Out of Germany ALL Had Cancer, Lung Disease, Were Heavy Smokers or Morbidly Obese

Full Title is : Should Be a Headline: German Autopsy Study Finds EVERY Coronavirus Victim had Previous Illness — All Had Cancer, Lung Disease, Were Heavy Smokers or Morbidly Obese

Short article but if totally true then, "What is one to think ?"

Regardless of the article the way the USA's system of reporting COVID-19 is nothing but a money maker for the hospitals as they are paid for every listed COVID-19 patient. $39,000 if they use a ventilator even for a short time. Strong incentive to label everyone COVID-19

The Gateway Pundit was first to report back on March 16, 2020, that the WHO was pushing a completely inaccurate coronavirus mortality rate to frighten the masses.

The WHO Director, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, estimated on March 3, 2020 that the coronavirus mortality rate was 3.4% This was a completely inaccurate number that caused a global panic.

Now a new study from Germany found that every single death was someone who had cancer, lung disease, was a heavy smoker or morbidly obese.

www.thegatewaypundit.com... r-morbidly-obese/

a reply to: 727Sky

Regardless of the article the way the USA's system of reporting COVID-19 is nothing but a money maker for the hospitals as they are paid for every listed COVID-19 patient. $39,000 if they use a ventilator even for a short time. Strong incentive to label everyone COVID-19

True. A larger number simply causes more fear, generates more income, and they know that and abuse it. It's not surprising to see that most people who died were old and had other health issues. It's confirmed now that the COVID-19 death toll is less than what we're shown and yet the other side pushes for 'a new normal' and wants to extend the lockdown.

Provisional Death Counts of Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), Pneumonia, or Influenza by week, United States. Week ending 2/1/2020 to 4/11/2020

Source

a reply to: 727Sky

Elon Musk on Joe Rogan last week said he doesn't fault hospitals for embellishing cases. What are they suppose to do when they were instructed prepare for the worst. They are a business and need cash flow. He also stated shutting down the economy is causing more deaths than the virus.

I agree with him on both points. The economy should have never been powered down. It's causing more serious problems. Should have accepted elderly, sick and obese are very vulnerable and carried on. What we have now is political retribution, fraud, wasted tax dollars, rise in crime, preventive medicine put on hold, increase in suicide, drug and alcohol abuse and trampling on constitutional rights. If healthy people want to assume risks let them. Warn others but this was the wrong coarse of action.

originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
a reply to: 727Sky

Elon Musk on Joe Rogan last week said he doesn't fault hospitals for embellishing cases. What are they suppose to do when they were instructed prepare for the worst. They are a business and need cash flow. He also stated shutting down the economy is causing more deaths than the virus.

I agree with him on both points. The economy should have never been powered down. It's causing more serious problems. Should have accepted elderly, sick and obese are very vulnerable and carried on. What we have now is political retribution, fraud, wasted tax dollars, rise in crime, preventive medicine put on hold, increase in suicide, drug and alcohol abuse and trampling on constitutional rights. If healthy people want to assume risks let them. Warn others but this was the wrong coarse of action.

That's about right for you guys.

Interesting, pretty much all of the rest of the western world bar the americas have implemented some blend of socialism and capitalism and are faring far better than the U.S in this debacle.

Im not having a dig at you it's just become painfully obvious to me why so many Americans are losing it over this virus, the simple fact is there are no safety nets for the population at large, the wealthy are fine but everyone else is being right royally #ed up the ass.

Not good.

Wait..

If a person requires a ventilator, it is required. No questions asked, because anyone here being an ICU nurse or qualified doctor: put your hands up in the air to be seen.

None of us.

Okay, now we have the numbers (of Hamburg only, not all of Germany, but that is an error we can ignore right now) of people who died WHILE being under the virus - how many died BECAUSE of the virus? No one knows, at least for sure.

And that does not matter!

Because those people would not have died RIGHT NOW without the virus.

Stop moving goalposts, the dead people are blocking that. They stay dead, and the numbers of ventilators and the numbers of dead people who could still live without Covid-19 are valid.

All links in german, please use a translator.

Hamburg: Corona dead all with previous illnesses
Date:
04/21/2020 11:11 PM
Autopsies of 65 corona patients by the Hamburg medical examiner Klaus Püschel have shown that all had previous illnesses.
Link

Doubts about Corona case numbers
Does the RKI want to prevent autopsies?
Link

Btw, that Robert Koch Institute

And we shouldn´t forget that the RKI is state owned and bound by instructions, it´s a 100% tool of the politicians. We shouldn´t forget the role of the RKI and it´s Dr Drosten in the swine-flu paranoia which led Germany to buy useless and harmful vaccines for 400 Millions Euros. Funny fact, the poilticians bought an allegedly better vaccine for themselves and it was useless and harmful too.

