Michigan medical examiners say “most died WITH Covid19 than OF Covid 19”

a reply to: SeektoUnderstand



Well ,

" Figures don't Lie, but Liars Figure " .............Mark Twain

I have never been to NY and I have no desire t ever go there. The place is overcrowded the pictures of cramped subways and substations look disgusting. I look at it and don't have any problem believing that a virus would spread extremely quick in that environment.

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: SeektoUnderstand

How many people have to die before it sinks in that this virus is quite deadly....

When there is actual data that supports that (at present) false statement. How can you question people who question death rates that have already been proven multiple times are being intentionally manipulated over and over?

I'm 100% for legitimate data. I'm 100% against manipulated and outright fabricated data. I've been saving articles from the web for the past 6 weeks when this media driven clown show kicked off and the volume of lies is next level BS.

I'm realizing now most people do not fundamentally understand how data sets should be aggregated and broken down in order to understand a clear picture of what the data tells us.

Instead they read sensationalist articles with misleading headlines and tuck that away as "fact" when it's the furthest thing from fact.

If you are old, infirmed, or have a prior health issue, and poor health history then guess what? You are just as likely to be taken out by anyone of the current 109 infectious diseases listed on the CDC website.

If you are in good health with no prior poor health history then you will be fine. This disease IS NOT the Hollywood global killing disease the mockingbird media is making it out to be.

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

Mark Twain lived in a time before modern statistics and vast instant information (Internet).

a reply to: Case74282

Critical thinking..... what a concept! thank you

originally posted by: SeektoUnderstand
a reply to: chr0naut

Nearly “every country In the world” save it. There is UK, USA,ITALY,SPAIN, and............ OH YEAH THE OTHER 130!PLUS countries that are THIRD WORLD countries doing better WITHOUT a lockdown or any “restrictions” in place..... so you’re telling me this “virus” is self aware? It can pick and choose which type of person from which region it wants?

the bottom line is the real facts in this point to it being a virus that is “SLIGHTLY” more infectious (not lethal) than the flu that happens EVERY YEAR WITH A VACCINE and is MUCH worse......

Other smaller countries don't have the capability for big medicine response to the virus, so they use something that has worked against epidemic illness for millennia - quarantine.

The word quarantine comes from the Latin phrase meaning 'fourty days'. The concept of quarantine is even mentioned in Leviticus in the Bible.

Countries that have had little problem from the virus have all implemented effective quarantine. Not blanket lock-down, or testing, simply keeping those potentially infected out of human contact for a period greater than the incubation and recovery period of the pathogen. It is very effective.

Also, it isn't that the virus is selective. Infection rate and mortality relates to points of infection. If there are a lot of points of infection, then there are a lot of people infected. If there are a lot of points of infection in a single person, the viral load will exceed what the body can deal with and the result will be deadlier than just a few contacts. That is why medical staff are so prone to the virus - numbers of points of contact.

In the US, the mortality rate, as recorded by the Johns Hopkins University Coronavirus Resource Centre is 5.3% and rising. I think that is more than 26,000 times the influenza mortality rate of 2 per 100,000 people.

originally posted by: Grimpachi
I have never been to NY and I have no desire t ever go there. The place is overcrowded the pictures of cramped subways and substations look disgusting. I look at it and don't have any problem believing that a virus would spread extremely quick in that environment.

That's why in 2017, the Governor and Mayor had a significant study conducted to determine if New York City was ready for any kind of attack...because it's such a tempting target for terrorists who want maximum death. In 2018, Cuomo/DeBlasio said they were ready for whatever.

a reply to: carewemust

What do you expect them to say? Should they have listed the weaknesses and hope terrorists wouldn't pay attention?

Don't answer because the answer is no they shouldn't say they aren't ready.

Besides no one can defend against a virus without prior warning and preparation. The whole country dropped the ball even with prior warning. Our government knew about the virus going back to November and even warned the UN and Israel of it. It is messed up that our government warned other countries but not the states. The government downplayed it for months.

a reply to: Grimpachi

Why have a terror-readiness study conducted if your response to the study's findings is already pre-determined?

a reply to: carewemust

The government had done a study for a viral outbreak just like the one we are going through and even came up with a playbook to contain and mitigate. It was ignored. Why?

As of 16.April 2020. 0.029% pf the total World population of 7.54b(2018) is affected by this outbreak. This represents 29 total confirmed cases of covid-19 for every 100000 people.


Covid-19 crude mortality rate As of 16.April 2020 ( Deaths/ total World population ) is at 0.003%. Spanish Flu (1918-1920 ) had crude mortality rate of 2.7%-5.4%

Source:

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a reply to: chr0naut

Of course you would mention the Bible any “ facts “ to back up that statement ??

