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Facts About This Virus too many ATS Members Simply Want to Ignore.

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posted on Apr, 13 2020 @ 08:40 PM
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originally posted by: NorthOfStuff
And we know absolutely nothing trustworthy about the Chinese numbers.

We can't be sure about any of the numbers anywhere because the testing and labeling procedures are not standardized.

So that being the case, it seems like our response should have been cautious but not panicked. But of course with the Internet echo chamber up full blast, an election year happening, and a lot of people who have just been creaming for an apocalypse to nudge then out of their dreary lives, we couldn't let that happen, could we?

We had to cripple the world economy without ever being able to know for sure if what we did ultimately made a difference or not.

Since it looks like the boy cried wolf with this one, it doesn't bode well for the next one.




posted on Apr, 13 2020 @ 08:41 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Who needs science when there is a political advantage to be won during a pandemic? or something....?



posted on Apr, 13 2020 @ 08:42 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

The topic itself is insulting...


I guarantee that the claim that more people have had or have it is 100% correct.



posted on Apr, 13 2020 @ 08:45 PM
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Wouldn't you rather listen to someone who specializes in something besides general surgery? and is a part of a plastic surgery group


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Dr. Duc Vuong, MD is a general surgery specialist in Albuquerque, NM. He graduated from The Texas A&M University System Health Science Center College Of Medicine and specializes in general surgery.

Oh BTW check out his reviews....

Terrible patient attention, seems to be just a money-grabber with no follow-up or interest at all in patients' well-being. I'm amazed he is allowed to keep his license.
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He is so fast in his office visits you don’t have time to ask good questions. He was rude to my husband. When surgery did not go as planned I never talked to him in post opt and he could not talk to me himself. In fact he told me in an appointment that he would love to take on more patients. ...Read More
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Dr vuong only knows how to perform the sleeve. He's not interested in his patients, he simply wants to be famous for being a surgeon! He's narcissistic and greedy. He's no longer employed as a dr anywhere due to ethical, medical and legal issues!


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posted on Apr, 13 2020 @ 08:47 PM
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Dr. Duc Vuong... He'll feed your need to fear, but your breasts will look fantastic.

ETA:Actually, I smell a rat. I'm sure plastic surgeons are LOVING this lockdown. Millions of Americans unable to hit the gym, stuck at home eating take out and munching junk food out of boredom while watching Netflix. The tummy tuck & liposuction industry is going to experience an unprecedented boom period when this debacle is over. No wonder he's endorsing the lockdowns.
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posted on Apr, 13 2020 @ 08:50 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: putnam6

Dr. Duc Vuong... He'll feed your need to fear, but your breasts will look fantastic.

ETA:Actually, I smell a rat. I'm sure plastic surgeons are LOVING this lockdown. Millions of Americans unable to hit the gym, stuck at home eating take out and munching junk food out of boredom while watching Netflix. The tummy tuck & liposuction industry is going to experience an unprecedented boom period when this debacle is over. No wonder he's endorsing the lockdowns.


LOL actually by his reviews he isn't even good at that either LOL.



posted on Apr, 13 2020 @ 08:52 PM
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originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: putnam6

Dr. Duc Vuong... He'll feed your need to fear, but your breasts will look fantastic.

ETA:Actually, I smell a rat. I'm sure plastic surgeons are LOVING this lockdown. Millions of Americans unable to hit the gym, stuck at home eating take out and munching junk food out of boredom while watching Netflix. The tummy tuck & liposuction industry is going to experience an unprecedented boom period when this debacle is over. No wonder he's endorsing the lockdowns.


LOL actually by his reviews he isn't even good at that either LOL.


So then "your breasts will look cockeyed" seems to be more appropriate.



posted on Apr, 13 2020 @ 08:55 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6

Yet you base your arguments on CLAIMS that Coronavirus would have killed hundreds of thousands or even millions... that's a huge difference between unproven claims and actual defensible reasons to shutdown the country (of which there are none, but I digress).


I have based my statements on what human right activists from China, and even Iran have been saying, meanwhile you are part of the group of people whom wants to believe the lies from China's Communist Party.