May 17, 2010, 8:57 p.m.
Swine flu
"The wave has started"

The head of the Institute of Virology at the University Clinic Bonn, Prof. Christian Drosten, said there was a drastic increase in the number of diseases in southern Germany. He assumes that the wave will travel from Germany to the south in a period of five to six weeks.

According to RKI figures, almost 7,500 cases have been registered in Bavaria alone since the pandemic broke out in April. Two people died of the infection in the Free State.

Drosten urged to be vaccinated against swine flu. "The condition is a serious general viral infection that has much more serious side effects than anyone can imagine from the worst vaccine."
Link

They even used the same trigger words, "The wave is coming". Current use is "The Second Wave will come if you don´t obey and wait for a vaccine and get a shot".

And TPTB don´t have any idea how it comes to "conspiracy theories"? If you watch TV news or read newspapers since a few days, all propaganda cannons are loaded with "conspiracy theory" ammunition and fired at everybody who thinks by himself and starts to question things that need to be answered. We had a lot of protests over the last few days here, all of them frequented by all kinds of peoples which protested for our rights, for our Grundgesetz. You had families, young people, old people, people with all kinds of political views.

And for sure some of those "conspiracy" idiots which come from Facebook and all that social media crap, which are just parroting their social media "conspiracy" heroes but don´t know that there is even a whole internet outside of their social media bubbles to debunk most of their social media "conspiracy theories". Many of them are rightwingers, flat earthers and such idiots. Reason enough for TPTB´s mass media to apply one standard to all protesters, all of them are now rightwingers, silly conspiracy theorists and for sure silly anti-vaxxers. If you don´t think like Granny Merkel and her henchmen, you belong to one of the three idiot groups above, it can´t be that people ask the right question. So they lump all protesters together to discredit the people who aren´t just "silly conspiracy theorists" but raise serious questions which need to be answered by TPTB.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
a reply to: 727Sky

Elon Musk on Joe Rogan last week said he doesn't fault hospitals for embellishing cases. What are they suppose to do when they were instructed prepare for the worst. They are a business and need cash flow. He also stated shutting down the economy is causing more deaths than the virus.

I agree with him on both points. The economy should have never been powered down. It's causing more serious problems. Should have accepted elderly, sick and obese are very vulnerable and carried on. What we have now is political retribution, fraud, wasted tax dollars, rise in crime, preventive medicine put on hold, increase in suicide, drug and alcohol abuse and trampling on constitutional rights. If healthy people want to assume risks let them. Warn others but this was the wrong coarse of action.

That's about right for you guys.

Interesting, pretty much all of the rest of the western world bar the americas have implemented some blend of socialism and capitalism and are faring far better than the U.S in this debacle.

Im not having a dig at you it's just become painfully obvious to me why so many Americans are losing it over this virus, the simple fact is there are no safety nets for the population at large, the wealthy are fine but everyone else is being right royally #ed up the ass.

Not good.

I assume though that there are not people dying in the streets in America because they dont have any health insurance, I mean, there is a safety net right?

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
a reply to: 727Sky

Elon Musk on Joe Rogan last week said he doesn't fault hospitals for embellishing cases. What are they suppose to do when they were instructed prepare for the worst. They are a business and need cash flow. He also stated shutting down the economy is causing more deaths than the virus.

I agree with him on both points. The economy should have never been powered down. It's causing more serious problems. Should have accepted elderly, sick and obese are very vulnerable and carried on. What we have now is political retribution, fraud, wasted tax dollars, rise in crime, preventive medicine put on hold, increase in suicide, drug and alcohol abuse and trampling on constitutional rights. If healthy people want to assume risks let them. Warn others but this was the wrong coarse of action.

That's about right for you guys.

Interesting, pretty much all of the rest of the western world bar the americas have implemented some blend of socialism and capitalism and are faring far better than the U.S in this debacle.

Im not having a dig at you it's just become painfully obvious to me why so many Americans are losing it over this virus, the simple fact is there are no safety nets for the population at large, the wealthy are fine but everyone else is being right royally #ed up the ass.

Not good.

