Has Trump seen the Wuhan evidence

Anyone who’s worked in the intelligence community knows that protecting your source is paramount. The name of the game is to sanitise the raw intell in order for the operators on the ground to fill intell gaps and then try and turn the intell into evidence.
Certainly in the UK the raw intelligence is never disclosed to anyone outside a very close circle of people however I’m sure in times of tension senior leaders i.e. politicians are briefed and given access to the raw material.
I would imagine the US intelligence chiefs have their heads in their hands at the moment having the POTUS blurt out yes he’s seen the evidence (intelligence).

a reply to: redchad

I would imagine the US intelligence chiefs have their heads in their hands at the moment having the POTUS blurt out yes he’s seen the evidence (intelligence).

I suspect no more then usual with this president.

The Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the U.S. agency responsible for overseeing the sprawling U.S. intelligence network, said on Thursday that it sees the coronavirus as a natural phenomenon. “The Intelligence Community … concurs with the wide scientific consensus that the COVID-19 virus was not manmade or genetically modified,” it said in a statement on Thursday.
foreignpolicy.com...

The science from those who have looked at it is that Corona is natural so his non scientific evidence likely comes from Secretary of idiocy Mike Pompeo not the intelligence community.

a reply to: gortex
The intelligence community will deny anything until it’s been fully provenanced and turned into actionable intelligence to dangerous otherwise.

a reply to: redchad

Doesn't mean the president has seen evidence to the contrary , Corona virus has been examined and scientific opinion is that it is not the result of genetic modification but it is a natural occurring virus.

Sometimes I think he plays the purposeful bean spiller.... whoopsie that slipped out. Other times he is purposely grossly obtuse. If he saw anything of note.. youll be able to tell soon enough. He's definitely gunning for the CCP though...


ANyway, you wont know anything until all the ducks are in a row..and the proof it pat. Until then.. youll get nothing of consequence.

a reply to: gortex

you're convinced of your conclusion the same way people who believe it originated from a lab were convinced.

Havn't we all seen enough evidence to point to the wuhan lab. The fact that it was genetically engineered from 3 different viruses including sars and HIV has caused many scientist to speak out. Not that you will hear from them in mass media. Sure the media wants to continue the narrative that it wasn't, but that will only last until some of the first multinational lawsuits get settled. China has allready refused the WHO's offer to take part in the international investigation into the origin of the virus.

It started in their labs back yard, and anyone looking into that lab is censured and demonized by the ccp. Patient zero came from their lab and no one has heard from the bat ladey they removed all record of from their website from the same lab since the first reports of a viral outbreak hit the international press. Many in China are still looking for her.

The Chineese lab that first shared the genome with the international community was even punished by the ccp for doing so, and all scientific papers discussing wuflu in China must now go through the ccp before publication or peer review. Do you realy need the same intelligence agencies that spied on multiple presidential campaigns for political purposes to tell you something stinks in wuhan and it ain't the meat market.

Who killed seth rich with an FBI hand gun?

You did know it was an FBI hand gun didn't you? Ya, taken out of an unmarked car if you believe the story being sold to you by the fbi, because what agent in the feild doesn't leave their sidearm in the car unattended?

Seth was still alive when his attending physicians were told to leave the room by DC metro police too, but you never hear about that part either, but you know Russia hacked the dnc cause crowdstrike says so and our Intel agencies agreed without ever taking a look. You do know no one other than crowdstrike has seen the servers except for a file the handed over to the FBI on their good word it was an image of the server and had in no way been tampered with. According to many experts including former Intel agents the meta data of the original file transfer shows download speeds matching a physical transfer not an international hack.

Still those $100,000 in face book adds placed by Russians certainly changed the outcome of an election that had cost both parties 100's of millions in marketing.

Certainly our intelligence community didn't spend most of the past 3 years trying to oust a sitting president over bogus Intel collected by a foreign agent under contract from the dnc.

You know ats is a conspiracy website right? Something tells me you will have a hard time finding anyone to give two spitts what our alphabet agencies say publicly about anything. The only shills on here who are buying what the media and Intel agencies are selling on here are paid trolls, provocateurs, and brain dead npc's with TDS who would agree with anyone saying the sky was red as long as trump says it is blue.

a reply to: odzeandennz

you're convinced of your conclusion the same way people who believe it originated from a lab were convinced

My conclusion is informed by scientific evidence , there is no evidence it originated from a lab.

a reply to: gortex

Ya not like the very scientist that discovered HIV caused aids back in the 80's and won a Nobel prize for his work says it is 100% absolutly engineered in a lab he coauthored a paper stating as much and published it for peer review, but you know those crazy Nobel laureate scientists, just throwing wild speculation out in public for per review with their name on it on a whim. Right? Do you need a link or are you just going to keep parroting NPC talking points fed to you by mass media?

www.theweek.in...

Your conclusion is based on what someone told you on some website.
Unless you are privy to first hand intel then your facts are merely opinions.


a reply to: gortex

originally posted by: lakenheath24
Your conclusion is based on what someone told you on some website.
Unless you are privy to first hand intel then your facts are merely opinions.


a reply to: gortex

If you say so.

The scientists found that the RBD portion of the SARS-CoV-2 spike proteins had evolved to effectively target a molecular feature on the outside of human cells called ACE2, a receptor involved in regulating blood pressure. While their analysis suggested that SARS-CoV-2 may bind human ACE2 with high affinity, computational analyses predict that the interaction is not ideal and that the RBD sequence is different from those shown in SARS-CoV to be optimal for receptor binding. This suggests that SARS-CoV-2 was the result of natural selection.