How Wuhan Residents Are Estimating the True Death Toll...And It's Much Higher Than the Official Number

Wuhan has 7 large funeral homes, and according to Chinese people in Wuhan they have a total of 84 furnaces. Then there are the mobile furnaces that China has been using, which are much bigger than the regular furnaces in the funeral homes in Wuhan.


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The mobile incinerators can reportedly destroy up to five tons of waste every single day – and can burn its load in as little as two seconds.

Reportedly the cabin is the size of a 20-foot standard container and has a volume of about 30 cubic meters.

It reportedly has the ability to crush solid waste, then incinerate it, and then purify the smoke.

Reportedly the incinerators have been sanctioned for the use by the Chinese military after a test in Golmud, Qinghai in January.
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China deploys 40 incinerators to Wuhan amid fears of coronavirus death toll 'cover up'

Then there is Iran and their lies about their number of infected and dead. So despite your claims the facts seem to estate a lot more people not only got infected, but a lot more died as well.




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posted on Apr, 13 2020 @ 08:56 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: mikell
Don't forget the regular flu is killing people off at the same time but where's the count?



The death rate from the regular flu in the U.S. is 0.1%

The death rate from COVID-19 in the U.S. as of April 11th was at 3.88%, and it may continue to increase.


Do we quarantine and lockdown for cancer and heart disease? Their mortality numbers are quite high especially in comparison.

How about pneumonia? 40 to 50k death per year. Lockdown?



posted on Apr, 13 2020 @ 09:04 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
I have based my statements on what human right activists from China, and even Iran have been saying, meanwhile you are part of the group of people whom wants to believe the lies from China's Communist Party.


News to me... personally I think China and Iran took advantage of this minor virus to personally kill as many of their own citizens as they figured they could without making it too overtly obvious to the international community. Both countries have been hotspots of antigovernment riots and anger prior to COVID, and both countries are run by left wing dictatorships that get their jollies off genocide... If the CCP said water was wet, I'd question it.

That said, I don't believe those nation's human rights activists any further than I could collectively throw them, either. Different sides of the same coin as far as I am concerned. I was talking about the United States. Coronavirus was never going to kill hundreds of thousands of Americans. We're not a third world #hole like China or Iran, and this virus isn't that potent to begin with. It's slightly more effective than the standard flu, nowhere near the ELE some have run around squawking like a chicken in a hailstorm about.



posted on Apr, 13 2020 @ 09:07 PM
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originally posted by: JinMI

Do we quarantine and lockdown for cancer and heart disease? Their mortality numbers are quite high especially in comparison.

How about pneumonia? 40 to 50k death per year. Lockdown?


Neither cancer, nor heart disease are contagious...

As for pneumonia, if pneumonia is that bad yearly in the U.S. how bad do you think a virus which can causes pneumonia to people with pre-existing conditions, when there are millions of people with pre-existing conditions in the U.S., how bad do you think it can get if "we just let it run through"?

Again, look at the numbers of furnaces China has in Wuhan's 7 largest funeral homes, add to that the 40 large mobile container size furnaces and how they can burn each their total load in 2 seconds. Then remember that reports were that on average they were burning on each funeral homes about 500 people a day for 2.5 months. But you still want to believe the claim from China's Communist Party that they had a total of less than 3,000 dead from COVID-19?...

I guess you believe in Santa Claus too?



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posted on Apr, 13 2020 @ 09:17 PM
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You do know that the numbers they know are drastically flawed, right?

If they only test the people who show up at the hospital and are very ill, then they can make any disease seem to be worse than it actually is.

Don't test anyone for influenza except for the ones who show up and need critical care at the hospital and see what your death toll ends up being for it.



posted on Apr, 13 2020 @ 09:19 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
News to me... personally I think China and Iran took advantage of this minor virus to personally kill as many of their own citizens as they figured they could without making it too overtly obvious to the international community.

Definitely. It likely wasn't created for that purpose, but it sure was a good way to get those annoying protestors out of the streets in Hong Kong just as they were starting to get violent.



posted on Apr, 13 2020 @ 09:21 PM
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It does not cause pneumonia in people with pre-existing conditions. People with pre-existing conditions are only at an increased risk of developing pneumonia if they get it. There is a difference. That's like saying if someone has a genetic predisposition to a certain type of cancer that they *will* get that type of cancer when in reality all it does is increase their risk for it.

