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The War Zone obtained the eight hazard reports, all of which are marked "Unclassified" and "For Official Use Only," via a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to the Naval Safety Center. Seven of them involve F/A-18E/F Super Hornets and occurred at various times between 2013 and 2014 in a patch of airspace off the coast of Virginia and North Carolina known as the W-72 warning area. The eighth incidents took place in 2019 and involved an EA-18G Growler flying in a different portion of the Atlantic Ocean off the coast of Maryland called the W-386 warning area.
Neither the Super Hornet nor NAS Oceana recorded a radar track of the object. Commander, Strike Fighter Wing Atlantic, abbreviated in the report CSFWL, "contacted operating units but no one reported operations of this nature." Fleet Area Control and Surveillance Facility, Virginia Capes (FASCFAC VACAPES) "reviewed radar tapes and no aircraft was indentified [sic] or noted in the area."
"The aircraft had an approximately 5-foot wingspan and was colored white with no other distinguishable features," according to the pilot who was able to visually acquire the object and tracked it for an hour.
This report says that the Navy concluded that this object was an unmanned aerial system (UAS), but that Commander, Strike Fighter Wing Atlantic and Fleet Area Control and Surveillance Facility, Virginia Capes (FASCFAC VACAPES), the latter of which is also identified here by its callsign Giant Killer, was not able to ascertain the operator.
this report notes that "surface traffic was light with only a single stationary commercial fishing trawler and a single unidentified US Naval vessel traveling south" during the incident, but that "the identity of the Naval vessel in the vicinity was undetermined."
"The unknown aircraft appeared to be small in size, approximately the size of a suitcase, and silver in color," according to the report. The pilot was only able to pass within 1,000 feet of it and could not identify it. After that pass, they lost sight of it and never regained visual contact.
This report notes that Fleet Area Control and Surveillance Facility, Virginia Capes (FASCFAC VACAPES) again did not spot this object on its radar screens.
The crew initially detected two UADs on radar, one at 12,000 feet and another at 15,000 feet, both apparently stationary or near-stationary at 0.0 Mach. They then confirmed both of these objects using the jet's Advanced Targeting Forward Looking Infrared (ATFLIR) system.
While investigating the first pair of UADs, another two appeared to pass through the ATFLIR field of vision at high-speed. The two moving objects did not appear on the aircraft's radar.
In addition, the VFA-11 commander noted that this was the second instance in 10 months that one of the aircraft's squadron had had such an encounter.
On Apr. 24, 2014, within a day of the F/A-18F Super Hornet from Strike Fighter Squadron 11 (VFA-11) having its encounter with four "unidentified aerial devices" (UAD), two more F/A-18Fs made radar contact with another UAD in the W-72 warning area while conducting Basic Fighter Maneuvering (BFM aka dogfighting) out of Naval Air Station Oceana. Both aircraft were able to maintain a radar track with the object, which was stationary or near-stationary at 0.0 Mach at 11,000 feet. The aircraft were also able to lock onto the object with their CATM-9Xs, a captive-carry training version of the AIM-9X Sidewinder missile.
On Apr. 27, 2014, for the third time in five days, the crew of a F/A-18F from Strike Fighter Squadron 11 (VFA-11), flying out of NAS Ocean and operating in the W-72 warning area, reported encountering an unknown aerial device. This report is the most spartan in its details of the three, but describes a "near mid-air collision with balloon like object."
This is a notably more serious report than the other two from April 2014. It is also the first to give any kind of substantive description of the object, one that would match up with the two previous reports of stationary or near-stationary UADs at high-altitude in the W-72 warning area.
On Feb. 13, 2019, nearly five years after the last recorded encounter with an unidentified object in the Naval Safety Center's databases, the crew of an EA-18G Growler electronic warfare aircraft from Air Test and Evaluation Squadron 23 (VX-23), flying out Naval Air Station Patuxent River in Maryland and conducting activities in the W-386 warning area, visually spotted what they specifically described as "a red weather balloon" at 27,000 feet.
Neither Fleet Area Control and Surveillance Facility, Virginia Capes (FASCFAC VACAPES), again referred to by its callsign Giant Killer, nor the Echo Control team responsible for overseeing operations in the Atlantic Test Ranges off the coast, were aware of any scheduled balloon activity.
In addition, The War Zone obtained a copy of a report of another incident involving an F/A-18E Super Hornet from Strike Fighter Squadron 106 (VFA-106) that occurred on March 13, 2018:
originally posted by: Shadys321
Very well-put together & detailed posting. Thank you
These type threads are what I most enjoy here on ATS.
The end, where the pilot stated the drones were scattered over 40-50 miles with the closest one to the boat being 15 miles away from it- leads me to believe the boat had nothing to do with them, unless they were military drones or black ops of some kind. Also- the fact most were observed stationary or drifting in the wind makes me wonder what they are. I know you wrote you don’t believe them to be of external origin- but it’s probably what we’d do to another found-civilization in the cosmos. Heck- we do it to ourselves in the form of satellites for National Security, weather, mapping, etc.
Sometimes I wonder if we, as a planet, are comparable to an ant farm. We generally don’t go live and intertwine with inferior species, and teach them physics etc. I am sure there is also a counter argument to be made but still..
Just makes me think
Thank you again for this thread.
originally posted by: grey580
First thing that comes to mind.
What if it's a submarine launched drone of russian origin? Either tube launched or launched from the aft?
originally posted by: grey580
First thing that comes to mind.
What if it's a submarine launched drone of russian origin? Either tube launched or launched from the aft?
originally posted by: schuyler
originally posted by: grey580
First thing that comes to mind.
What if it's a submarine launched drone of russian origin? Either tube launched or launched from the aft?
That can travel from 28,000 feet to the surface of the water in less than a second? Not likely. The people (not you) who claim this is a bird are doing UFOlogy a disservice. They are not really paying attention here.
1. Several trained F/A-18 pilots physically observed the tic-tacs. They have several thousand hours of flight time each. Fravor's flight had 4 pilots who saw the craft. The subsequent flight that actually took the FLIR pictures had an additional four pilots. Plus there was the "adversary" pilot who first reported the tic tacs to the Princeton. That's TEN pilots on this one incident alone. And you think they saw a "bird"? How can you even say that with a straight face?
2. Radar from the Princeton picked up these objects and tracked their phenomenal speed independent of the pilots.
3. Radar from the in-flight Hawkeye radar observation plane tracked the same objects independently of the pilots and the Princeton. (Hawkeyes are propeller driven craft with the huge radar dome on top used to control flight operations.)
4. The FLIR system tracked and took pictures of these objects in flight.
5. After analyzing all the data, much of which we don't even know about, The US Navy has said, "We don't now what these are."
And yet people who were not there, have no idea how US Navy systems work, can proclaim from their armchairs that these were "birds." No nation on Earth has the technology to move an object from 28,000 feet to zero in .78 seconds. Nobody is saying "It's aliens," but it sure as hell wasn't birds.
Yes, if you are comparing a spear to a rifle. They look similar, but their capabilities are generations apart. Both are long and slender, but one has advanced technology, and the other does not.
Any of these reports can be explained with hobby grade equipment.