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Counter argument to dire predictions of coronavirus

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posted on Apr, 9 2020 @ 08:01 PM
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I am seeing effects of the lockdown that are quite troubling. The US is starting to look like the old USSR when life was really bad there. We have massive empty shelves in grocery stores. The resupply food chain is badly broken and the grocery stores look like something out of an old movie about Eastern block countries with starvation problems. Forget basic necessities like toilet paper, I haven't been able to buy any for months now. Unthinkable in the past that this could happen in the US.

I think the "experts" bamboozled Trump into destroying the very fabric of the nation using models that predicted hundreds of thousands of deaths in the US. Which hasn't happened. All the experts based projections on New York City. NYC is NOT representative of the rest of the country. They cram thousands if not millions into little boxes, called subways everyday. I've been on the filthy, nasty, disgusting subways of NYC and they are petri dishes for pandemics. The streets of NYC are nearly as packed as the subways and nearly as dirty. One can not move in NYC without breathing nasty breath from someone inches away from your face. This is not how the rest of the country is and should NOT be the standard by which we shut down the entire country.

I also lived in Nebraska for a few years where my nearest neighbor was over a mile away and the nearest grocery 40 miles away. Places like this exist all over the US and places like this are on ridiculous lockdown orders because the largest city in the state has cases.

Many, many hospitals have lots of empty beds. In my own small city, the hospitals are underwhelmed. Nurses and Doctors are being furloughed because there are no elective surgeries allowed.

What the he-double-toothpicks are we doing shutting down an entire nation because of a handful of major cities whose residents live in petri dishes of filth on a regular basis. I was in Seattle recently and was disgusted at the filth and trash and broken down condition of the airport as I entered it. Trash in heaps and mounds line the city streets, especially under highways and under bridges, it is disgusting and filthy everywhere, replete with poo and pee all over the city streets. How many more of the cities badly affected are simply disgusting petri dishes waiting to pass disease to most residents?

Why punish smaller cities and rural areas and take away their jobs and livelihoods. This makes no sense. Lockdowns should NOT be at the federal level, they should not be at the Governor level, they should be at the local county and mayoral level. Because even Governors ignore the havoc and poverty they are sending the entire state into because of one nasty, dirty, filthy major city in their state.

A New York Times former reporter wrote an excellent article about this:



Alex Berenson has been analyzing the data on the crisis on a daily basis for weeks and has come to the conclusion that the strategy of shutting down entire sectors of the economy is based on modeling that doesn’t line up with the realities of the virus. "The response we have taken has caused enormous societal devastation, I don't think that's too strong a word," he told Fox News in an interview Thursday.
In February I was worried about the virus. By mid-March I was more scared about the economy. But now I’m starting to get genuinely nervous," he tweeted this week. "This isn’t complicated. The models don’t work. The hospitals are empty. WHY ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT INDEFINITE LOCKDOWNS?"
Hospitals, of course, are not empty in places like hard-hit New York City, and tales are widespread of overburdened doctors and emergency rooms. Berenson acknowledged as much in the interview Thursday.


There are measures I am ok with, like keeping little petri dishes we call children out of school until fall. I am ok with medicare/social security recipients being told to self-isolate for their own safety since they are most at risk and the rest of the nation is footing their healthcare bills. I am ok with social distancing recommendations (but not drones patrolling and fines and jail for being closer to another person than 6 feet).

But shutting down the entire economy and allowing people to live like they did when the the old worst of communist dictators ruled Russia and the Eastern block countries? Really?

The media is making things worse and putting Cuomo on TV everyday to convince people in the smallest towns that this WILL happen to them. They purposely create fear and panic because it is good for ratings and they make more money.

The Democrats are salivating at all of this, openly hoping things will be worse so their guy gets elected. They complain Trump hasn't done enough. Done enough, he has shut down the country. What more do they want? House by house surveillance to spy on everyone and threaten to send them to jail or fine them for not obeying the government dictates? This is the sort of thing hard line socialists and communists do to intimidate the population into submission to the government and to prevent any independent thinking and submission to the elite politicians running the collective. Democrats have done as much as they could to destroy every effort the President has made, every step of the way. Complaining when he does something and complaining when he does the opposite they demanded earlier - just making things worse and further dividing an already divided nation.

Trump is doing the best he can, I truly believe that. I also believe he is being given worst case scenario advice by pandemics experts who get off on pandemics as they have been waiting for something like this to happen and practicing for it to happen.

Trump has been hindered at every step by a hostile media and Democrats who have refused to do anything positive to help the situation, just griped and tried to make things worse so they can defeat Trump in the next election, not caring at all about the people in the nation. The offered no good advice one on one that I have heard of at all, or done anything positive to help the nation or the people - except pass a bill when the pressure was so steep they could not refuse - and then packed in as much pork as they could manage.

