China tries to calm ‘nationalist fever’ as calls for invasion of Taiwan grow

I can understand the hawkish military mind thinking now is the time to strike if we were still in a post WW2 scenario but this is not the 1950s.

Taiwan has been preparing for an invasion since they first moved to the island and even though China could basically wipe the inhabitants clean off the island it would be costly both in prestige and military hardware. Such an action would give the PLA a rock devoid of infrastructure and people around the world would condemn the slaughter.. Wouldn't be the first time they were condemned but the world seems to have a short memory when money is involved.

What the USA and her allies would play in all this really is a question IMO.

Loud calls on social media urge Beijing to strike while world is busy with coronavirus crisis, but observers say the authorities do not want to be rushed
A recent article in an influential Communist Party journal drew on parallels with the 17th century conquest of the island to highlight need for patience

Recently a number of commentators and retired military commanders have called for Beijing to retake control of the island, where the defeated Nationalist forces fled in 1949 following their defeat in the civil war.

Some former military leaders have argued that the United States – which is bound by law to help the Taiwanese government defend itself – is presently unable to do so because all four of its aircraft carriers in the Pacific have been affected by the Covid-19 outbreak.

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a reply to: 727Sky

I can hear troll farms typing noxious political idioms and faux resentment. The frothing and gnashing of AI and a fearful, bewildered, sick, and paranoid populace of mostly honest Chinese people under the droning eye and well-leathered boots of the CCP is what we are “hearing”...

I fixed it....You’re welcome.

this what I figured would start the most global fundamental hassle we talk about here

they'll call it the big one...

a reply to: 727Sky

What do these idiots think they will gain by invading Taiwan?

Is there anything of massive value on the island?

What will it cost them to take it.... War with the West?

After they are left in smoking ruins and the world has even less trust for them, how is that going to work out for them going forward?

At this point, the only "power" moves china has left are those that would toss them into the fan as the "baddies".

That's not really their problem though, it's that they probably don't have the restraint and the knowledge to know when to stop making moves.

The best thing they could do now, is "regress" and pull back their expanse and just shore up their existing issues within their country. But they are falling prey to the "numbers" the demand for percentages from a fiscal and national standpoint. They are almost forced to "keep going forward" out of expectation from those that want more.

They are moving themselves right into a no win situation out of unrealistic expectation.

They are about to set themselves back a few hundred years and the good news is that most people won't shed a tear for them.

Another huge problem for world peace China taking Tawain against its will.

China is really feeling its cheerios lately. Now they want to take Mt Everest away from the poor country of Nepal whose only income practically comes from mountain climbing. As well, they're having a little border skirmish with India.

Chinese Media Post On Mount Everest Sparks Twitter Fight With Nepal
www.ndtv.com...

Indian, Chinese Border Troops in Brief Skirmish on Northeast Indian Border, India Says
www.nytimes.com...


The Tawain thing would be a disaster but unfortunately, it's inevitable, and what will the world do?...nothing, the CCP will take it.

China won't do anything now since it would be too controversial in a time China is already under a suspicious microscope due to COVID 19.

originally posted by: Willtell
Another huge problem for world peace China taking Tawain against its will.

China is really feeling its cheerios lately. Now they want to take Mt Everest away from the poor country of Nepal whose only income practically comes from mountain climbing. As well, they're having a little border skirmish with India.

Chinese Media Post On Mount Everest Sparks Twitter Fight With Nepal
www.ndtv.com...

Indian, Chinese Border Troops in Brief Skirmish on Northeast Indian Border, India Says
www.nytimes.com...


The Tawain thing would be a disaster but unfortunately, it's inevitable, and what will the world do?...nothing, the CCP will take it.

China won't do anything now since it would be too controversial in a time China is already under a suspicious microscope due to COVID 19.

The only good that's come from the world giving china it's economy on a platter over the last decade(s) is that we can use that as a precursor(or exemption) from any sort of actual physical conflict.

Draining them of international manufacturing money alone would devastate them, the only downside is that by taking away all that which fuels them, it might trigger them into an actual physical conflict out of sheer desperation.

