Corona Virus Updates Part 6

a reply to: angelchemuel



" Remember the whistle blower in WuHan....he was an ophthalmologist.
Also, being an Aromatherapist, I would not be in the least bit surprised that this 'Thing' is also absorbed through the skin. "


Yeah , that's NICE , but the BIGGER PICTURE is Who Exactly Is BEHIND the Global Release of this Deadly FRANKENSTEIN Bio Weapon Virus to Begin With ? Let me See if you Really ARE a FREE THINKER that I Might Assume , or just Oblivious to the Greater THREAT of Genocidal Extermination of Human Life Around the Globe Right Now......

14 confirmed and 4 probable case in the last 24hours in Aotearoa/New Zealand. Just chilling in.

originally posted by: MonkeyBalls2

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: Irishhaf
So odd thoughts, shouldn't we be just as worried about our eyes as breathing in the virus? I seem to remember from chem warfare training that biological weapons could get in through eyes, ears, mouth, and any openings on the skin.

Could obviously be wildly off base, just a random thought as I left the commissary and some retired guy was giving the airmen at the door heck for not letting him in without a mask.

It's a respiratory virus. It can't get in via the digestive system, ears, eyes, or pores on the skin.

Your eyes are connected to your nose, iirc.
It would probably take liquid transfer though, not just floating particles wafting in the air.

Uhm... no. Eyes and nose aren't connected

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord
So it would seem that the virus attacks T cells and thus destroys the immune system. This virus looks deadly.

www.scmp.com...
Coronavirus could target immune system by targeting protective cells, warn scientists
Researchers in China and the US find that the virus that causes Covid-19 can destroy the T cells that are supposed to protect the body from harmful invaders
One doctor said concern is growing in medical circles that effect could be similar to HIV
The coronavirus that causes Covid-19 could kill the powerful immune cells that are supposed to kill the virus instead, scientists have warned.
The surprise discovery, made by a team of researchers from Shanghai and New York, coincided with frontline doctors’ observation that Covid-19 could attack the human immune system and cause damages similar to that found in HIV patients.

From your link:

Doctors who had seen the bodies said the damage to the internal organs was similar to a combination of Sars and Aids.
The gene behind the fusion function in Sars-CoV-2 was not found in other coronaviruses in human or animals.
But some deadly human viruses such as Aids and Ebola have similar sequences, prompting speculation that the novel coronavirus might have been spreading quietly in human societies for a long time before causing this pandemic.

Maybe it's my ignorance, but that controversial paper that was retrieved that stated that they detected HIV similar genes in the new coronavirus starts to look more and more correct.... I wonder...

Did any of you save that paper and can upload it please? Thanks

www.scmp.com...

a reply to: Byrd
Tear ducts drain to the throat.
My cousin could blow bubbles out of his eyes underwater.

a reply to: Cloudbuster

At this rate their will be no cases in NZ , the economy will be up and running, While some countries are still debating if a full lockdown works.

originally posted by: Arbitrageur

originally posted by: Byrd
It's a respiratory virus. It can't get in via the digestive system, ears, eyes, or pores on the skin.

COVID-19 May Be Transmitted Through the Eye, Report Finds

A new report published by JAMA Ophthalmology found preliminary data may suggest severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), the virus that causes coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), might be transmitted through the eye.

Researchers analyzed data from 38 patients infected with COVID-19 from Hubei Province, China, and found 12 (31.6%; 95% CI, 17.5%-48.7%) individuals had ocular manifestations, including epiphora, conjunctival congestion, or chemosis.

These symptoms commonly occur in patients with severe systemic manifestations of COVID-19 and are consistent with conjunctivitis, or pink eye.

They call it a respiratory virus, then say it might be transmitted through the eye.

You're probably right about it not transmitting through the skin, but you may be wrong about the eye. The expert from S. Korea said what this virus needs to transmit is a mucous membrane, which is not present on the skin, so he confirmed the skin can't transmit it.

This is the same expert from S. Korea video that was posted several times in part 5 of the updates thread. He talks about how the virus needs a mucous membrane for transmission:

You Need To Listen To This Leading COVID-19 Expert From South Korea

starting at 15 minutes in the video:
"You said the virus can infect you through your eyes. (If the virus can get in through your eyes, what's the point of wearing a mask?)

I mentioned eyes, nose and mouth because there are mucous membranes inside them.
These mucous membranes have a receptor called ACE2. The virus has to stick to those receptors. We don't have receptors on our skin. Our skin actually acts as a sort of barrier. The virus can't go through your ears"

There's not much followup on that, and it was associated with pink eye type symptoms. I think that it might (under very unusual conditions) be found in the eye and even infect the eye, but I don't think that it's transmitted that way.

I'd like to see more robust evidence than the single report.

originally posted by: Byrd

It's a respiratory virus. It can't get in via the digestive system, ears, eyes, or pores on the skin.

