What if.

a reply to: scraedtosleep

One thing that I am happy about the quarantine is the closeness my family has gained.
My kids are closer together than ever.
My wife and I haven't had any arguments or anything.

Neighbors were checking in with us, asking if we needed anything.
The toughest challenge has been agreeing on what to make for dinner.

a reply to: scraedtosleep

This is why UBI will fail.

I pay Kevin 10 dollars to make my widgets.

Kevin now gets 10 dollars from government.

So now I have to pay Kevin 20 dollars to make my widgets.

The price of widgets increases to cover the new costs to making them.

Government taxes me more to pay for Kevin's 10 dollars also.

So now we have inflation because of all the new money.
The dollar is devalued.
I am taxed more.
And widgets cost twice as much.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: scraedtosleep

This is why UBI will fail.

I pay Kevin 10 dollars to make my widgets.

Kevin now gets 10 dollars from government.

So now I have to pay Kevin 20 dollars to make my widgets.

The price of widgets increases to cover the new costs to making them.

Government taxes me more to pay for Kevin's 10 dollars also.

So now we have inflation because of all the new money.
The dollar is devalued.
I am taxed more.
And widgets cost twice as much.

You could always 'Be Like Kevin'...

Shut down your widget company.
Fire your employees.
Get your own UTI.

Modern society will just become a bunch of video game critics and food tasters. But who will make the computers and/or cook the food? No one.

Challenge: Plugged sewer
Solution: Move

Challenge: Road needs repairs
Solution: Take a different road

Challenge: Need a skilled trade
Solution: **crickets**

And pretty soon there will be no more houses to move to, no more roads to take, but there will be 50 billion reviews on COD-2040 Green Team Alpha - The Beginning.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
What if the ubi happens here in america and it works.
It's a huge success and because of that usa citizens are free from the
stress and worry we have about buying the things we need. Food, shelter, clothing.

Now when we work it's to gain something we want or because we like what we do.
Our children grow up as better humans because we are with them teaching them more often.
Backyard gardens become the norm. A return to family closeness and community.
More and more people turn to making art and entertainment in their free time
The usa experiences a new renaissance. Thus leading the world to do the same.

Stranger things have happened. I can dream can't i.

Is being away from home 8, 10, 12 hours a day and the stress of having to work # jobs just to feed your kids
a bigger problem in this world than we realize?

It's seeming like you are younger and idealistic, I remember feeling how everything would be better, if everyone had everything that they needed...

Then I had kids...

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: scraedtosleep

This is why UBI will fail.

I pay Kevin 10 dollars to make my widgets.

Kevin now gets 10 dollars from government.

So now I have to pay Kevin 20 dollars to make my widgets.

The price of widgets increases to cover the new costs to making them.

Government taxes me more to pay for Kevin's 10 dollars also.

So now we have inflation because of all the new money.
The dollar is devalued.
I am taxed more.
And widgets cost twice as much.

We never really needed widgets to begin with....the entire business was a waste of Global resources....hopefully the impacts result in no more widget Factories we do not need ….just like the Cupcake Shops and all the other businesses we do not need.

originally posted by: one4all
We never really needed widgets to begin with....the entire business was a waste of Global resources....hopefully the impacts result in no more widget Factories we do not need ….just like the Cupcake Shops and all the other businesses we do not need.

Glad we don't live in your totalitarian world where you get to decide what we need or don't need.

How about you worry about you and let us worry about us?

originally posted by: one4all

originally posted by: FauxMulder

originally posted by: one4all

originally posted by: FauxMulder
a reply to: scraedtosleep

What if the majority of people decide the UBI is better than working at all and they run out of other peoples money?

What if there is no money for "special people" to hoard?....what if we say that no one is better than anyone else.Ever…..lol...the only ones butt-hurt would be the rich whose fiat money disappears with a single click forever and the global playing field is levelled in one fell swoop.

Weird plan, comrade.

you forgot to Capitolise "Comrade" did you not?

Meh, communist aren't worth hitting the shift key.

Maybe Ctrl Alt Del

How many Trillion are we in debt ? Can people even grasp the size that is ? Fiat money, no backing, written on debt.


So..... who's funding this Universal Basic Income ? and for how long


www.youtube.com...

