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In 1947, President Truman established a group of 12 of the top military scientific personnel of their time. They were known as MJ-12. Although the group exists today, none of the original members are still alive………
Paranet – Dec 1987
… About Robert "Bob" Collins… at the time of his departure from the U.S. Air Force, he was assigned to the Plasma Physics group at Sandia National Laboratory located at Kirtland AFB [the same base Rick Doty worked at in the 80s]. Linda Howe states that in November 1987, Collins was "frantically" trying to get her to meet with him in Albuquerque. …At that meeting, also attended by John Lear, Collins showed the two some MJ-12 documents, primarily relating to a live alien allegedly held captive by the U.S. Government. According to Howe, Collins stated that he had worked "behind the scenes" with Bill Moore for years….
In December 1985, I read an article by Barry Greenwood about an allegedly ultra-secret government group called "MJ-12". The article was based on information provided by researcher Lee Graham….
In early June, 1987, I called Lee again…
…. Graham went on to state that [Bill] Moore claimed that he (Moore) had been "flagged" in U.S. intelligence agencies' computer files so that other operatives would not stumble over and inadvertently expose his operations. Lee went on to say that he had once been introduced to Moore's "superior" whom Moore would only identify as "Richard".
The MJ-12 Affair
The close of 1988 saw American ufology in chaos over the claims and counter-claims about MJ-12. The airing, in October 1988, of the two-hour TV special UFO Coverup Live! only fanned the flames higher….
In it, William Moore and Jaime Shandera .. introduced two men as American intelligence agents. Disguised electronically and given the codenames of ‘Falcon’ [Richard Doty] and ‘Condor’[Robert Collins], the men stated as fact that the American Government was playing host to alien visitors. Memorably, ‘Falcon’ claimed the "grey aliens" liked strawberry ice cream.
Within days of this broadcast William Cooper …. claimed that UFO Coverup - Live, in tandem with the MJ-12 documents, was part of an elaborate disinformation scheme designed to lead UFO researchers away from the ‘real’ situation.
Fortean Times – Don Ecker
....the MJ-12 story will not die … there is a lot of evidence to support it. It is however important to make a distinction between the MJ-12 group which is real, and the MJ-12 document which is almost certainly not a legitimate document…
PresidentialUFO.com
….Every one of them, to a man, firmly denied he had a role in writing the MJ-12 documents. And to complicate matters further, many of the agents had suddenly decided to retire. They were now private citizens with, they emphatically emphasized (and on at least one occasion a lawyer was brought in to reiterate), all the constitutional rights of private citizens….
Howard Blum – Out There
“…If the Air Force knows that the Briefing Document Operation MJ-12 is a fabrication and bogus they would possess records of proof for same …”
“The Air Force Office of Special Investigation is not maintaining any files identifiable with your request … We also consulted with other AFOSI offices to determine if the responsive documents existed. AFOSI does not possess any documentation that gave the Air Force permission to circulate the reference documents … we have searched our files and cannot locate any records relating to Operation Majestic 12.”
…Moore had suggested as early as 1982 that he wanted to create Roswell documents, thinking that it might open doors that were closed.
Roswell in the 21st Century – Kevin Randle
“….in 1987, I was investigated by the FBI for the MJ-12 documents. They claimed, the UFO researchers claimed I released them, I created them. I went through an investigation by the FBI, I was cleared. I took a polygraph, I was cleared. And again in ’89, a different aspect of it became public. The FBI called me, and the same agent who investigated me the first time, and said, “I hate to do this again, but I need to talk to you again about this.” And, and I was cleared obviously on that one.
And then a third time that actually happened, when Bob Collins wrote the book, “Exempt From Disclosure.” He put something in that book, and they thought that information came from me... And they did find out who released that to Robert Collins. That was somebody out of Los Alamos, and they went after that guy, but I didn’t do it.”
