China Announces ‘Preparation for Military Struggle’ with Taiwan

a reply to: purplemer

You mentioned Afghanistan and Vietnam, 2 locations our military had some of the most restrictive rules of engagement in modern history and a big part of why we have those results.

We have not really made war since Korea, the one time we got close to it in Vietnam the Vietnamese agreed to peace talks and signed a deal, we never really unleased the dogs of war in Afghanistan even though we had the people and the machines to do so in country.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: purplemer

You mentioned Afghanistan and Vietnam, 2 locations our military had some of the most restrictive rules of engagement in modern history and a big part of why we have those results.

We have not really made war since Korea, the one time we got close to it in Vietnam the Vietnamese agreed to peace talks and signed a deal, we never really unleased the dogs of war in Afghanistan even though we had the people and the machines to do so in country.

As Zaph mentioned, don't forget about Desert Storm. The last time we really unleashed our military to do what they can do, they kicked so much ass the American media (haven't been on our side since Vietnam) were calling us bullies. Look up "highway of death," where we killed too many of those poor Iraqi soldiers that had just pillaged Kuwait.

a reply to: face23785

Yup working on the A-10 now and we have a pilot in the sq that flew in desert storm that got shot down and was a pow for a bit, interesting guy to talk to.

most if not all of china's military assets haven't been battle tested. they might work well when the targets they are shooting at don't fire back or are programed to go in a straight line. the test will be when they go against manned targets or targets that are remotely controlled that can maneuver and return fire.

plus most of their aircraft i've seen are knock offs of ours, or ones we've gone up against. don't people think we'd know how to exploit any known weakness in them.

hell when they brag they have to use clips from top gun, not very convincing as to the superiority of their aircraft.

Good for the Goose, good for propaganda: China steals Top Gun clip

and before anybody says a youtube video. these are from the Wall Street Journal and CNN. was gonna say communist news network but.... didn't seem right this time.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Now CNN is batting for the Chinese government and their lapdogs, the WHO.

originally posted by: UKTruth


At this stage it's probably worth rolling the dice and taking China (the globalists army) out.

The US military is also a "globalist army."

a reply to: Irishhaf

Yes Afganstian was so restrive that is was actually illegal under international law. Regardless of how you cut it the wars where unjust and most peeps in the world know that. Most that died where women and children.

I do concur that had the restrictions been lighter then the war easier. I guess you could have just nuked them.

a reply to: face23785


America won't come to the aid of Taiwan?


Do you know what started WWI? What country ignited it?

Serbia!

Millions of dead people over Serbia!

Some fanatic killed the Archduke of the Austria/Hungarian empire and that started a war that slaughtered millions!

WWII over Poland.
So don't play down what the US will do if China attacks Taiwan. We don't know for sure.

a reply to: Zaphod58

China may not be starting wars in the conventional sense, but they're pushing neighbors around, laying claim to territory they have no right to, and seizing resources that belong to other countries. That sure as hell doesn't sound like defense.

NOw lets not make stuff up. Name the regions of contention and we can have a look.

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: face23785


America won't come to the aid of Taiwan?


Do you know what started WWI? What country ignited it?

Serbia!

Millions of dead people over Serbia!

Some fanatic killed the Archduke of the Austria/Hungarian empire and that started a war that slaughtered millions!

WWII over Poland.
So don't play down what the US will do if China attacks Taiwan. We don't know for sure.

Do you actually think that proves your point?

Do you know how the US got involved in WWI and WWII? It wasn't when Serbia and Poland were attacked, that's for sure. It was when we were attacked.

Yeah, we will "aid" Taiwan. We won't go to war with China over them though. Full-scale war between the majors powers would be a disaster for everyone involved. We will do our best to avoid it at all costs.

We would not go to war with China or Russia unless one of them attacked us first, or if one of them attacked one of our primary allies like the UK or France. 3rd rate allies like Taiwan are not worth destroying our country over.

a reply to: purplemer

Seriously? They just installed "research bases" supported by the Chinese military on Fiery Cross Reef, which is claimed by multiple countries. They have claimed a "nine-dash line" that covers almost the entire South China Sea.

