Now, were talking. Thanks Byrd. You raise valid and well
researched points and I really appreciate that. It shows
that you are serious and sincere in your efforts to discuss
this.
I will take your main points one by one:
Mercury in Ancient India:
Your first apprehension is whether the ancients Indians
knew how to extract mercury. I will put this to rest immediately,
referencing to Indian metallurgical and alchemical sciences,
as Mercury was considered to be the highest metals. It was called amritadhatu and Rasendra. It was specifically used in Ayurveda for it's healing and
paraphysical properties, and is still used today in modern Ayurvedic medicine.
The sciences of chemistry and medicine was highly developed
by vedic Indians. There are entire existing texts on extracting metals
from the ores, distillation of perfumes, preparations of medicines and poisons and fermentation of wines. Of course it is clear the science of
chemistry was highly developed given the fact that steel and zinc were being manufactured industrially. Which require complex metallurgical processes
to manufacture.
I have covered this in some depth in my original topic 'Proof: Ancient Advanced civilisation existed' the following is a excerpt from it on page
7.
The Sanskrit text, Arthshastra, (which is really a text on political science and government, though also discusses metallurgy) describes how certain
metals were extracted. Tutthodgata, as in silver, was extracted from Tuttha which is refined 17 times to obtain it. Brass as Arkuta and liquid ore and
refers to burning of a metal to produce an eye salve or zinc. The text also discusses how the director of Mining of metals were suppose to examine old
mines and locate new ones by analysing the physical properties of ores and then to establish factories for copper, lead, tin, brass etc.
The Minerals or Rases were divided into two categories: Maha(superior) and upda(subsidary) The Maharasa were known as Abhra(Mica),
Vaikranta(Kimberlite dust), Masika(Pyrites), Vimala(Chalcopyrite), Adrija(Bitumen), Sasyaka(Copper Sulphate) and Capala(Zinc Carbonate) while mercury
was called Rasendra - the king of the minerals. Mercury was a very important metal in ancient India and was also known as Amritadhatu(metal of
immortality) and Indians claimed through alchemy elixirs could be produced from it.
There should therefore be absolutely no doubt that the ancient Indians knew how to extract and process Mercury.
The Mercury Vortex Engine:
Again, to quote the often repeated translation from the Samaranga Sutradhara
Inside the circular air frame, place the mercury-engine with its solar mercury boiler at the aircraft center. By means of the power latent in the
heated mercury which sets the driving whirlwind in motion a man sitting inside may travel a great distance in a most marvellous manner. Four strong
mercury containers must be built into the interior structure. When these have been heated by fire through solar or other sources the vimana (aircraft)
develops thunder-power through the mercury.
The power is latent within the Mercury
The mercury-engine is placed inside a circular air frame
It contains four containers/chambers built into the interior structure for the Mercury.
The mercury is then heated by solar rays which develops thunder power
This sets a whirlwind motion and develops thunder power from the latent power in the Mercury(obviously ejected to produce thrust)
Now, the modern Ion engine by NASA:
solar-electric propulsion engine or solar-ion propulsion engine,.
The engine works by bombarding vaporized Mercury(Cesium and Argon are also used) with electrons from solar cells, which ionizes the gases. The Mercury
vapor contained in the container is released into the ionization chamber, where it is then bombarded by electrons generated by the solar cells to
ionize the gasses which causes it to heat up, which then is accelerated out of the nozzle to achieve thrust.
The power is latent within the Mercury(the ions)
The engine is placed inside the frame of the craft
It contains several chambers/containers built into the interior structure for the Mercury
The Mercury is bombarded electrons, produced from solar rays, which generate electrons that ionises the Mercury vapor and causes it to heat up
This causes the acceleration of hot ionized mercury vapor which is then ejected of out of nozzle to achieve thrust
I have already shown you on before that that this engine works and is nearly identical to the engine recently devised by NASA called the ion engine or
the solar-electric ion engine. You are way off on the solar reactor. The engine works due to the Mercury being ionized by the photoelectrons produced
from the solar rays. However, other sources such as electric fields or nuclear propulsion can be used too. That is that the atoms loses electrons and
becomes a positively charged ion. This causes the mercury to to heat up rapidly, by controlling this reaction and acceleraring the positively charged
ions out of the back of the craft it causes thrust in the opposite direction(Newtons 3rd law) It is really a jet propulsion engine using charged ions
instead of hot gasses.
ion engine
Rocket engine that uses ions (charged particles) rather than hot gas for propulsion. Ion engines have been successfully tested in
space, where they will eventually be used for gradual rather than sudden velocity changes. In an ion engine, atoms of mercury, for example, are
ionized (given an electric charge by an electric field) and then accelerated at high speed by a more powerful electric field.
Source:
www.tiscali.co.uk...
