People are starting to ignore the fearmongering

a reply to: Caver78

Sounds like propaganda to me. Gain of function for fear factor. No doubt the virus was engineered, but I don't think they have such precise control over the virus and what it will do.

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

I am somewhere in the middle on all of this. I understand the concern to isolate and use precautions to prevent the spread of the virus. But I also understand the purely utilitarian need to keep the economy going so we dont have millions of people destitute, which in itself will generate a public health crisis for different reasons. So I think all we can do is have the two perspectives meet in the middle. Open things up, but still people still need to socially isolate and protect yourself as much as possible. I am a perfect example of most peoples plight, I had a minor stroke back in January, went on sick leave for 2 months, went back to work last month. I would love to be able to stay home and be in a safer situation, but I have to be able to have health insurance and pay my bills, like millions of other people. And most of us working people have NO choice but to work if we are still lucky enough to have a job. There is the way we would like things to be and the way things are. We would like to be able to stay home and isolate, but the way things ARE is that we cant.

a reply to: grey580

So, after the 1918 flu epidemic we didn't get back to normal?

a reply to: tattooedlunchlady

Hopefully they will after the 2nd and 3rd waves of the COVID19.

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: tattooedlunchlady

Hopefully they will after the 2nd and 3rd waves of the COVID19.

True, but wait I just remembered The Flu has been hitting us with wave after wave every year since 1918.

We seem to be ok, I think they call it Herd Immunity a human populations natural response to any recurring Virus.

Fear though we must keep up the Fear

I think the real fear is the healthcare industry being over run, I have had to wait in the emergency room 6+ hours on a random Tuesday night because things were busy, even without this mess going on.

I havent watched a ton of media during this time, but hopefully there has been some push for everyone to improve their basic immunity.

Peronsally I would do much more than some sites like Harvard are recommending, but even what they suggest would go a long way(Vitamin C, D, zinc ie multivitamin).

Like the flu every year, this probably something we going to have to live with going forward.

It was a beautiful day here in new york today. Lots of people in my area where going out to enjoy it. There was a noticeable up tick in traffic noises. And a few people on my block had people over. It doesn't seem like the home isolation has much more steam left.

heard a quote today that needs to be on T-shirts

2 reasons for the spread of the virus - Corona, hate, fear etc

1. DENSE POPULATION
2. DENSE POPULATION

Author - Sadhguru

i.e.
1. overcrowding
2. under thinking

a reply to: puzzled2

If authorities begin legally enforcing their "guidelines", it will push Americans to retaliate.

Just "2 more weeks" right?
"Millions of dead" and "bodies piled up in the streets", just wait 2 more weeks!(sounds like the Q thread..)
Meanwhile the numbers that have been consistently below those of an average flu season continue to drop.
Nevermind the fact that if it was anywhere near as serious as we're led to believe this "social distancing" where people still interact at supermarkets, food stores, pharmacies and all the other "essentials", would only have prolonged the inevitable millions of Covid deaths.

The death rate is somewhat low due to the fact that extraordinary measures have been taken. According to the New York Times the new cases are back on the increase. Corona virus rate of infection and death

This experiment shows that you can slow it down and maybe stop it. But after a while, most people just can't put up with it any longer and have to group up and have their silly loud festivals. I don't think their is enough time to completely get rid of the disease. I think the disease will hopefully mutate until it is no longer a serious threat.

For the sake of everyone's investments and survival we should be allowed to go back to work. If someone is slightly sick they should be sent home until proven not to have the virus. The infection appears to be spreading anyway. I think this is a nice little wake up call for us to snap out of our commas.

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: tattooedlunchlady

Hopefully they will after the 2nd and 3rd waves of the COVID19.

You're right.

Maybe we should just suspend the 2020 election and let President Trump serve until leftist approved scientist agree everything is safe and that there will be no 9th and 10th waves after we their predictions of 2nd through 8th waves never came to pass.

The animation was strange but the data was solid with credible references that can be researched. Thanks!

originally posted by: markymint
It's curious how the only beneficiary of this pandemic is the mainstream media. Everyone the world over staying at home having to ingest news, that is like their ultimate "17 virgins" wet dream come true. Better make the most of it! Better tell the masses Trump said to inject disinfectant into your eyeball when he was just asking about flushing your system in some similar way! Better create a "people's hero" and make sure lots of wealthy donors and corps send an old man £17m. Better have celebrities do something from home so £20m can be raised for # knows who. Better warn people not to overwhelm the empty hospitals, better claim any and all deaths from March 1st are Covid, better stand out and clap for people who were unlucky enough to have # jobs that couldn't be shut down cos they work in the petrol station! Not all of this is "bad" but it is most certainly all "whipped up" by the lame stream. Everything that's getting talked about - you only need to spend 2 or 3 minutes researching the story yourself to see how MSM is skewing the reality.

And here's a new thoughtful video by Dave Cullen

Your point sounds like Golani is an idiot for not thinking panic?
I am reading that into it because you forget the death toll is #1 so low in places where no lockdown occurs that it blows the "social distancing works" theory to hell. So many examples of the failure even after weeks of lowering the expectations. YET, they will ignore the places that said screw it and the people have proven to be the same statistically as the places that are in lockdown. What does that tell us? We have been, you have been played.

