Did they murder Patties child?

originally posted by: one4all

1. I don't need evidence.

2. I listened to anonymous sources say there are parts of the video cut out that show Patty digging something up with a digging stick

no one sneaks up on Bigfoot

1. I need evidence, something that shows me there is missing film.

2. I see it this way, as we have been told before, Patty may have been drinking from the creek. Either she knew the sound and smell of horses so she knew what was coming ~ or ~ most likely did not know what was coming as was curious.

Patty heard the horses coming but they were blocked from her view, as we have been told, by the fallen tree. She could not see men on them nor could she smell the men on them ~ until they came around the tree right across the creek from her. Then she started walking and we can see how far she was away from them already when she first shows up on film.

Here is a new update on the story:

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So instead of capturing these creatures and taking them to a zoo and getting paid thousands of dollars for each one and achieving long lasting fame along with that, they instead are paid by the construction company to have them killed?

Did Bob not get the memo that he was supposed to shoot Patti?

And these guys who spend their whole lives being ridiculed while they are trying to prove that the Big ones exist are not pointing out that they already have proof in a body that they could dig up?

And like RD and JG are instead telling everyone that if you see one you should shoot it to prove to science that they exist?

There are soooo many holes in this story that the only way to prove it is to come up with the missing segment of film.

This is like a TV show waiting to happen. Get ALL these people that are still alive to sit down in front of the cameras and hash this out.

Gimlin, Meldrum, Bo Bo, Moneymaker - the whole lot who are involved in Bigfoot research. Sit them all down and film them discussing the veracity of this whole massacre thing.

a reply to: spiritualarchitect

I would also like to see the wheat separated from the chaffe.

However I have had my own personal experiences with Bigfoot.

Right now I am holding a fist sized piece or rose colored quartz left for me in a trade....in all seriousness.

I am aware of the Kill Teams.Private and Military.

I am aware of the differing reasons behind the actions of each group.

Dogma is the common denominator.

Trump is the best hope for full disclosure...many things are now changing quickly.

Bigfoot are not difficult to find or to track at all....if you understand them and understand where and how they live.

Clearly there are many many photos and videos online that are real and not fakes...and yes to the argument there are more fakes than real videos online.

If I can find them and track them so easily so can others...so if Species annihilation was the agenda it would be over already....it seems like they are just eradicated wherever they begin to interact to much with people risking full disclosure via injuries or death or videos or pictures.

I have developed a healthy fear of Bigfoot since I learned they were real.

Originally I competed with them for Berries and Mushrooms....its how I was lead to discovering they are real.

I live in a Major City.....Bigfoot lives wherever it wants to.

I have a boatload of pictures and videos but putting them on ATS is such a pain in the hass I have not done it nor do I plan on doing it....but I have better evidence than 80% of the posters online right now.

But to be frank strange things happen surrounding Bigfoot that are definitely patterned but so far impossible to explain....I have had phone-cameras get lost in the field I have had computers pooch and lose data and phone videos and pictures wiped...all under odd circumstances....just saying.

But the evidence is overwhelming and everywhere Bigfoot lives.

I could take anyone directly to Bigfoot Clans pretty much anywhere in the world now that I understand how they live.

Give me a deep research fund and help with red tape and I show you Bigfoot in your first season of searching.

I mean this is the ultimate in high adventure that almost anyone can undertake.

Its just a matter of money man.....I just watched some videos of people who went back to this exact same area where Patty and her Family were murdered....they were extremely well prepared with lots of tech and equipment …...they were 100% CLUELESS about their surroundings....they could not find any evidence nor traces nor tracks of Bigfoot BUT THEY WERE LITERALLY SURROUNDED BY THIS EVIDENCE OF CURRENT HABITUATION.

I watch their videos and those of others who legitimately try to search but they do not know what to look for....they walk right over under and all around massive volumes of clear Bigfoot evidence....but I miss nothing.....nor would another experienced Bigfoot hunter.....so yes Bigfoot are not uncommon at all and many people are right amongst them searching for the wrong things and missing the boat entirely.....so close but so far away.

Bigfoot CAN BE anywhere however they are found in exclusive areas generally...they are very predictable and consistent.

The power involved with Bigfoot is a driving factor in how you must approach them....they are 1000% DOMINANT IN EVERY WAY IMAGINABLE OVER US HUMANS.

It was a skilled experienced Hit Team that killed Patty and her Family...they were prepared above and beyond anyone else....and their task was not difficult...it was cowardly and sickening to me.