In the digestive system, besides esophagus upper and stratified epithelial cells, ACE2 was also found in the absorptive enterocytes from ileum and colon, the most vulnerable intestinal epithelial cells. In microbe infections, the intestinal epithelial cells function as a barrier and help to coordinate immune responses[35]. The absorptive enterocytes can be infected by coronavirus, rotavirus and noroviruses, resulting in diarrhea by destructing absorptive enterocytes, malabsorption, unbalanced intestinal secretion and activated enteric nervous system[36-38]. Thus, we suppose that the enteric symptom of diarrhea might be associated with the invaded ACE2-expressing enterocytes. In addition, due to the high expression of cell receptor ACE2 in esophagus upper and stratified epithelial cells and absorptive enterocytes from ileum and colon, we suppose that digestive system can be invaded by 2019-nCov and serve as a route of infection.

The digestive system is a potential route of 2019-nCov infection: a bioinformatics analysis based on single-cell transcriptomes

As far as I know antibodies to corvid 19 may be found in people who have already been exposed and have recovered. However a lot of people are said to have no symptoms meaning they didn't know they had the virus.

I wonder if people who have been infected with corvid 19 and have antibodies to try and fight off the viral infection are spreading the virus.

There is some information coming out about reinfection or dormancy of the virus once someones antibody count is lowered.

Could people having herd immunity become super spreaders because they have some antibodies so they feel fine until their immune system collapses as the virus continually attacks T cells causing them to experience reinfection over and over again.

There have also been reports that after recovery antibody count is lower.

Then mutation comes to mind as there are multiple strains of corvid 19 going around in the USA meaning if people gain antibodies to one mutation they will still be vulnerable to other mutations. Keep in mind the virus has mutated 1000s of times. I remember reading that a Chinese family living in an apartment all had corvid 19 and for each family member the virus mutated in a different way. Scary stuff

Infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci says a Covid-19 antibody test is coming 'in a week or so.' CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta explains what the science behind that testing means.

a reply to: redpassion

Uncanny similarity of unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV spike protein to HIV-1 gp120 and Gag

www.biorxiv.org...

Looking through the discussion about this people claimed that other things had closer matches to the inserts on an individual basis. The question of whether anything other than HIV had a closer match to all 4 inserts at once was avoided, so I am guessing nothing does.

Good news


Gilead Announces Successful Trial for Its Coronavirus Drug


www.thestreet.com...

The majority of patients with severe coronavirus symptoms using Gilead's remdesivir showed "clinical improvement" in a compassionate use trial the company said.

This is a real scientific clinical trial not anecdotal word of mouth testimony.

Biotechnology titan Gilead Sciences (GILD) - Get Report Friday announced a successful trial of its antiviral drug to treat the coronavirus -- remdesivir

The results came from a cohort analysis of 53 hospitalized patients suffering severe coronavirus symptoms who were treated with remdesivir on an individual compassionate use basis. The drug hasn’t been approved for general use by the Food and Drug Administration.

“The majority of patients in this international cohort demonstrated clinical improvement and no new safety signals were identified with remdesivir treatment,” Gilead said in a statement.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Cloudbuster

At this rate their will be no cases in NZ , the economy will be up and running, While some countries are still debating if a full lockdown works.

Yes, and if they're careful about what's let on and off the island.

In many areas this is not entirely possible.

a reply to: Willtell

This is a real scientific clinical trial

No it isn't. There were no blinds and there were no controls.

Your source:

"We look forward to the results of controlled clinical trials to potentially validate these findings."

originally posted by: jadedANDcynical

originally posted by: Byrd

It's a respiratory virus. It can't get in via the digestive system, ears, eyes, or pores on the skin.

In the digestive system, besides esophagus upper and stratified epithelial cells, ACE2 was also found in the absorptive enterocytes from ileum and colon, the most vulnerable intestinal epithelial cells. In microbe infections, the intestinal epithelial cells function as a barrier and help to coordinate immune responses[35]. The absorptive enterocytes can be infected by coronavirus, rotavirus and noroviruses, resulting in diarrhea by destructing absorptive enterocytes, malabsorption, unbalanced intestinal secretion and activated enteric nervous system[36-38]. Thus, we suppose that the enteric symptom of diarrhea might be associated with the invaded ACE2-expressing enterocytes. In addition, due to the high expression of cell receptor ACE2 in esophagus upper and stratified epithelial cells and absorptive enterocytes from ileum and colon, we suppose that digestive system can be invaded by 2019-nCov and serve as a route of infection.

The digestive system is a potential route of 2019-nCov infection: a bioinformatics analysis based on single-cell transcriptomes

Eh, that one's weak. Unlike other symptoms they haven't actually found a real link. You have to distinguish between "this is the way it was acquired" and the "this happened after the virus overwhelmed the system" scenarios.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Willtell

This is a real scientific clinical trial

No it isn't. There were no blinds and there were no controls.