Testing in many places has been low. The US has 330 million people and hasn't even tested 3 million. Mexico 130 million people with 31 thousand tests.

Worldwide COVID-19 testing ratio per country, million

Less than 3 million people tested and over 700 thousand of those tested positive. We need far more testing.

originally posted by: SeektoUnderstand
a reply to: chr0naut

Of course you would mention the Bible

any “ facts “ to back up that statement ??

There are several passages in the Bible that relate to disease and how to deal with it. The usual way was to exclude those affected from contact with others, for a period of time, until symptoms had resolved. An example passage is as shown below

Leviticus 13: 4-5: "If the shiny spot on the skin is white but does not appear to be more than skin deep and the hair in it has not turned white, the priest is to isolate the affected person for seven days. On the seventh day the priest is to examine him, and if he sees that the sore is unchanged and has not spread in the skin, he is to isolate him for another seven days."

Leviticus was written some time (possibly thousands of years) earlier than 332 BCE. As such, it represents one of the oldest written works describing quarantine.

Additionally, the priests in these passages also had a fair amount of ritual washing of hands and rules for the washing of clothing, too. They were to be 'clean' before God and the people in their duties.

a reply to: infolurker

the results of an informal study that appeared to show that, in some regions of the country, non coronavirus deaths were rising at an alarming rate alongside confirmed COVID-19 deaths

Tell hundreds of millions of people to stay home, feed them Fear, Panic and Hopelessness 24 hours a day, along with going broke because businesses have shut down, the result is pretty predictable. Suicide goes up. Murder, domestic violence, child abuse ...

Germany:

According to the RKI, anyone who was infected and dies with the current corona virus counts as a corona death. Regardless of whether he died directly from the illness as a result of the infection or whether he suffered from several illnesses and the decisive factor is unclear. One reason for this is that internal autopsies should be avoided when the dead are considered contagious.
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And even here are mistakes, you don´t die from Corona but from Covid-19. So corona death is absolutely nonsense, Covid-19 death would be right. But this fact finder article is even from one of the tax funded public service propaganda broadcasters which have nothing else to do than to normaly spread panic and paranioa when it comes to Corona/Covid-19. And to celebrate those neoliberalists which try to patch now what they destroyed over the last decades with their neoliberal agenda. And if even they report how numbers of "Covid-19 deaths" are created, then only if they can´t hide it anymore.

We know it from Italy too, that every corona infected is counted as a Covid-19 death. Doesn´t matter if he died from a heart attack or a traffic accident. When tested positiv to corona later, it was a covid-19 death. How credible can such numbers be? And why are governments and their loudspeakers, the MSM, spreading these numbers as the only one truth? They know that all the numbers which are floating around are not credible numbers. And they know how these numbers are created. Because they give orders to institutes which are funded by the state like the RKI(Robert Koch Institute). To create these numbers.

The RKI says only what the politicians want to hear. Before several weeks/months, they told us here in germany that masks are useless, that Corona is just a another flu. Both, politicians and RKI. They did nothing even after being warned by other states, by what was going on in China and meanwhile Italy. They did nothing to organize masks and protective gear. Not even for hospitals, doctors , nurses, cops, for nobody. They told us that and why simple masks are useless and even the effective FFP3 mask have to be used for only 30 minutes. Result, nobody wore a masks because no masks to buy, because of our government. Result of this behaviour? Numbers of infected and deaths are heavily shrinking (while it gets warmer outside) without any people wearing any masks.

Now, after they are trying to organize at least some masks around the world and bought some maybe around 80-100 millions, they try to tell us now that we all have to wear masks if "we want to get our old lives back and defeat the virus". In addition to a tracking and medical data hoarding spyPhone app and sending these collected health-, movement- and whatever else data to the RKI and who knows who else. In some states like like the eastern Saxony or the eastern Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania it is even a mandatory. Doesn´t matter if people are able to buy masks. Because people can´t they say that even a scarf, bandana or whatever piece of cloth or whatever would help too. And one of these states starts to sell FFP2 (not FFP3!) masks for 5 Euros per piece. Normally you pay 1-2 Euros in a pack for each mask. I don´t understand why masks didn´t help when not one was available in germany and now they will slowly get madatroy everywhere in germany, as i bet. How do they explain the heavily shrinking numbers and of infections and deaths though almost nobody wore a masks till today because no masks were available?

The governments behaviour reminds me of blackmailing. Do this and that or you don´t get your normal lives back. We won`t go back to a normal as we knew it anyway, powerful circles are transforming our societies right now, the virus was just the beginning and is used as excuse for the transformation people never would have accepted. It began with Event201 and will end up with a lot of Gates and other depopulation and vaccine "gods" wet dreams becoming fullfilled, will end up with a more suppressed, controlled and exploited society in a worldwide corpocracy.