I knew the first time I saw the Patty film what was happening and why she was behaving the ways she did...she was under life and death pressure....and she knew it....she was not fleeing the scene or simply leaving it she was making a tactical retreat trying to lead people to an ambush....believe me....but those monsters knew that I believe.

To me the Patty case was closed the first time I saw the video....only an idiot would even consider it to be a fake...quite seriously.

Th method of luring the Clan into a killing zone is textbook military....and without extremely well prepared plans the Clan would have killed these people to a man....but these were not people they were hired trained killers.

I am torn on the Bigfoot topic now....and I can literally walk 30 minutes and be in the middle of a highly populated habituation zone....for gods sakes multiple people are taking trail cam pictures and regularly feeding these Bigfoot....some for many years...even on freaking dinner plates....some NEIGHBORHOODS have a lot of people aware and protective of them.However the dangers are very very real...remote but real...you need to put yourself in the line of fire and do something extreme usually to get the short end of the stick.

People are not told the historically accurate facts....for example...what do you think totem poles really are?....well they are Bigfoot sign posts....its how the Natives told the Bigfoot to stay out of their territory.....or how they identified it as occupied.

What do you think large tee-pee structures built by Bigfoot are for?....they are for the Natives...they are a part of a working agreement between the natives and Bigfoot Clans....they are an extremely valuable quantity once you understand it all.....its freaking firewood....GATHERED AND STACKED FOR TRADE PURPOSES.

Lol...Bigfoot knows and manages agriculture AND HORTICULTURE....SERIOUSLY.

Send me a rich guy or gal with the cojones to experience Bigfoot firsthand.....and that's as easy as it is.....Bigfoot are everywhere their needs are met ...literally.

You have cash and want to make the best Bigfoot Documentary ever posted online.....come see me before I find better things to do and lets git er done.

Bigfoot season is just starting where I live....easiest time to find them because they are really hungry and ready for the salad bar spring brings.

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"

I really enjoy howtohunt.com stories but I'm waiting for this to all fall apart. The whole thing seems plausible because his YouTube page for two years or longer was all hunting, then last summer he started telling Big Foot stories and now it's blown up.

He keeps claiming things are about to get real interesting soon...so we'll see...he could fall hard like everyone else in big foot.

The guy he's mentioned a few times, Scott Carpenter, a big foot and dog man researcher...idk about him...so I'm thinking howtohunt.com is going to flop. But he could come through! So it's exciting regardless.

a reply to: one4all

your delusions have now abandoned all attempts at logic , coherence and internal consistancy

even by ATS " standards " -

i am going to have to divise a retord more scathing that " utter bollox " - just for this

a reply to: game over man

I have been watching the How to Hunt guy to,hes losing it man,hes like a rabid ATSer,he has lost his patience with the suppression and non-disclosure.He will snap out of it.Once you accept on a personal level that Bigfoot are real then you are officially inside the Rabbit Hole.I like the guy and he just needs the Big Picture to calm him down.

I watched some Scott Carpenter videos....not bad stuff .Hes right about the genetic profile of Bigfoot....I nailed that down years ago without DNA evidence.....and its the latent talents that push suppression and also the genetic facts that both Humans and Bigfoot were genetically modified at the same time by the same People for pretty much the same reasons.

Bigfoot are easy to find.

Seriously...if you understand the forest they are like Semi-Trucks driving through the forest.Their appetites are immense and they are constant eaters, man they mess up the neighborhood in a big big way. They love Horses and Equestrian Centers and they love Playgrounds and Campgrounds.They like to lay around a lot on the ground lounging as they eat.

The Forest is not as big as people think....Bigfoot uses the same areas we use for the same reasons...even taking in panoramic views....lol...they impact the local deer and small animal populations in a big big way.

I live in a Major City and there are a lot of other People interacting regulary with the Bigfoot in my area but over the last 2 years there has been a notable increase in transient Bigfoot...with some negative local feedback and a few massive battles...I found an area where 2 big Males had it out....it looked like someone had heli-dropped a huge woodchipper into the Forest and decimated a big area...every trees was SPLINTERED into tiny pieces....not just broken it looked like they had exploded.

In my area we get the Canadian West Coast Bigfoot breeds mostly.

I grew up in the Country and was hiking and fishing by myself by 9-10 years old sleeping overnight in the forest without a tent ,by myself.Bigfoot is extremely easy to find if you know where to look and when to look,they follow their stomachs and clean water sources....they like to be close to people .They really do make a huge impact on resources if they stay in one area for an extended amount of time....I am getting ready to observe their yearly feast on spawning fish in local Creeks …. Bigfoot loves nothing more than a Free lunch...and Pumpkins.

a reply to: ignorant_ape

Why don't you come on a Bigfoot excursion and see for yourself.

