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reply posted on 13-3-2005 @ 09:13 AM by ZMax
Well,
it's really funny reading this site...There's everything here - people playing "devil's advocate",nuclear socialists,Doomsday anticipators...

Operation Opera

I really want to remind some of you what the World would be if Israel was not there to strike Osiraq and draw the condemnation for it from the "Free World"...I'm pretty sure if Saddam had nucelar weapons when he invaded Kuwait all of you chikens would tell us how actually Kuwait attacked Iraq or was part of Iraq unjustly taken by the Brits from the Iraqi Homeland...
Just look at the first photo...the one where Saddam Hussain and Jacques Shirac are together - "first friends"...The thinking I'll leave to you...


reply posted on 13-3-2005 @ 09:43 AM by ZMax




ISIS has discovered images of an Iranian site that raises suspicions that Iran is continuing to hide parts of its nuclear program. These images were provided to ABC News for a June 16, 2004 World News Tonight report.


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reply posted on 13-3-2005 @ 09:47 AM by JudahMaccabbi
Originally posted by ZMax





ISIS has discovered images of an Iranian site that raises suspicions that Iran is continuing to hide parts of its nuclear program. These images were provided to ABC News for a June 16, 2004 World News Tonight report.


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NO they are building an invisible nuclear reactor for peaceful purposes!!!!!


reply posted on 13-3-2005 @ 12:31 PM by Indigo_Child
Why are you surpised. We know this is going to happen. It's clear a US-Israel attack will happen soon. In weeks, or in months, but definitely sometime this year.

We also know it is completely illegal. Now, if Israel attacks Iran. Fair enough, Israel is a rogue nation anyway. However when US get's involved, when Iran has done nothing to it, just so that it can plunder it's resources. It's criminal, and when society can't deal with criminals, even support them. I just have no idea how to argue how wrong this is.

Because it seems like wrong is right now. At one point, if someone got murdered, it was such a misery, such a tragic event, such a misfortune. Today, when the same hapens, it becomes a statistic. Some even think it's cool.

When people think violence, murder and crime is cool and freedom, love and peace is for sisses and hippies. Then reason can no longer work.

Just like here reason cannot work. I am not going to give each person who wants a war with Iran here a lecture on morals and ethics. I am just going to say to them that whatever they reap will be a fruit of their own creation.

When they see just how many of their friends, family are suffering because of their stupidity, only then will they realise what the importance of morals and ethics are. This is how reason will present itself to them, through experience.

These primitives need the experience before they can grow up. It's a hard thing to digest that your future is in the hands of primitives, but this is just how god's universe works.

[edit on 13-3-2005 by Indigo_Child]


reply posted on 13-3-2005 @ 01:17 PM by JudahMaccabbi
Originally posted by 00PS
Originally posted by JudahMaccabbi
Do you honestly think that the Arab masses hate the Jews for what the 'Zionists' did to the Palestinians or is it just blind hatred of the Jews?


You said Iran has 9% of the worlds oil, why do they need nuclear energy....that's really dumb to say.

Hey Israel is a state yes? They have nukes yes? Ok let's let Iran have nukes too? What's wrong with this picture?

You think Israel is better than Iran, should be above Iran? Are Jews better and above Iranians? Is that it Juddah? Your overwhelming support for the State of Israel is blinding you from making intelligent statements about the issues at hand.

That's ok though, you can go on with your bad self. Just remember, Jews are better than no one, and no one is better than Jews. What Jews can have, everyone can have and what anyone can have Jews can have.

Obviously you don't agree with this philosophy, you must hold Jews to a higher standard and expect them to be the Chosen Children of God and Rule The World, or at least Iran for the moment by taking away their nations right to nuclear technology.

I do not think Jews are better than Iranians - I'll let you in on a little secret - Iranians have scored the highest on scholastic tests in high schools out of the entire world. Let me let you in on another secret - I am a Jew of Uzbeki/Iranian heritage. I've had Iranian Jewish and non-Jewish friends, I work with Arab/Israelis I even have a relative who converted to Islam and we still meet every few months. I believe Jews are better than no-one. But nuclear weapons is not a playstation 2. Its not a 17"TFT monitor, but a devastatingweapon whose primary target will be Israel.

Nuclear weapons are weapons of deterence - Israel badly needed that deterence to solidify its place in a sea of Arabs who would stop at nothing to demolish the single Jewish state this world has to offer. Jews are special in my view only because they are an endangered species - 15 million in a world of over 6 billion is nothing - am 5 million of them are in Israel is even less.