Now, I believe they would lose that without a doubt, but man it would be devastating, especially to the region. They surely won't go quietly into the night when all that money rushes out of their pockets.

a reply to: 727Sky

Is the current situation
not a test question of our resolve?

Will we respond : 1. Politically
2.Economically
3. Militarily

Six months from now,maybe a year,
you will realize that this was
a Chimera Bioweapon.

"Accidentally on Purpose" S&F
SAVVY ?

I don't think China will attempt a military invasion of the Republic of China (Taiwan) yet. China’s current and future plans revolve around a Fifth Column to destabilise and subvert Taiwan from within, coupled with the intimidation and isolation of Taiwan by buying-off countries.

China has already started the process asserting their ridiculous claim to the entire South China Sea which is bordered by Taiwan and the Taiwan Strait.

China could also (which is most likely) decide to take some of the smaller islands belonging to Taiwan, such as the Pescadores archipelago of the Kinmen Island which is close to China.

China just need to engineer some excuse to overrun these places, and as Russia has shown with Ukraine, they will get away with it.

In all honesty, if China went for the military option and Taiwan was reinforced by US/Western military assets then the outcome would be stalemate. What other countries would move to support Taiwan defensively would be an interesting consideration, but the US would be one of them.

China plays the long game and I think western minds sometimes overlay short term gain into predictions that won't fit long-term goals very well.

We in west see a weakness in US carriers and say exploit it - but what then? Major war? Become pariah nation? Have economy dump? Suffer revolution? See its all downside results to move on short term.

The Chinese have with Corona virus suffered a fairly long delay in plans via economic disruption that surely they exported along with virus to make easier catch up when time comes.

Again long term plan rather than rash action with no upside.

This makes them more not less dangerous to deal with.

West needs to completely decouple from China and stay that way or it will purchase it's own end.

LMAO - all four carriers have been affected by Covid-19!

Look as bad as it might be, the vast majority of Covid-19 patients suffer mild symptoms with the younger and healthier more likely to recover quickly.

There are not four carriers in the South China Sea.

As nasty as flu and i am sure Covid is, if we went to fight a war, "sir I have the flu and cant fight" will be met with either fight with the flu or get shot for being a coward.

Whilst we dont shoot cowards anymore, our soldiers dont quit unless they are bedridden.

originally posted by: Willtell
Another huge problem for world peace China taking Tawain against its will.

China is really feeling its cheerios lately. Now they want to take Mt Everest away from the poor country of Nepal whose only income practically comes from mountain climbing. As well, they're having a little border skirmish with India.

Chinese Media Post On Mount Everest Sparks Twitter Fight With Nepal
www.ndtv.com...

Indian, Chinese Border Troops in Brief Skirmish on Northeast Indian Border, India Says
www.nytimes.com...


The Tawain thing would be a disaster but unfortunately, it's inevitable, and what will the world do?...nothing, the CCP will take it.

China won't do anything now since it would be too controversial in a time China is already under a suspicious microscope due to COVID 19.

China has territorial claims with seemingly every nation it shares a border with. And that’s not including all the nations bordering the South China Sea and East China Sea. China and Russia are the only nations in the world still eager to acquire new territory, and subjects who don’t wish to be their subjects.

Russia had better wake up and realize the United States is not its main existential threat. China thinks the sparsely populated Russian Far East directly to its north, along with its vast natural resources, should be part of the Middle Kingdom. There’s almost certainly some myth or story about a Chinese explorer who ventured there long before any Russian, thereby justifying China’s ownership.

The annihilation of Communist China would suit those who have global depopulation goals, global man made climate change goals, global anti-pollution goals, anti-globalisation goals, anti-disease spreading goals (more than just COVID-19) anti-communist goals and anti-tyranny goals.

All this would sound quite appealling to billions of people throughout the world. Communist China better watch out. It might just get the Balkanisation treatment at first, but things could heat up quite quickly.