Probably easier than me trying to figure out how to post pictures and videos here.

Early Spring is the best time to look for Bigfoot....now ...sparse vegetation and incoming spring greens combined with their insatiable appetites and its easy to see where they are feeding.

originally posted by: one4all
I just watched some videos of people who went back to this exact same area where Patty and her Family were murdered....they were extremely well prepared with lots of tech and equipment …...they were 100% CLUELESS about their surroundings....they could not find any evidence nor traces nor tracks of Bigfoot BUT THEY WERE LITERALLY SURROUNDED BY THIS EVIDENCE OF CURRENT HABITUATION.

Good post that one. Are you talking about this:
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originally posted by: one4all
Hes right about the genetic profile of Bigfoot.

So you think they are a type of human - not ape at all?

With the DNA, hair samples, and the inter-breeding stories, I find it plausible that they are an off-branch, but not so human as to be just cavemen.

a reply to: spiritualarchitect

No, I saw a video of some dudes repairing and replacing signs along the Trail to the area,it was awesome because it showed the general area in macro-perspective.

Thanks for the link.....I hate watching videos of any of the People involved in this incident....I get angry and vindictive immediately....I give credence to the times and to the lack of status quo support for the existence of Bigfoot....it was this very lack of data and official recognition that allowed this Professional Hit Team to murder Bigfoot Clans. However I have no respect for any of them.

All they did in that video was destroy the path of least resistance to discovering exactly where the remains or bones and skulls are buried....its still possible using natural forensic patterning but not as easy as it would have been before they began clearcutting everything.

That is prime Bigfoot territory very very similar to my own area.
The linked video unfortunately did not pan around the area and give us much to work with … had we simply had a walkthrough done prior to the landscaping we could have identified recent evidence of activity right there at the exact site.

I didn't save the video of the Trail-sign repair men....it was pretty good....I will keep my eye open for it....but really any nice long video of someone tramping all around and through the area will suffice.....Bigfoot signs are not hard to identify.

originally posted by: spiritualarchitect

originally posted by: one4all
Hes right about the genetic profile of Bigfoot.

So you think they are a type of human - not ape at all?

With the DNA, hair samples, and the inter-breeding stories, I find it plausible that they are an off-branch, but not so human as to be just cavemen.

We have a common ancestor......we were given different more "refined" or "specialised" traits.....they were given different traits....however as I say I believe we have a common ancestor.I do believe we can cross-breed.I do believe many People are taken by Clans or by Rogue Bigfoot.....especially women and kids.

I think Humans are a variation of the Mammalian 5-Star Sentient Universal pattern or template...…. I believe that Universal life follows a similar template in all environments that leads to a variant of the 5-Star representation of sentient life....2 legs 2 arms and a head.

I think Bigfoot is telepathic to differing degrees amongst their bloodlines … I think they know how to use infra-sound in a weaponised manner.I am curious about their lifespans.These are just a few of the massive obstacles to disclosure....simply because from Bigfoot we will learn how our own Telepathy was shut down 1/2 way and how our lifespan was modified or severely shortened.

originally posted by: one4all
All they did in that video was destroy the path of least resistance to discovering exactly where the remains or bones and skulls are buried.

John Green and Rene Dahinden and are on film supporting the killing of at least one of these creatures as proof of their existence. If they knew the bodies were there then why would they not dig them up and gone public with the proof?

All they had to do was wait a few years and then they could prove it to the world by showing everyone the Bigfoot skeleton that they just found as proof of their existence.

Bob Gimlin Responds to Massacre THEORY:

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New update:

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a reply to: one4all

Bring some clear photos and video of Big Foot back to ATS if they're so easy to find.

originally posted by: game over man
a reply to: one4all

Bring some clear photos and video of Big Foot back to ATS if they're so easy to find.

Bring your arse and equipment here and do it yourself.

If you are interested in finding them just ask me questions and if I can help you I will.

Its not rocket science and beside there are many many absolutely real photos and videos online already...whats the point of beating a dead horse.

a reply to: spiritualarchitect

Its hard not to believe Bobs testimony.

Fact is that I don't care if Bob fired a shot or if he did not fire a shot.....I believe he is complicit in the bigger picture....loose lips sink ships and Bobs an Olde Dog.....I think he is likely telling a lot of truths but that he is omitting the bigger truths he also knows.

These men will soon pass along and we will only have their words....and we seem to have these words.