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: one4all
We never really needed widgets to begin with....the entire business was a waste of Global resources....hopefully the impacts result in no more widget Factories we do not need ….just like the Cupcake Shops and all the other businesses we do not need.

Glad we don't live in your totalitarian world where you get to decide what we need or don't need.

How about you worry about you and let us worry about us?

Glad we will soon live in a world where we don't see people profiting off of things NO ONE REALLY NEEDS OR DOGMAS NO ONE REALLY WANTS.

How about you cast your vote I shall cast mine and we shall SOON see where the chips fall? Tic-Tok Tic-tok.

originally posted by: Plotus



So..... who's funding this Universal Basic Income ? and for how long

DUH!..."Rich" people!

originally posted by: one4all
Glad we will soon live in a world where we don't see people profiting off of things NO ONE REALLY NEEDS OR DOGMAS NO ONE REALLY WANTS.

Like I said, totalitarian.

How about you cast your vote I shall cast mine and we shall SOON see where the chips fall? Tic-Tok Tic-tok.

You're vote doesn't count in this country, what with you being Canadian and all.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: scraedtosleep

This is why UBI will fail.

I pay Kevin 10 dollars to make my widgets.

Kevin now gets 10 dollars from government.

So now I have to pay Kevin 20 dollars to make my widgets.

The price of widgets increases to cover the new costs to making them.

Government taxes me more to pay for Kevin's 10 dollars also.

So now we have inflation because of all the new money.
The dollar is devalued.
I am taxed more.
And widgets cost twice as much.

Are you saying under my plan would you not enjoy seeing Kevin tazed three time a year. What if I threw in you could taze him?

originally posted by: one4all

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: scraedtosleep

This is why UBI will fail.

I pay Kevin 10 dollars to make my widgets.

Kevin now gets 10 dollars from government.

So now I have to pay Kevin 20 dollars to make my widgets.

The price of widgets increases to cover the new costs to making them.

Government taxes me more to pay for Kevin's 10 dollars also.

So now we have inflation because of all the new money.
The dollar is devalued.
I am taxed more.
And widgets cost twice as much.

We never really needed widgets to begin with....the entire business was a waste of Global resources....hopefully the impacts result in no more widget Factories we do not need ….just like the Cupcake Shops and all the other businesses we do not need.

*laughs*

What if my widgets are ventilators?


*laughs again*

*and laughs some more*

*then coughs*

a reply to: Stupidsecrets

If I could taze Kevin, then that'd be okay.

Because really, everyone hates Kevin.

a reply to: IAMTAT

Get your own UTI.

No thanks.
I had kidney stones before.
A UTI doesn't sound like something I would need.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: one4all

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: scraedtosleep

This is why UBI will fail.

I pay Kevin 10 dollars to make my widgets.

Kevin now gets 10 dollars from government.

So now I have to pay Kevin 20 dollars to make my widgets.

The price of widgets increases to cover the new costs to making them.

Government taxes me more to pay for Kevin's 10 dollars also.

So now we have inflation because of all the new money.
The dollar is devalued.
I am taxed more.
And widgets cost twice as much.

We never really needed widgets to begin with....the entire business was a waste of Global resources....hopefully the impacts result in no more widget Factories we do not need ….just like the Cupcake Shops and all the other businesses we do not need.

*laughs*

What if my widgets are ventilators?


*laughs again*

*and laughs some more*

*then coughs*

In the OP's wonderful 'Tontine' society...the LESS old, sick, people staying alive because of your evil ventilators...the MORE UTI bucks for everyone else.

a reply to: IAMTAT

What if my widgets were Xbox or PlayStation games?

Which Kevin are we talking about here?
The one-eyed Kevin in the first movie, or the two-eyed Kevin in the second movie.
This is important to know.
Minion Rundown

There is a segment on one of Yang's UBI recipients getting I think 2K a month or something from Yang. Very interesting. The guy said he was unemployed, lost his job. He had been unemployed for over a year.

Thing is, he had a sports car in the driveway. So for over a year he sat on his ass when he could have delivered pizzas, groceries or worked for Uber. He did nothing. He said he was using the UBI to live and pay for his daughter's college.

This one segment explains why UBI does not work. He could have worked but refused. His daughter could have joined the reserves one weekend a month for free college or gone to school part-time and work. She also refused.

So Yang was not really helping them at all. They were just helping themselves to his money.