As it stands, none of the pre-existing conditions increase your chances of developing a severe illness from WuFlu more than 10% over what it already was and age doesn't start to become a significant factor until you start to get up into your 60s and 70s.

So really, your chances of developing severe illness with pre-existing conditions isn't terrible, just elevated, like it would be with the flu or any other respiratory illness.



posted on Apr, 13 2020 @ 09:23 PM
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The city has seven large funeral homes, and each has been returning the cremated remains of approximately 500 people to their families every day, and yet, the official government figures put the total death count around 2,500.
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How Wuhan Residents Are Estimating the True Death Toll...And It's Much Higher Than the Official Number

If we multiply 7, the large funeral homes in Wuhan, with 500 (the amount of people each funeral home is reporting they have been burning people each day) we get 3,500 people dead in Wuhan each day. Add to that doing this for 2.5 months = 75 days. 3,500 x 75 = 262,500. So only in Wuhan, if we only use the numbers from the 7 largest funeral homes alone about 276,500 people in Wuhan alone were burned because of COVID-19. Then we would have to find whether the CCP sent the 40 containers sized furnaces only to burn infected materials, and not infected people as well.

Chinese human rights activists in China have stated that they had seen how the CCP was burning people alive, but with the virus, and perhaps you can see that even the numbers that we have of worldwide infection and death from COVID-19 is much, much lower, when we take in consideration that China, and Iran had been lying from the start about their numbers of infected and dead.




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posted on Apr, 13 2020 @ 09:26 PM
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Thanks so much for your post, S&F. It’s refreshing to see actual real information that’s not all biased politically and spun. I’m glad to see that some are not running down the rabbit hole. Bill Maher has even come out and stated that it is China’s fault, their leaders, that the virus spread like it did. They had the chance to say something before it got so out of hand. They chose not to. I’m glad to see a post that isn’t another endless conspiracy theory by tin foil hat wearing peeps.



posted on Apr, 13 2020 @ 09:26 PM
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I changed my wording in that statement before you posted this. But anyway, read my last response. In fact the numbers of infected and dead in China alone, surpasses the total numbers we have right now of infected and dead. So the fact is, the total numbers of infected and dead from COVID-19 should be revised up, and not down.



posted on Apr, 13 2020 @ 09:32 PM
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NP, too many people in here seem to be acting as if I want to cause panic, when I am not. Too many people don't realize how bad this is because China and Iran have been lying about how many infected and dead from COVID-19 they have had. There are reports in China of new infections, so it isn't over even in China, and there are reports that people whom have had COVID-19, got it at least a second time around.



posted on Apr, 13 2020 @ 09:38 PM
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You do understand that if you take Wuhan out of the picture for China, the death tolls there look virtually the same as any other Asian country?

Basically, Wuhan is the heart of the outbreak; they always get hit worst. Not only that, the government made it worse by denying that there was a problem for so long, but even so, there are outliers like Wuhan. We see them in Iran, Italy, and NYC -- places where the virus does, in fact, get out of control and behave close to the worst case. In those places strict measures are likely appropriate.

But in most places, this virus is much more mild than we were told to expect. Even in NYC, it hasn't overwhelmed the medical system so badly that they've run out of ventilators although their manpower is seriously strained.

What needs to happen is a tailored response, not scorched earth. And yet we behave as if every place is suffering like Wuhan did or like Italy is ... or NYC.

We're destroying the global economy for something that just isn't that bad. The trade-offs aren't going to make anyone happy, nor do I think we're going to like what we're doing to ourselves.



posted on Apr, 13 2020 @ 09:38 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: ketsuko

I changed my wording in that statement before you posted this. But anyway, read my last response. In fact the numbers of infected and dead in China alone, surpasses the total numbers we have right now of infected and dead. So the fact is, the total numbers of infected and dead from COVID-19 should be revised up, and not down.






If 80% of people have no or mild symptoms and a small percentage of the population have been tested you do understand what that does to the statistics?

www.webmd.com...



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