I live in one of the largest cities in the US. Our economy did not entirely shutdown. We are not quarantined, many businesses are still open and no law was enforced having to wear a mask so not true that all of America reacted the same way. Most cities in America did not overreact. It was mainly staunch liberal cities that had severe economic problems even before the virus. They want to get their hands on large bags of tax dollars to bail them out of decades of mismanagement. Best way to do that is pull every fire alarm, set off every home and car alarm and hide under their kitchen tables and wait for the money.

originally posted by: Forensick

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
a reply to: 727Sky

Elon Musk on Joe Rogan last week said he doesn't fault hospitals for embellishing cases. What are they suppose to do when they were instructed prepare for the worst. They are a business and need cash flow. He also stated shutting down the economy is causing more deaths than the virus.

I agree with him on both points. The economy should have never been powered down. It's causing more serious problems. Should have accepted elderly, sick and obese are very vulnerable and carried on. What we have now is political retribution, fraud, wasted tax dollars, rise in crime, preventive medicine put on hold, increase in suicide, drug and alcohol abuse and trampling on constitutional rights. If healthy people want to assume risks let them. Warn others but this was the wrong coarse of action.

That's about right for you guys.

Interesting, pretty much all of the rest of the western world bar the americas have implemented some blend of socialism and capitalism and are faring far better than the U.S in this debacle.

Im not having a dig at you it's just become painfully obvious to me why so many Americans are losing it over this virus, the simple fact is there are no safety nets for the population at large, the wealthy are fine but everyone else is being right royally #ed up the ass.

Not good.

I assume though that there are not people dying in the streets in America because they dont have any health insurance, I mean, there is a safety net right?

Surely there is, perhaps someone can better explain.

www.thegatewaypundit.com...

Frontline COVID-19 doctors this week have gone public saying they feel pressured to show COVID-19 as cause-of-death on certificates of patients suspected of having the virus when they also have had underlying medical conditions.

Dr. Jonathan Fishbein, a clinical researcher, says the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Disease and the World Health Organization have issued “vague if not misguided recommendations that unfortunately have been adopted by national, state and local leaders.”

“It is absolutely critical that we have accurate data to support decision-makers,” he also told Just the News. “If the data in our assessments included patients who have not definitively tested positive for COVID-19, that provides misleading information to policy-makers…

…It is unusual when there is a new disease and a patient dies and the cause of their death may be their underlying condition like diabetes or congestive heart failure and the doctors are pressured to report the cause of death as COVID-19 instead.

Such reporting could result in inaccurately inflating the number of virus-related deaths and hurt those drafting public health policy for future pandemics or epidemics.

a reply to: ManFromEurope
Hand up here. ICU in NY. We weren't hit hard in our corner of the state, but "If a person requires a ventilator, it is required." is absolutely unequivocally incorrect. You would be surprised how many patients get intubated for reasons other than "it is required".

There have been cases of all ages and all levels of health that have died.
Article is not 100% accurate.

originally posted by: musicismagic
There have been cases of all ages and all levels of health that have died.
Article is not 100% accurate.

It's a pandemic. There will be cases of almost every age, height, weight and race dying of it. Kinda how a pandemic works.

Viruses, infection, MRSA however need weak immune systems to kill. It rarely kills anyone relatively healthy which for whatever reason people are just figuring out. Now that people with a low IQ know how it works the narrative in NY has switched to children and babies. See, look over here. Children and babies dying....run for your lives.

originally posted by: Stupidsecrets

originally posted by: musicismagic
There have been cases of all ages and all levels of health that have died.
Article is not 100% accurate.

It's a pandemic. There will be cases of almost every age, height, weight and race dying of it. Kinda how a pandemic works.

Viruses, infection, MRSA however need weak immune systems to kill. It rarely kills anyone relatively healthy which for whatever reason people are just figuring out. Now that people with a low IQ know how it works the narrative in NY has switched to children and babies. See, look over here. Children and babies dying....run for your lives.

Yep! And instead saying it is Kawasaki Disease, they have to bring in the virus to make it headlines. Funny how it goes from one coast to another overnight. By the way, here we have not reported any children with Kawasaki/corona virus connections yet.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
pretty much all of the rest of the western world bar the americas have implemented some blend of socialism and capitalism and are faring far better than the U.S in this debacle.

You can repeat that nonsense all you like, doesn't make it anything other than the nonsense that it is.