On March 5, 1942, George C. Marshall writes a top-secret memo to the President, which states: “regarding the air raid over Los Angeles it was learned by Army G2 that Rear Admiral Anderson recovered an unidentified airplane off the coast of California with no bearing on conventional explanation…
Due consideration must be given the following:-
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(2) The lack of physical evidence in the shape of crash recovered exhibits which would undeniably prove the existence of these subjects.......
A huge UFOtainment industry has arisen in the United States. Built around stories of crashed alien craft, exotic propulsion systems, multiple alien races visiting Earth and alien abductions. One where perpetuating mystery and maintaining belief systems is paramount. Obviously there is money to be made from entertainment. But what is to be gained by a bunch of spooks meddling with the UFO narrative for over 40 years?
originally posted by: data5091
Keep in mind, there is a good amount of Americans who believe in ufo's, and as we all know many, many who have actually seen them as well. Yes, there could be as much dis information and mis information in the areas of ufo's, but I believe some of that is by design, to throw people off.
MJ-12 also missed the General Nathan F. Twining memo of September 23rd 1947 which clearly states the US lack of any physical evidence of ‘crashed craft’.
The following year on May 24th 1989 Bob Lazar, a friend of John Lear, appeared on Las Vegas TV claiming to have worked at Area 51 back engineering alien craft from Zeta Reticuli.
originally posted by: spiritualarchitect
So that is why someone who does not even believe that UFO's are alien has to spend all his time making multiple threads to tell us that they are not alien.
Skeptic: Let me ask you about the MJ-12 crashed-saucer government documents that Stanton Friedman and others have promoted. You've labeled them a hoax as well. But didn't you lose a $1,000 bet with Friedman over the authenticity of one of them?
Klass: I did pay Friedman $1,000 in 1989 after he successfully met one of my challenges -- but it was not a "bet" or a "wager" because it was risk-free to him. William Moore and Jaime Shandera, who were two of Friedman's partners in promoting the MJ-12 papers, claim that they discovered a memo in the National Archives purportedly written on July 14, 1954, by President Eisenhower's special assistant, Robert Cutler. The fact that Cutler had actually been out of the country on official business on the day the memo -- which, by the way, was unsigned -- allegedly was written indicated that it was counterfeit. But another suspicious aspect to me was that it had been typed in "pica" typeface rather than the smaller "elite" typeface that was used in all the Cutler office letters that I had obtained from the Eisenhower Library archives. So, thinking I had a sure hand, I offered to pay Friedman $100 for every genuine Cutler letter that he could find that was written on a pica-face typewriter -- up to a total of $1,000. To my surprise, Friedman was able to find about 20 such letters, and I promptly sent him my check. But, mind you, this was more than a year after he had refused my proposed "wager" which could have yielded him many thousands of dollars if he were able to demonstrate that the MJ-12 crashed-saucer documents were authentic -- but which could have cost him money if they proved counterfeit. The evidence that they are phony is overwhelming, as I've detailed in numerous articles.
originally posted by: Tinel
Were they laying the foundation for a Disclosure that,according to Dolan and Greer's sources,was supposed to take place in the early 90's but was cancelled because of the attempted coup and fall of the Soviet Union?Only they know.
originally posted by: Tinel
Were they laying the foundation for a Disclosure that,according to Dolan and Greer's sources,was supposed to take place in the early 90's but was cancelled because of the attempted coup and fall of the Soviet Union?Only they know.
Likewise, the old story goes that the foundations for disclosure were going to be laid out by the 1974 TV documentary, 'UFOs: Past, Present and Future', presented by Rod Serling (fresh from 'Night Gallery' but still an icon from 'The Twilight Zone' that ended 10 years earlier). The documentary won an award, but the crucial piece of genuine footage of an alien landing at Holloman AFB in 1971 - promised by the USAF to filmmaker Robert Emenegger - never materialised.
The rumour is that the bad timing of Watergate threw a spanner into the disclosure works.