Nuclear weapons cannot be allowed to proliferate - A nuclear crisis was averted it India and Pakistan not too long ago - Both sides were sufficiently intelligent to back down. Israel has nuclear weapons for over 30 years and never used it. It is a doomsday weapon whose only use is as a deterrent. I am not sure that Iran with its extremism can be trusted with that kind of weapon - A philosophy of every thing is OK in the name of Allah is frightening. The only countries that seem to understand that is the US and its allies.



Arabs hate Jews for Zionist Policies...of these policies there are many that Arabs hate. Blind hatred of Jews? The only blind anything here is your blind Love of Jews... Be critical...analyze things from both perspectives. Then make a decision.


How did you come to the decision I blindly love Jews? Just because I am a Zionist - Zionism is the concept of a Jewish right for a homeland in Israel - Our historic land.

Does that mean I hate Arabs - no.

I understand Arabs are peeved at us for what they claim is land-theft. I claim that hatred came long before Israel was created. In 1929 over 60 Jews where lynched to death in Hebron (A city that had Jewish inhabitants since Ancient times). Arabs lynched them out of religious hatred after their Imam in the city fave a firery sermon about Jewish conspiracy to deface the temple mount (or something of the sort). In response the British removed all Jews from Hebron to Jerusalem. Transferring Jews was always OK - Through-out the centuries. That was almost 20 years BEFORE Israel.
In Mashhad, Iran, where there was once a huge Jewish community, Muslim wiped out the Jewish communities by either murdering them or forcing them to convert to Islam - My ancestors at the time left Mashhad for Bukhara in what is now Uzbekistan.

So you say I love Jews and hate Arabs, I say no - They hate us because we are Jewish.



reply posted on 13-3-2005 @ 01:17 PM by JoeDoaks
Israel/Iran/Iraq- lots of “I” in that part of the world.

I (there ya go) don't get the entire way things work in the middle-east, but from reading history I don't believe the people that live there do either. The Jews were given part of the area by the British- since then many things have changed. Not many for the better.

I have a certain 'kin-ness' feeling for Israel (not a Jew) maybe only because of recent history. I do not hate Arabs or believe they are 'cowardly' as a few have posted herein. People are going to do what works. The Arab armies have been decisively defeated by Israel. So if armies don't work try something else.

Would Iran nuke Israel? Maybe- I have a strong feeling that is Israel bombs Iran the troubles inside of Israel will escalate geometrically. Iran is a proud country trying to get out from under its reliance on oil. Israel surely understands things like this.

If it is true that the Iranians are trying to build nuclear weapons then they are living in the wrong paradise. Neither Israel nor the U.S. will allow that to happen. Iran has been castigated because of the U.S. for decades. The U.S. needs to get realistic.

Iran is complaining about not being allowed to join the World Trade Organization- why should they have ever been denied?

Israel complains about the UN. Let's look at history- Israel is in constant aggression. Is this aggression all the Arabs fault? Come on now- be honest.

How much of the area does Israel really want to grab before they are satisfied? Many people feel the answer is 100%.

Do the Palestinians deserve a state? Many believe the answer is a flat NO. If not, then other than killing all of them what is to be done?

*Zmax, excellent propaganda link
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reply posted on 13-3-2005 @ 01:34 PM by JudahMaccabbi
Originally posted by 00PS
Originally posted by JudahMaccabbi

ZMax, let me explain - Arabs/Muslims are cowardly - they use clandestine proxies to do there work for them as to distance themselves from the act of terror.


Like how Israel uses USA to do their dirtwork...Ah...all the Crazy Nut Cases with Government Power are Cowardly, not just ARABS - Don't be a racist Israeli.

[edit on 13-3-2005 by 00PS]


Oh yeah in 1947 The US fought for US?
Again in 1967?
How about 1973?
How about 1976 when Palestinians HighJacked an AirFrance flight and over 100 Jewish hostages were selected from the entire flight? Who faught then the US?
OK how about the countless incursions from Lebanon into Israel? Who defended us then?
In the 1980s the US helped somewhat in Lebanon. In 1991 Israel was forced to sit on the sidelines and not join the coalition so that the Arab countries in the coalition would not leave (again Arab hatred) - I'll let you in on a little secret - Israel clandestinely fought there too by suppling the coallition with military intelligence and went scud hunting - successfully too.

OK, so in 2003 Israel sat on the sidelines that was the one time.

Racism has nothing to do with it - Look at the terrorist leaders - they really get me going - Sadaam Hussien praises the suicide bombers and supports them yet he himself gave up to the US without a fight - COWARD. Arafat another brave soul - brainwashed children into Jihad - died of natural causes or some disease in a French military hospital - King Coward.
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