To me the Patty Film is a stand alone piece of evidence that is indisputable....the applications of EVOLVING TECHNOLOGIES as the years have gone by have solidified the contrast between the technology used then and what we now use to forensiclly parse the old tapes.The Patty Film has been 100% validated as real and genuine what we have seen of it anyways.

I have had personal up close experiences that run back 30 years.

Where I live you can go pick up McDonalds Take-Out food for lunch to enjoy 5 minutes away while you hunt.

For me its about the whole enchilada....its about doing the best Documentary on Bigfoot in History......its about documenting multiple Clans over a long enough period of time for people to connect to them as a Race not a Species.

Its about Planes Trains and Automobiles....no boats......lol....Drones required.

You see you don't need to see Bigfoot to believe Bigfoot exists as a real living Thing....you may not be willing to label it but you cannot in any way shape nor form deny it once you immerse yourself into the deep waters of the constellation of peripheral evidence all around us.

Once you learn to read their signs you can easily identify where they habituate.

I have hunted a lot...I have stalked and touched a sleeping Whitetail Doe.....no offense to the HowtoHunt guy I like a lot who is clearly a Professional ..well.... he can bite me...because I as a former Big Game Hunter with Specialised Survival Training and Specialised Full-Facet Firearms Training ….I can say that there is no way on Gods Green earth that he knows anyone who has done that....I like to start relationships off with a BANG....see we are going to fight it out right off the bat Guaranteed or hes not worth his salt because NOBODY DOES THAT.....except ME>

What I am saying is that you have to know the Forest AS GOOD AS BIGFOOT DOES...and that is very very POSSIBLE TO ACCOMPLISH.....taking clear pictures and video of Bigfoot is much much more difficult....the problem is this...do you REALLY WANT TO GET UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL with Bigfoot?
Can you handle it?

The experience is Enlightening,Humbeling,Terrifying,Gratifying,Amazing,Paradigm Altering.Emotionally Magnetising,Confusing,Addictive,Reflective,Proetective…….Dangerous.

I made the grave error of getting into a literal turf war with a Clan in my Area not so long ago....it was over Berries and Mushrooms...they were absolutely mowing down all the wild food in the area.....so I started urinating in their Beds and Observation Hideouts and on their sign Posts which I would move and knock over and mess with....twas a bad idea...I stopped doing it but at least one of them remembered and held a grudge.....I later traded multiple times with them...and received different trade items from fresh dead mouse to fresh big mushroom to palm sized rose colored quartz in an area I have hunted Quartz in for over 40 years and never saw such a sample.

But things happened,major construction in the area and transient Bigfoot coming through causing havoc.....and I decided to back off completely.

I do still however frequent one of their Bathroom spots...which happens to have 4-5 different kinds of local Apple/fruit/berry trees all in one spot....lol...lol...which anyone who knows the Forest knows is wayyyy out of place....lol....lol....its at the top of a massive hill that is nearly complete vertical climb and about 1/2 to 3/4 mile long that leads to the top of a ridge which hides a small hidden Enclave where they go to hide and sleep safely....they get to the top of the Hill and need to do their business before they go to their Sleeping Areas.Like I said you have to know the Forest at least as good as they do....then they make a huge mess you can easily see.

Last year they tried hiding Mushrooms from me in one of their Horticulture areas they had Gated off by covering them with long strips of Bark....lol....lol...I got the hand print of a little one and huge finger prints of a big one on the bottoms of Birch Polyspores they covered up with the Bark . They are awfully smart.

originally posted by: one4all
a reply to: spiritualarchitect

I made the grave error of getting into a literal turf war with a Clan in my Area not so long ago....it was over Berries and Mushrooms...they were absolutely mowing down all the wild food in the area.....so I started urinating in their Beds and Observation Hideouts and on their sign Posts which I would move and knock over and mess with....

You talk of the Sasquatch in prior posts with a level of knowledge and respect yet ultimately decide to pee in the very places they sleep? Knock over their structures and signs? Over berries and mushrooms because why exactly? Something you can easily go buy in a store because that is the world in which you live and come from and instead you desecrate their living spaces?

You lost all credibility with me as a reasoned and sound person. I wonder how much you would like for someone to walk into your house and pee in your bed and take the food from your refrigerator.

You're right. They are very easy to find. I have given my friends coordinates just by looking at maps in their local areas and told them where to go look and sure enough a few hours later they are sending me pictures of various structures asking me how the hell did I know something would be where I told them?