China and Vietnam.

We are seriously concerned by reports of the PRC’s sinking of a Vietnamese fishing vessel in the vicinity of the Paracel Islands in the South China Sea.

This incident is the latest in a long string of PRC actions to assert unlawful maritime claims and disadvantage its Southeast Asian neighbors in the South China Sea.

Since the outbreak of the global pandemic, Beijing has also announced new “research stations” on military bases it built on Fiery Cross Reef and Subi Reef, and landed special military aircraft on Fiery Cross Reef. The PRC has also continued to deploy maritime militia around the Spratly Islands. China’s Nine-Dashed Line was deemed an unlawful maritime claim by an arbitral tribunal convened under the 1982 Law of the Sea Convention in July 2016, a position shared by the U.S. Government.

www.state.gov...

They reportedly threatened the Philippines after an international arbitration hearing awarded an oil field to the Philippines.

But I'm sure you'll just hand wave this away and continue to claim that China only wants to defend itself. Because they're sweetness and light and promised they'd never do anything like that. Or something.

I was posting such also....scares me now....

originally posted by: Willtell
It’s inevitable that China will attack Taiwan.

Then we will face WWIII, for sure, as the US is a staunch ally of Taiwan.

a reply to: face23785

it's mistaken to think we won't be fighting china if they decide to invade taiwan just because nukes exist, it'll be just like vietnam, korea or 79 afghanistan and nukes wont ever be used, but Americans and Chinese will draw blood by the thousands.

originally posted by: namehere
a reply to: face23785

it's mistaken to think we won't be fighting china if they decide to invade taiwan just because nukes exist, it'll be just like vietnam, korea or 79 afghanistan and nukes wont ever be used, but Americans and Chinese will draw blood by the thousands.

And in any of those conflicts did we ever, directly, go to war with Russia or China?

No.

Did any of those conflicts erupt into World War 3, like one of the posters I've been debating with said?

No.

And nukes don't have to be involved. A conventional full-scale war between us and China would be enormously damaging to both countries. The costs of a conventional war alone are enough that both sides want to avoid that at all costs.

We will not go to war with China over Taiwan. Taiwan is an ally. They're not a critically important one.

Look at it this way, you have lots of friends right? I'm sure there are some more important to you than others. Some you'd bend over backwards to help at any cost to you. Some, if it meant jeopardizing your own safety, you might not make that commitment. It depends how important they are to you. Alliances between nations are no different.

Listening to all you fear mongering, war loving, patriot loving people is really sad! It really is! Sounds to me that some of you are actually excited by the prospect. But hey, that's how you have been conditioned to be!

Firstly, sorry to disappoint some of you, but China will not invade Taiwan. But don't worry, you can still play war games like call of duty to make you feel better.

China is the oldest civilization in the world. You really think they are that stupid to invade Taiwan? As much as some of you would love this to happen, it's not going to happen.

All of of you arm chair soldiers saying America would come to Taiwans aid and easily defeat China. You really think two of the biggest super powers going to war would not drag other countries into it? It would be a ww3, where no doubt another nuke will be dropped (maybe more than one) thst will kill thousands of innocent men, women and children!

This is bloody real life, not a game!

I read threads like this, and it just sadly reminds me how brainwashed and conditioned most people are

a reply to: purplemer

Got it you have no actual idea on what making war means, its not nice its not highly restrictive its nasty its dirty and it gets a lot of people killed.

Hollywood gets it wrong 99% of the time.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: purplemer

Got it you have no actual idea on what making war means, its not nice its not highly restrictive its nasty its dirty and it gets a lot of people killed.

Hollywood gets it wrong 99% of the time.

Amazing isn't it, how people who know nothing about this can come in and think they are experts?

a reply to: face23785

either way i see a taiwan invasion triggering a new cold war and America supporting Taiwanese resistance even if indirectly.

a reply to: Jay-morris
no they aren't dumb but pride and ambitions can make even the smartest do foolish things when they have power and think themselves unstoppable.