Im not having a dig at you it's just become painfully obvious to me why so many Americans are losing it over this virus,

We're not losing it over the virus, we're losing it over the insane fear-mongers who have forced the economy into the gutter because they're scared little girls.

the simple fact is there are no safety nets for the population at large,

There's plenty of safety nets. What there aren't are miracles that will save someone who is so extremely unhealthy that they will succomb to any old bug (virus or bacteria) that comes along.

the wealthy are fine but everyone else is being right royally #ed up the ass. Not good.

Depends on your definition of wealthy. Yes, tptb - those whose wealth is unearned, accumulated from the backs of the producers - are doing just fine. The real wealthy? Not so much...

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
Surely there is, perhaps someone can better explain.

No one can be denied life saving medical care because they don't have insurance or cannot pay.

Unlike in countries with socialized medicine - like India - where 'doctors' let my new-born son die, because they did not tell me they were withholding his life saving surgery because the bastards had not received full payment yet.

a reply to: 727Sky

It is, especially when hospitals were told to shut down every other patient because they were going to be flooded with coronavirus patients ... and it never happened.

They have staff to pay too.

a reply to: Stupidsecrets

Of course, Sweden makes that a lie because they never closed their schools down. If it was such a kid killer ... well, there would be lots and lots of little bodies in Sweden, and there aren't.

Why do you think my son is back in practice? Because Sweden's numbers show he's about as safe as anyone in all this being under 10 and healthy as a horse. He's young enough that he has a hard time getting it, ought to barely register he has it if he does get it, and will have a hard time passing it around if he does manage to get it.

a reply to: DerBeobachter

Spot on!

So they lump all protesters together to discredit the people who aren´t just "silly conspiracy theorists" but raise serious questions which need to be answered by TPTB.

With the parliament transferring it's power to our cray-cray minister, one might even argue they did this in order to distract from their own capitulation to "darker powers"...

www.heise.de...

originally posted by: Forensick

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
a reply to: 727Sky

Elon Musk on Joe Rogan last week said he doesn't fault hospitals for embellishing cases. What are they suppose to do when they were instructed prepare for the worst. They are a business and need cash flow. He also stated shutting down the economy is causing more deaths than the virus.

I agree with him on both points. The economy should have never been powered down. It's causing more serious problems. Should have accepted elderly, sick and obese are very vulnerable and carried on. What we have now is political retribution, fraud, wasted tax dollars, rise in crime, preventive medicine put on hold, increase in suicide, drug and alcohol abuse and trampling on constitutional rights. If healthy people want to assume risks let them. Warn others but this was the wrong coarse of action.

That's about right for you guys.

Interesting, pretty much all of the rest of the western world bar the americas have implemented some blend of socialism and capitalism and are faring far better than the U.S in this debacle.

Im not having a dig at you it's just become painfully obvious to me why so many Americans are losing it over this virus, the simple fact is there are no safety nets for the population at large, the wealthy are fine but everyone else is being right royally #ed up the ass.

Not good.

I assume though that there are not people dying in the streets in America because they dont have any health insurance, I mean, there is a safety net right?

Yes, there is a safety net.

1. No one can be denied emergency care. That is a law.

2. There are health programs for the poor. At this point, if you do not have health insurance, it's because you make too much money to qualify meaning you could have insurance. The biggest issue with our system is insurance became an expected perk of employment, so people can realize gaps when they are between jobs. It can also be a steep toll to pay for your premium depending on what insurance your job offers. Some decide they are young and healthy and won't need it, so they'd rather not pay and then get hit with a large bill. They're the ones you usually hear about being bankrupted by health care costs. I know someone like that. Having a chronic condition myself; I've never had the luxury of even being tempted to think paying a premium might be just an option and not a necessary responsibility in life.

3. During the last administration, they supposedly "fixed" all this with a program that in reality made insurance mandatory but then made the policies insanely expensive while simultaneously stripping most of their ready utility out of them. Now, when you hear about people being bankrupted by bills, they may also be on these Obamacare policies which demand a really high monthly premium *and* couple it with a high deductible (the amount you pay out of pocket before your insurance pays anything). Ironically, these are the same people who now want to vote for another administration of the same party to let them once again "fix" our health care because the same party made it such a mess the last time.

tl;dr version:

Yes, we have Medicaid which is a government run insurance program for the poor. If you simply don't make enough to have insurance, the government covers you like you have socialized medicine basically. There is also a similar type program for the retired called Medicare, and the military have Tricare.

Additionally, most states have their own versions and supplemental programs. There is also ChiP which is a program exclusively for children to see to their medical needs.