Yet not once did it ever occur to me to be so invasive as what you have done by desecrating the very place they habituate. You are no better than the others you seem to hold such a high disregard for.

originally posted by: Case74282

originally posted by: one4all
a reply to: spiritualarchitect

I made the grave error of getting into a literal turf war with a Clan in my Area not so long ago....it was over Berries and Mushrooms...they were absolutely mowing down all the wild food in the area.....so I started urinating in their Beds and Observation Hideouts and on their sign Posts which I would move and knock over and mess with....

You talk of the Sasquatch in prior posts with a level of knowledge and respect yet ultimately decide to pee in the very places they sleep? Knock over their structures and signs? Over berries and mushrooms because why exactly? Something you can easily go buy in a store because that is the world in which you live and come from and instead you desecrate their living spaces?

You lost all credibility with me as a reasoned and sound person. I wonder how much you would like for someone to walk into your house and pee in your bed and take the food from your refrigerator.

You're right. They are very easy to find. I have given my friends coordinates just by looking at maps in their local areas and told them where to go look and sure enough a few hours later they are sending me pictures of various structures asking me how the hell did I know something would be where I told them?

Yet not once did it ever occur to me to be so invasive as what you have done by desecrating the very place they habituate. You are no better than the others you seem to hold such a high disregard for.

I am honest about my learning curve....smarten up and stop attacking people for no good reasons.....I clearly illustrated that my actions were regressive not progressive and I was not a Bigfoot believer I was just begining to learn. I was in a resource battle with someone I could not see .

Don't be so foolish as to believe you are Bigfoots Guardian or Friend when you arbitrarily attack other intertested People like you just did.

Bigfoot is as likely to rip out your liver and have a snack on your arse as it is to walk away and leave you alone wondering if its real ....and your women and children are at high risk at all times....smarten up....Bigfoot is dangerous to its core like Humans are.

Furthermore these are Urban Bigfoot who in retrospect need to be driven away from the Cities they habitually live in.

No kidding you can find them easily.So can Hunter Killer Teams who I do not want wiping them out.

If enough People peed in their cornflakes they would move on.So stop it....stop trying to put Bigfoot before Humans...it will not help preserve the Species.

In addition....if you do enough interaction you WILL experience fear and trepidation...if you are serious about helping the Species then you need to start acting serious.

I don't hold disregard for other People just their behaviours sometimes.

People are feeding these Bigfoot freaking Pumpkins and Mackeral with Pepperoni on dinner plates for gods sakes...I do not want to be ripped up by an angry ignored Bigfoot who has lost his treat giver.....game cams stuck on trees everywhere for goodness sakes.

I have stopped researching in my area because of the dangers and so should a lot of other people.

You should stop sending People to habituation areas its to dangerous do more research and try to stop romanticising Bigfoot before you get someone killed.

There is no soft-solution to this dilemma.

Either a live Bigfoot or Clan must be captured and displayed..or we must have complete bodies to research....but anyone who has done diligent research already knows Bigfoot has extra-sensory abilities and is in some way related directly to us....its not debatable....its not Industry like logging or mining that suppresses Bigfoot its Science Medicine and Religon working in unison.

On the desecration note...sorry to wake you up but this is real....and I am not giving up my Berries nor Mushrooms nor Tubers to a bunch or hades raising transient Bigfoot....its just the way it is and has always been....Bigfoot and People have lived alongside each other forever....in many ways we compete.

These are not "rare" creatures by any means.

We are not protecting the last DoDo bird here ok....this is historically and currently a going concern.

If you want to help Bigfoot then help me find someone with a lot of money and true interest so a proper Documentary can be made...or so a proper zoological expedition can be financed to capture one or more of them.

If the financing is from a White-Knight no one can be retroactively punished for helping by whoever has been suppressing things.....but the only reasonable way to end this data suppression is to bring in live ones....and with todays Internet live streaming and data exchange it can be done in real-time with millions of witnesses to stop anyone from covering it up.

Its just a matter or money logistics and the right people....and Kidnapping a Clan is a lot worse offense than piddeling in their livingroom…..but as we see it is a required action.

I don't send People to Bigfoot habituation areas unprepared ….its dangerous to do.

I bonded with my Cat ok....I know People can easily bond with Bigfoot....but reality must remain a priority and reality says without formal recognition this Species is in danger.We neeed to be willing to break a few eggs to get this Omlette made ok.....and some Bigfoot will be martyrs for their Species but we will release them we wont keep them in a Zoo.

By the way...do you even know how Bigfoot uses his own Urinating skills with Humans?...do some research ok...they started it....lol...lol.