I believe Trump needs to empower localities to decide for themselves whether or not to lockdown all commerce and movement, based on what is happening in their county or town or city. ONLY when the coronavirus exceeds normal flu levels in their locality. Governors should not even be doing it because they look at their most filthy, disease ridden city and force everyone else to behave like they do in these hell holes of cities that are being overrun because they were always a pandemic waiting to happen.


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posted on Apr, 9 2020 @ 08:09 PM
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originally posted by: The2Billies
I believe Trump needs to empower localities to decide for themselves whether or not to lockdown all commerce and movement, based on what is happening in their county or town or city -


I was with you up to this point, then our paths veered. The DOJ should be prosecuting any and every municipality, county, or state that is violating their resident's Constitutional Rights, period. That's one of the primary reasons the federal government exists. Trump shouldn't be empowering these idiots to violate the Constitution, he should be swinging a 20 lb sledge at any leader's head that believe they have the authority to restrict any American's Right to congregate in exercise of their religious freedoms, choose what private businesses are "essential" and what ones must close or face illegal penalties, and choose what "authorizes" Americans to exercise their Right to be outside of their homes. The only way these rules can be legally applied is either following a declaration of Martial Law or if the individuals being deprived of their liberty have tested positive for a communicable disease or traveled from a foreign location with proven incidents of said disease. In other words, very limited...

POTUS needs to stop these fascists, not empower them.



posted on Apr, 9 2020 @ 08:10 PM
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posted on Apr, 9 2020 @ 08:12 PM
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a reply to: The2Billies


I think the "experts" bamboozled Trump into destroying the very fabric of the nation using models that predicted hundreds of thousands of deaths in the US


For a man who made such a big deal about surrounding himself with the best people, he owns every part of whatever happens.


Which hasn't happened


And that’s the point. If people follow these guidelines it won’t happen. We won’t be dealing with millions of deaths. If the death count from this turns out to be a lot less than what’s projected, it’s because of the measures being taken.

Not in spite of them.

Though I know a lot of people will latch onto a lower death count and scream how this entire thing was overblown.


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posted on Apr, 9 2020 @ 08:16 PM
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a reply to: underwerks

Hegelian Dialect in full effect... manufacture a crisis, apply a "solution," claim a victory lap when the "solution" magically addresses the manufactured crisis.

Sorry, not buying it at all man. Millions were never going to die. If they were then locations that have had more lax applications of the lockdown would be the hotspots and that's simply not happening.



posted on Apr, 9 2020 @ 08:17 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6


Hegelian Dialect in full effect... manufacture a crisis, apply a "solution," claim a victory lap when the "solution" magically addresses the manufactured crisis.


I take it you’re referring to the entire way Donald Trump has handled this?


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posted on Apr, 9 2020 @ 08:19 PM
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a reply to: underwerks

The Media owns every part of what happened.

If they weren’t screaming their hyperbolic warnings from every tower.

Relentlessly pushing flawed data it into the publics head we wouldn’t be here now .
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posted on Apr, 9 2020 @ 08:20 PM
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originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: The2Billies

And that’s the point. If people follow these guidelines it won’t happen. We won’t be dealing with millions of deaths. If the death count from this turns out to be a lot less than what’s projected, it’s because of the measures being taken.

Not in spite of them.


You remind me of "A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court" by Mark Twain. If you will remember, he knew from his almanac that an eclipse was about to occur. He suggested to his captors that if they did not release him he would darken the sun. Of course they did not, and along came the eclipse. He said he would bring back the sun if they released him. In a panic they did and lo and behold, the sun returned.

Obviously, cause and effect. He got the credit. You can bet the politicians and those who insisted on these draconian measures will claim credit if the virus lets loose--whether their actions had anything to do with it or not.



posted on Apr, 9 2020 @ 08:22 PM
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originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: burdman30ott6


Hegelian Dialect in full effect... manufacture a crisis, apply a "solution," claim a victory lap when the "solution" magically addresses the manufactured crisis.


I take it you’re referring to the entire way Donald Trump has handled this?


Not limited to him at all. I'm referring to the way most of the west has handled this combined with the moronic voices chorusing beneath them, encouraging them to do so.

Trump was on the proper path on this until 3 weeks ago and for some reason he started listening to fear obsessed imbeciles and lost his way. If he can find it again, maybe the damage done can be mitigated and we can quickly rebound from it.
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posted on Apr, 9 2020 @ 08:24 PM
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Had China not signifcantly underplayed the figures and severity of the virus, maybe world leaders could have acted sooner, on the right information.

Trouble with politics is damned if you do damned if you don't



posted on Apr, 9 2020 @ 08:27 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6


Trump was on the proper path on this until 3 weeks ago and for some reason he started listening to fear obsessed imbeciles and lost his way.