How might an ion engine work? -- DAA, San Diego, CA
One possible ion engine uses mercury as a propellant. The mercury starts as a liquid in a small tank, but its atoms slowly evaporate to form a
low-density gas. An electric discharge through this gas, such as occurs inside a fluorescent lamp, knocks electrons off some of the mercury atoms.
When a mercury atom loses an electron, it becomes a positively charged mercury ion and can be accelerated from the discharge by electric fields. In
the ion propulsion engine, an electric field extracts and accelerates the mercury ions toward a hole in the side of a spaceship. The mercury ions are
ejected into space at enormous speeds. As they accelerate, the mercury ions exert reaction forces on the engine and these forces are what propel the
spaceship forward. Overall, the mercury ions accelerate in one direction while the spaceship accelerates in the other direction. To keep the spaceship
electrically neutral, the engine also ejects electrons into space. However, mercury ions provide most of the engine's thrust.
Source:
rabi.phys.virginia.edu...
There really should be no doubt that this engine works. What is more important that this engine has been flown and documented and witnessed by a large
crowd of people. One, including the Maharaja of Baroda, who was also knighted.
The Vimana Schematics
I have already covered this and I honestly feel you have wasted your
time analysing those schematics. I see many are laughing at them,
but what you don't seem to know or notice, I am laughing at them too.
You will get absolutely no argument from me on whether they can
fly or not.
Likewise, the the Indian researchers at ADA are not taking
them seriously either:
But between 1919 and 1923 there is evidence of ‘add on’ textual content to the work in the form of description and diagrams of four types of
representative vimanas--Sundara, Shakuna, Rukma and Tripura vimana. The work of making drawings was entrusted to a draughtsman T.K. Ellappa working in
an engineering school. The drawings were prepared by him and appended as approved by Sri Subbaraya Shastry on 2nd December 1923. This is the last
occasion that any material went into the Sanskrit transcript.
General Remarks on Vimanas diagrams and drawings:
· Inclusion of diagrams and drawings was an add on activity by Sri. Shastriji from 1919 – 1923 AD. This was done through a local draughtsman under
the pandit’s guidance. It is difficult to accept that this process also was under the divine influence. It appears that in projecting the contents
of the work through pictures and drawings their own interpretations seem to have influenced. Possibly this has corrupted narration to some extent. We
are therefore not inclined to accept the drawings till further study. It is learnt that attempts are under way to build a prototype of one of these
vimanas by a researcher in Hyderabad.
So, where is the issue, when neither I or the ADA are arguing for the diagrams. We are not. Here is why, it's obvious, but obviously not obvious
enough:
* The diagrams were not a part of the original channeled text. They were not psychically inspired.
* They are not drawn by Shastri, but by a local druaghtman.
* Shastri is not a technician or an engineer.
What Shastri did, is what anyone of us would do if we received and wrote such information. We would try to interpret it. As Shastri was not an
engineer or technican, his best bet was to seek the assitance of a local
engineer or technician. Now, if the vimana required a microprocessor. There would be no terms to express that in that time. So, the engineer might
just write circuit board.
Had these diagrams/schematics been present in the original channeled text. Then it would have been an issue indeed. It would have become quite
difficult to resolve the discrepancies of the empirical evidence of the materials developed.
However, this is not the case. On the contrary, Sanskrit linguists have been able to verify that the author is indeed Maharishi Baradwaja by comparing
his other texts. There are also dozens of references to other ancient texts and authors of the time. One such text is Baradwaja own text on cosmology
and radiation spectroscopy, Ansu Bodhini, and this text is stored at India's Oriential institute library and is not a channeled text. How do you
explain that?
Again, remember, a text called "the science of aeronautics" is known to have existed in the 10th century. Also know that the VS is not the only text
that discusses aeronautics.
There is quite a large body of interconnected evidence. The VS does not stand on it's own.
To truly debunk the VS, you really need to prove that all the organizations working on VS, all the researchers and scientists are lying. As that is
what the VS is based on - expert studies. However, as there are so many organizations involved and this material has even been published in India's
most oldest and prestigious science journals.
You could only make a case that highest of Indian scientific and scholary community are involved in a conspiracy. To debunk this conspiracy - you will
need to fabricate another. That is very ironic, isn't it?
If you are going to claim this, and I don't think you are, as you are obviously more sensible than most in this thread, then you might as well go all
out and claim everything, not just the VS, but everything by India's scholary and scientific community - is all a lie.
Because, my evidence is based on the research of Indian scholars, experts, scientists, technicians. You could even go as far and say that Ayurveda,
binomial theorem, calculus, algebra, atomic theory and the discovery of the urbanized ancient cities is also a lie. After all, it is the same people
involved - the general group called Indian researchers.
[edit on 28-3-2005 by Indigo_Child]