They are a lot of credible numbers out there, which are not propagated but prove the oppsite of what our governments tell us. There are a lot of credible virologists and pandemic and epidemic experts which laugh about the panic measures many western governments took. But they are not present in the MSM which is spreading fear and panic 24/7, since months now. Which only show several rare pics all the time which could be scenes from apokalypse movies. Like the cascet scene from Italy or the refriegated trucks from NYC. Only pics from overcrowded intensive care units. Which report every new infected person on the other side of the earth but forget to tell us that most of the people have no to mild symptons and recover from all alone, at home, without visiting any doctor or hospital and often without even noticing anything. The MSM which shows us only the worst cases and make people think that they are next tomorrow. While numbers and reality tell us something completely different.

Noboy wants to notice the fact that around 50% of the working population has and had to work like before corona. Not a few because they could decide: Corona "holidays" or keeping the job. Without any corona security measures, without any protective gear. They are building an appartment complex around the corner, they didn´t work one hour less than before corona and for sure don´t have any protective gear too, not available and mostly not even helpful anyway. Just for the minds of the panicked toilet paper hoarders which feel a bit more secure then. Most likely false security but hey, doesn´t matter. Most of the people which keep the countries running can´t do "home office", they have to use ther bodies to work. And did this for months now. Who does the governemt want to allegedly protect, the people? Which have to work, get infect and infect everybody at home? Because that is what they tell us would happen if we would do what we are forced to do at work but with the little difference: in our spare time.

I can for sure only speak for Germany, but that´s how reality is here. I don´t believe anything official anymore, they actors are not credible and their panic actions very often not to explain with logic. They lied to often, changed their minds to 100% from one night to other morning. They called people fake news spreaders and did exactly three days later what these "fake news reports" reported before. There is much, much more and i have collected material and links, have taken screenshots of websites and reports before they dissappear and all that "never happened, was never done and said and is just conspiracy theory".

Some things that happened could bring politicians like "our health minister" Jens Spahn into real trouble in the near future. He is just another learned banker by the grace of the transatlanticists in the completely wrong position and prove it all the time since Event201 started and even long before Event201 started. Not a year ago he wanted to close down more than 600 hospitals in Germany, for the profits of the neoliberal money god. And now acts like the saviour and is even celebrated by the toilet paper hoarders lemmings and the deer in the headlights, which completely stopped thinking autonomous but ask for their strong "Führers".

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: pheonix358

Ok, there are excess mortality coming in from all over the world... .explain?

When almost double the people are dead than average, what the hell do you think is going on?

Nothing to see?

I don't know; could be people without covid with underlying medical conditions that would otherwise be in the hospital being treated for what they have... not being in the hospital because they are told not to come in unless it's excessive.

People are afraid to go to the hospital, so they are dying from preventable things.

Very simple answer.

originally posted by: SeektoUnderstand
a reply to: Zanti Misfit

Mark Twain lived in a time before modern statistics and vast instant information (Internet).

And yet Mr. Twain still knew there were three kinds of lies: lies... damned lies... and statistics...

Yes, figures can be misleading and figures can be misinterpreted. No one knows the true numbers here. First and foremost, because we don't have the true numbers and probably never will. And, of course, because some people have a vested interest in fudging the numbers.

“All the numbers have some value, it just depends how you interpret them. The more data we can put together, the more helpful it will be.”

Could there be something else at play here? Sure there could. VAP. Ventilator Associated Pneumonia. In other words, ventilators contaminated with antibiotic-resistent bacteria, causing additional disease for anyone already struggling and placed on a ventilator?

Is this proof 'live-saving' ventilators are actually deathtraps? Their success rate is appalling and medics are increasingly worried they may do more harm than good, disturbing report reveals

Would the medical industry have a vested interest in hiding the fact that there own equipment could be the true cause of death? Of course.

Anything else that could possibly go wrong? You betcha:

Study of Trump-touted chloroquine for coronavirus stopped due to heart problems, deaths

Hmmmmm..... I wonder how many patients died from the use of an experimental drug for off-label use? Do you think we'll ever know? I don't think so either.

People are dying. Period. We need to know why and take appropriate action where appropriate. These are issues with our medical system that existed before Covid and will continue to exist after Covid, and are most likely being exploited for maximum political advantage by critters to fearmonger those who don't know any better.

Numbers mean nothing in a vacuum.

I'm also sure if they took the time to study it, they would find that most die with the flu than of the flu.

Nuff said.