I don’t think he’s listening to the imbeciles . They were winning the propaganda battle so he had no choice .


But since he’s decided to play their game. He’s taken a lot of their fuel out of the fire .



posted on Apr, 9 2020 @ 08:28 PM
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a reply to: Fallingdown

He had a choice, it just would have required a serious short term hit in exchange for winning the long game. In my humble opinion, he became risk averse at the worst possible time.



posted on Apr, 9 2020 @ 08:28 PM
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a reply to: schuyler

It's why they aren''t testing people for the antibodies.

If it becomes known that the "denominator" is higher than previously stated, then their narritive about "social distancing" falls apart.



posted on Apr, 9 2020 @ 08:35 PM
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originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
Had China not signifcantly underplayed the figures and severity of the virus, maybe world leaders could have acted sooner, on the right information.

Trouble with politics is damned if you do damned if you don't


And the media and Democrats at the forefront of this.

Damned when Trump does.

Damned when Trump doesn't.

Damned when Trump does what they suggest, because they forgot they suggested it.

There is not one thing the media or Democrats will ever agree to do with Trump or any Republican that might help the citizens of the country, because they are so entrenched in doing absolutely everything they can to destroy conservatism, even at the cost of the nation.

I think when Trump wanted to open up at Easter, that would have worked.

Opening up now just might save the nation. Even opening at the end of next week.

Going to the end of the month, well the Democrats will have gotten their wet dream, a nation destroyed so they can take over and tell everyone how to live their lives down to the smallest detail, and control their bodies through controlling healthcare, and controlling their speech and thought by legally enforcing the every changing morality of political correctness. They will be thrilled beyond belief if the nation is destroyed and they can take over by blaming Trump because they did nothing.




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posted on Apr, 9 2020 @ 08:50 PM
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This is just the latest assault by the "Any Means Necessary" agenda against Trump.

American Democrats and Democrat organizations and many World governments and World organizations have been "stymied" by Trump and stand to gain from the continuing chaos and devastation.

Strong possibility that the COVID19 is a filtered down bio-weapon released in multiple locations at strategic times.

China as well as other Governments will sacrifice their own for the NWO !! 👿



posted on Apr, 9 2020 @ 08:53 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

He could have stood his ground on any other topic like he always has .

But not on this one because liberals and conservatives alike believe the main stream media’s narrative .

How many people have you tried to discuss this with in real life just to be blown off ?

The reason for the main stream media’s success with their narrative. Is that they’ve put death on everyone’s front door .

People tend to forget their principles when they’re staring down the barrel of a loaded gun . Which is how the main stream media has represented it .

Trumps acting correctly now. Nip at it a little of the time instead of taking one big bite and choking on it .



posted on Apr, 9 2020 @ 09:00 PM
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a reply to: Fallingdown

Friend, I'd square with the Good Lord Himself if He decided to screw with my freedom or my earnings. As far as I'm concerned, this is exactly why I voted for Trump and in the past 3 weeks he's come damn close to failing the very simple role I voted for him to fulfill... an extension of my "F-you" finger to the establishment and the liberal globalist agenda.

I'm not saying I'm no longer supporting him or won't be voting for him in November, I'm simply saying he's dropping the ball right now and it pisses me off. Nobody is perfect, so I was expecting him to stumble at some point, just wish he'd been able to keep his (nearly) perfect streak going through this (we won't talk about the stumble on gun control he had awhile back simply because nothing came of it and no harm, no foul. Same reason I won't get into the stupidity of him supporting keeping DREAMERS in the US... again, nothing came of it. This issue, however, a hell of a lot has already come of it and more is certainly to come if he doesn't stand up and deliver the goods real quick.)



posted on Apr, 9 2020 @ 09:02 PM
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a reply to: Fallingdown

Trump was always going to lose in this.

There was no "win" for him.

But we aren't judged by what knocks us down.

We're judged by how we stand back up.



posted on Apr, 9 2020 @ 09:05 PM
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originally posted by: Fallingdown
a reply to: underwerks

The Media owns every part of what happened.

If they weren’t screaming their hyperbolic warnings from every tower.

Relentlessly pushing flawed data it into the publics head we wouldn’t be here now .


A line from a famous Progressive...



Nothing else to add.




posted on Apr, 9 2020 @ 09:06 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

I agree with you 100%.

But I also wouldn’t count Trump out yet .

Anybody that plays the odds knows when the odds are too deep .

At this point everyone’s acting the surface .

I’d be willing to bet he has a card up his sleeve .


“ good things come to those who wait “


This is a national security issue.

I wouldn’t bet against the intelligence community investigating the origins .

Do you think Michael Atkinson fired over the impeachment only ?




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