Are you and I willing to continue to hear comments like "people will walk over the dead"? DOOM PORN 101, Rule #1 keep pounding the BS doom porn.

originally posted by: Caver78

originally posted by: incoserv

originally posted by: Golani
Yep, I figure we'll open too soon and screw up any kind of recovery. Many people can't wrap their heads around the issue.

What I can't wrap my head around is why my going out threatens you if you stay in your house. Put a sign on our front door that says CHINESE FLU FREE ZONE (or the made up name Covid-19, or whatever you want), and I promise I'll stay away from you!

If you are so damn scared of the possibility of getting sick, you stay home, curled into a fetal position in the most remote corner of the most remote room in your house. You see, that way if I go out and you stay in, you don't have to worry about me getting you sick.

As a matter of fact, you are and have always been statistically many, many times more likely to die in an auto accident or some other random occurrence than you are from contracting the Chinese CCP virus. So, why don't you just plan to live the rest of your life in the back corner of that back room where you'll be safe, safe, safe from all the bad things that might happen to you?
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Stars for hyperbole, nice work if you can get it.

The problem with your very knee jerk reaction is, as more information is coming out it's showing that CV19 is attacking the body in lethal non-expected ways and that most of the initial assumptions made by medical personal were widely inaccurate.
www.washingtonpost.com... utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpinl_tyh

Have to also point out being cautious isn't nearly the same as hiding in ones safe room.
Your right to ignore the risks do not supersede mine to remain alive. Like it or not this is an emergency situation, something new we don't even vaguely have a handle on yet.

As sick of the hype an shut-down as I am, maybe you could tell me how you know my body isn't going to react any more than the if it was the ordinary flu? I don't, you don't. The reason you "may" see life going on as normal is because essential workers are going from home to work, working massive overtime an just haven't had time or opportunity to get sick yet. (yes plenty have, but not all)

Can't shop cause stores on limited hours.
Can't visit friends or family cause no time with mandatory work
PPE'd out the wazoo at work so difficult to catch it there
Social distancing mandatory so getting close to people not happening

A slow rollout of reopening buys us time for the medical community to get answers. Not talking Govt agencies, or even big Pharma. I mean regular doctors in regular practices.

A slow rollout gives us time to see what works and what doesn't.
Example, outdoor arena's ok, indoor venues maybe not.

Companies also have to have time to recoup money spent on equipment for stay-at-home workers. Possibly many more can work from home an it IS cost effective? Snap them all back at once into their offices an that cost outlay becomes permanent.

Fearmongering is rampant but so is idiocy. There is a middle ground.
None of this situation is "Either Or".

It is the ones just behind us who have bought so much of the next level BS.


The ones in High School that I interact with, now are seeing those millennial's as bitter and selfish people who are pushing social this and social that so hard the youth are doing what they all do, having a teenage revolt. The teenagers in my family are more like my Parents attitude about losing their freedoms than I am. The School leadership has been dismal even with some real gems in there teaching. The kids are taking the old wise sage advice of our Parents in my family. Most are anyway. They have their momentary lapses of reasoning. We all do.

originally posted by: AutomateThis1
These social changes have been going on for much longer than the past ten years, and shift back and forth due to politics, ethics, and the media.

I've noticed a trend going back before 9/11 where people were generally beginning to "lean left." Here recently though I've noticed that things are, in my opinion, actually swing back towards the right.

I speak with a lot of younger folks, teens, early twenties, the like. More and more of them are actually vocal about being against a lot of what the Democrats and media are pushing.

The younger folks I talk to don't trust any media source, and are skeptical about just about everything.

So I can go across the street and buy alcohol, tobacco, and lottery tickets and the same people are working in there everyday and none of them got sick while waiting on hundreds of people a day, but I can't go to the hardware store and buy a box of nails because I'll get the flu and die. Yeah, makes sense.

My wife, who for the last several weeks has essentially been agoraphobic due to Coronavirus fear-mongering, has now started going out to the grocery stores again. I'm counting that as progress.

All they needed to do to make the sheeple so fearful of the CV this year is to have the MSM gives us those bloated numbers and defend the narrative to their death. They seem to love the failure of society this is causing. They can tell us about it 'with a gleam in their eye'.

Anybody know what they say has to happen when a snapping turtle bites?

Lightening has to strike!

Special Forces had a lightening bolt on their shoulders. We need some lightening bolts. "Thunder bolts and Lightening very very frightening"

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: Caver78

Sounds like propaganda to me. Gain of function for fear factor. No doubt the virus was engineered, but I don't think they have such precise control over the virus and what it will do.

a reply to: 111DPKING111

I watch the media every evening for 30 minutes max and have been doing so for a number of years.

From what I have seen there IS NOT ONE WORD SPOKEN about preventive measures like vitamins and zinc.

The media serves Big Pharma, and it prefers prescription drugs and vaccines to supplements.

a reply to: Doctor Smith

That's what they want you to believe. Sweden did far less and their death rate is proportionally comparable. They also built herd immunity far quicker. They also have far less economic disruption.