Your source:

"We look forward to the results of controlled clinical trials to potentially validate these findings."

Gilead Sciences Inc.’s experimental drug for patients with severe Covid-19 infections showed promise in an early analysis, raising tentative hope that the first treatment for the novel virus may be on the horizon.

The report published in the New England Journal of Medicine tracked 53 people in the U.S., Europe and Canada who needed respiratory support, with about half receiving mechanical ventilation and four on a heart-lung by-pass machine. Eight additional patients were left out of the analysis: one due to a dosing error and seven because no information was available on how they fared.

It was still not merely antidotal and was a scientific trial. Maybe not all the bells and whistles of a long trial but they're speeding things up with this and any good news is hope.

www.thestreet.com...

Biotechnology titan Gilead Sciences (GILD) - Get Report Friday announced a successful trial of its antiviral drug to treat the coronavirus -- remdesivir

Gilead Sciences Inc.’s experimental drug for patients with severe Covid-19 infections showed promise in an early analysis, raising tentative hope that the first treatment for the novel virus may be on the horizon.

The report published in the New England Journal of Medicine tracked 53 people in the U.S., Europe and Canada who needed respiratory support, with about half receiving mechanical ventilation and four on a heart-lung by-pass machine. Eight additional patients were left out of the analysis: one due to a dosing error and seven because no information was available on how they fared.

www.washingtonpost.com...

Gilead’s experimental drug remdesivir shows ‘hopeful’ signs in small group of coronavirus patients
Two-thirds of severely ill patients showed some improvement when treated with the antiviral medicine.

This is another controversial paper that was withdrawn. It was from a Chinese university. A partial admission of guilt, without loosing "face"? A sign of division in the CCP? Strange it even got to pre print.

The possible origins of 2019-nCoV coronavirus

In summary, somebody was entangled with the evolution of 2019-nCoV coronavirus.
In addition to origins of natural recombination and intermediate host, the killer coronavirus
probably originated from a laboratory in Wuhan. Safety level may need to be reinforced in
high risk biohazardous laboratories. Regulations may be taken to relocate these
laboratories far away from city center and other densely populated places.

scholar.google.au

The probability was very low for the
bats to fly to the market. According to municipal reports and the testimonies of 31 residents
and 28 visitors, the bat was never a food source in the city, and no bat was traded in the
market

scholar.google.au

Found some other evidence supporting this statement.

Is bat soup a delicacy in China? We debunk a rumour on the origin of the coronavirus

However, our team reached out to several specialists in Chinese culinary traditions, who all said that people in China don’t tend to eat bat meat.

Guansheng Ma is the director of Nutrition and Gastronomy at the University of Beijing.

"According to our research, eating bat meat is more than rare in China. It’s actually unacceptable in Chinese culture."

Our Observer Lu Haitao grew up in Wuhan but now lives in Beijing. He agreed.

"I have never seen bat meat for sale in markets or restaurants in Wuhan or elsewhere in China. I’ve also never heard anyone talk about eating it. For me, eating bat meat is both inconceivable and disgusting."

William Chan Tat Chuen, an expert in Chinese cuisine, is the author of a book about exchanges between French and Chinese culinary traditions. He agreed with our other Observers, though he did say that bat excremement is occasionally used in Chinese medicine:

"Chinese medicine uses bat excrement to improve patients’ vision and to treat dysentery, hemorrhages and diarrhea. It is often mixed into rice porridge or made into a kind of tea. However, I don’t know anyone who has actually used this treatment. Similarly, none of my Chinese friends or family eat bat meat. Chinese medicine doesn’t say anything about eating it.

That said, people in China have a different vision of bats than people in Europe. In China, bats represent happiness and people aren’t disgusted by them."

observers.france24.com...

a reply to: Willtell

Posting different versions of the same story doesn't change the fact that it was not "a real scientific clinical trial ." Those "bells and whistles" are what make it possible to determine if it is the treatment which actually has an effect and how significant that effect is.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Willtell

Posting different versions of the same story doesn't change the fact that it was not "a real scientific clinical trial ."

What do you want me to post? I posted other sources because you insinuated it was a bad source. They are mainstream sources and no one said it was a cure just a hopeful TRIAL. It was a trial!

originally posted by: Byrd
There's not much followup on that, and it was associated with pink eye type symptoms. I think that it might (under very unusual conditions) be found in the eye and even infect the eye, but I don't think that it's transmitted that way.

More research might clarify that, but even if it's just pink eye resulting from the viral infection at first, think about people rubbing their eyes and then with the virus on their fingers touching their nose and or mouth. So it may not stay isolated as pink eye even if it starts that way. There may be other routes to pass from the eye to the respiratory system too.

But I agree research is still scarce at this point and some indications are not yet conclusive.