This evidence for natural evolution was supported by data on SARS-CoV-2’s backbone – its overall molecular structure. If someone were seeking to engineer a new coronavirus as a pathogen, they would have constructed it from the backbone of a virus known to cause illness. But the scientists found that the SARS-CoV-2 backbone differed substantially from those of already known coronaviruses and mostly resembled related viruses found in bats and pangolins.

“These two features of the virus, the mutations in the RBD portion of the spike protein and its distinct backbone, rules out laboratory manipulation as a potential origin for SARS-CoV-2” said Andersen.
www.scripps.edu...

a reply to: Stevenmonet

Do you need a link or are you just going to keep parroting NPC talking points fed to you by mass media?

Scientific evidence is not NPC talking points , it's scientific evidence.

a reply to: gortex

Since when does a virus need to be man made and or genetically engineered in order for it to come from a lab?

I'm sure the lab has a lot of natural viruses there for research.

Do not forget that the USA put a lot of money in that lab!

Why US outsourced bat virus research to Wuhan
US-funded $3.7 million project approved by Trump's Covid-19 guru Dr Anthony Fauci in 2015 after US ban imposed on 'monster-germ' research

Pointing with the finger to the lab in Wuhan to make China look like the culprit, to the lab that the USA supported itself with money to play whatever dirty games there, out of sight for the rest of the world for sure, feels as stupid as if the USA would try to charge Spain for the "spanish" flu.

Now the whole world knows that the USA has it´s fingers in that lab and with that in that obscure corona story. And makes the Event201 "conspiracy theory" look even more credible. How easy would it be for a three letter agent to set a bit of that virus free around that lab the own nation funded in parts? What is that US "but look at that chinese wuhan lab" move now, suicide in installments? Nobody on earth trusts the USA anymore, especially since that clown in chief Trump. But the almost complete world believes meanwhile that the USA is even worse and more evil than China, Russia and North Korea together. These attempts now to blame China (remember Trumps repeated "Chinese virus", remember what Goebbels said about propaganda and lies) makes most people believe the opposite of what the USA is trying to spin anyway. Knowing that US money was used to play dirty US games in that lab doesn´t make it better for the USA.

Silence is wiser than screaming around like a lunatic and desperately pointing the own dirty fingers to others while the problems at home grow like nowhere else on earth right now. Coincidence? What´s next, war as usual?

a reply to: More1ThanAny1

Since when does a virus need to be man made and or genetically engineered in order for it to come from a lab?

It doesn't but when a president who is known for being lax with the truth and who is at risk of losing his job because of his reaction to a virus points a finger at a lab and claims to have seen evidence of such that claim should be taken with a large pinch of salt.

I do say so. Trump never said it was man made or manipulated in the lab. He said it came from this lab, and was poorly handled and got out into public.

Your addition is speculation and misleading for the sole purpose of disparaging the president.





a reply to: gortex

a reply to: gortex

It doesn't but when a president who is known for being lax with the truth and who is at risk of losing his job because of his reaction to a virus points a finger at a lab and claims to have seen evidence of such that claim should be taken with a large pinch of salt.

Not the first time, and certainly not the last time he has made an idiot of himself. At the moment, there is no evidence this came from a lab.

a reply to: lakenheath24

I do say so. Trump never said it was man made or manipulated in the lab. He said it came from this lab, and was poorly handled and got out into public.

Trump is trying to shift focus away from his own inadequate response in order to try to save his election chances , that much is obvious to all but his loyal foot soldiers.

Your addition is speculation and misleading for the sole purpose of disparaging the president.

The science is clear anything else is speculation.

a reply to: More1ThanAny1

Remember that according to the experts:

JFK was shot by Lee Harvey Oswald who acted alone

Global warming which turned into climate change is man made because carbon dioxide is a better thermal insulator than water vapor and humans impact the climate more than solar activity.

WTC7 fell at near free fall speed almost perfectly into its own footprint due to office fires

Russia hacked the dnc

Seth rich was murdered by an unknown gangbanger in a botched robbery

Covid-19 is not man made and deffinatly did not come from the wuhan lab.

I'm sure I missed a few, but hopefully you get my point. If you need someone to tell you all of the above are outright lies, you are not thinking for yourself. You are a parrot parroting what you were told by someone in a position of authority, or you are something far worse.

a reply to: lakenheath24

Right but who in the typical American public are going to infer it that way?

They won’t. They will assume the virus was created in a Chinese lab and it got out so it’s all China’s fault.

When the evidence at the moment, the evidence that scientists have presented, shows it was not man-made or manipulated by man.

Sure, maybe it WAS in the Wuhan lab and perhaps it DID get out mistakenly. That doesn’t mean China are not responsible, I agree. But, there is a big difference between saying it came from a Chinese lab and inferring it was ‘manufactured’ in a Chinese lab.

And I reckon Donny Trumperton is being hazy on that so he can infer it to stir up anti-Chinese sentiment. My opinion, of course.

a reply to: gortex

That article makes a curious claim.

They are suggesting that the backbone of SARS-CoV-2 is not ideal, and if it was engineered then the engineers would have used a different backbone known to cause illness.

Well, the SARS-CoV-2 seems to be quite effective according to the CDC, WHO, media, and death count. Perhaps they don't know what they are talking about, or its based on a new unconventional design? Who are they to say what engineers "would have done"? Especially in research labs?

Then they go on to say its a coronavirus, but substantially different from other coronaviruses, and mostly resembles other related viruses. Sounds pretty new and improved to me.

Isn't that kind of like China studying NASA's Moon lander and saying engineers should have built it with another frame? China has never landed anyone on the Moon, who are they to judge?