I refuse to believe that China is overwhelmed by 'Nationalist Fever' over Taiwan.

if there is any 'fever' its been manufactured by the communist government and their puppets in the media.

normal people just want to live their lives and pay their bills and raise their children. their politburo elites are the ones laying awake at night thinking about Taiwan. move on already.

that government is not a nice entity.

a reply to: ElGoobero

Thank you!

Just a few months ago we saw the video of the guy getting grilled because he posted something negative about the police. He was petrified and trying to apologize so he and his family wouldn't end up in prison.

Now we're supposed to believe that the Chinese government is worried that the Chinese people want to invade Taiwan? Right ...

a reply to: infolurker

CCP's feelings.

This has been coming for a long, long time. China just destroyed our economy. It’s time to kick ass and take names. I say we observe all of the mutual defense treaty’s that we have with our friends in the South China Sea. If we let China take Taiwan they will be in Hawaii next.

Nothing like a little war to take everyone’s mind off things

originally posted by: ElGoobero
I refuse to believe that China is overwhelmed by 'Nationalist Fever' over Taiwan.

The Chinese Communist Party have turned the Chinese population into robots through decades of repression and state control. They can turn nationalism on and off at the whim of some state propagandist. A couple of years ago they were pushing quite a bit of anti-Japanese sentiment and the South China Sea belongs to China myth.

a reply to: infolurker

prestige and their concept of honor ,plus if it ever kicks of between the west and china taiwan is key to containing them in the pacific

www.piie.com...

170CHINA’S RISEWhy Does China Care about Taiwan?To most Chinese, Taiwan represents something far more important thanmere territory. It is the final piece in China’s attempts to overcome thelegacy of its “century of humiliation” spanning the 19th and early 20thcenturies, when it was colonized and divided by outside powers. Japanhad colonized Taiwan in 1895 as a spoil of the Sino-Japanese War and re-linquished control only after its defeat in World War II. The return of Taiwan is also wrapped up in China’s traditional measureof national power and self-respect dating back to its imperial days: its“unity.” Affirmed through consistent official—government, media, andeducational—propaganda for decades, Taiwan’s status as a part of historicChina, and as a lingering symbol of China’s historic victimhood, is an un-questionable article of faith and self-evident truth that resonates deeplywith an overwhelming number of Chinese citizens, even among those theoutside world might consider the most reformist or progressive on issueslike human rights and democracy. For Chinese citizens to think otherwise,or even to raise questions about prevailing opinion toward Taiwan’s sta-tus (and even official Chinese policy), threatens to call into question theirlove of the “motherland” and thus their patriotism. Few assume this pos-ture in today’s China. This was not always so. Before the Ming dynasty (1368–1644 AD), theisland had little association with mainland China. The Portuguese and theDutch colonized Taiwan during the 16th and 17th centuries, respectively,and only under the Qing (1644–1911 AD) was the island retained forcefullyas a protectorate.2During Qing rule, native uprisings were common, andcentral control inconsistent and tenuous. Taiwan thus has had a murkystatus historically and a legacy of local resistance to Chinese rule. While both the Chinese communists under Mao Zedong and the Na-tionalists (Kuomintang) under Chiang Kai-shek eventually came to assertthat Taiwan is part of China, neither side mentioned or focused on theissue until World War II when Taiwan became a potential spoil of warupon the defeat of Japan, which had colonized the island in 1895, and thewaning days of the Chinese civil war in the late 1940s.3After Chiang’s Na-tionalists were defeated in the Chinese civil war and fled to the island in1949, they continued to assert their “Republic of China” regime remainedthe rightful government of all of China, just from offshore in the tempo-rary capital of Taipei. The communists for their part viewed Taiwan as thefinal stage of the civil war and came to consider restoration of the coun-try’s unity—also to include Hong Kong and Macao—as essential for theregime’s legitimacy.

interesting pdf

www.aei.org... this talks about more recent times but i do not think they are remotely ready to take Taiwan and it would be extra unwise to attempt such a thing under trump as he is wildly unpredictable ,to use an analogy from history its like how cuba was during the cold war and part of the reason we haven't just given them nukes even though they have tried in the past repeatedly to get them