Trump signs ‘space order’ paving way for US to mine Moon and Mars for minerals and water

i can't believe it took til the end of the second page of the thread to get a moon landing hoaxer, ats standards really are slipping smh

originally posted by: LookingAtMars
a reply to: chr0naut

a large solar collector, close to the Sun and beaming the energy to an array of ultra low frequency large terrestrial networked recievers

No need to get close to the Sun Just put the large solar collectors on the moon. Shorter jump beaming it back to Earth.

You don't need high-efficiency solar arrays if you are closer to the Sun. You can skimp on paying for the latest and most expensive tech.

Energy dissipation follows the inverse square law. Intensity is proportional to (1 / distance^2).

A closer distance = massive energy gains.

originally posted by: continuousThunder
i can't believe it took til the end of the second page of the thread to get a moon landing hoaxer, ats standards really are slipping smh

I know, what the hell is going on here? Everything is now about the fake left vs right - divide and conquer.

Not to worry - I will keep up the fight.

originally posted by: LookingAtMars

originally posted by: carewemust
Does America now own the moon and Mars?

Only the parts we land on, plant a flag and claim.

It's a new land rush or gold rush, I hope.

Oh... I was wondering how various nations lay claim to land on other worlds. Thanks!

a reply to: TerryMcGuire
Man has been on Earth for millions of years, and we're still struggling to get to the next planet. Kind of slow, aren't we?

Kids probably like these space initiatives though. I was fascinated by books about space exploration as a kid.

a reply to: LookingAtMars

Even as this may be so, it is not financing, developing, constructing, training and supporting an entire project of making it to the moon to set up not only a base, but a mining facility and then quadruple at least that amount to get to Mars and the astroids.

Why don't we fix the bridges, pot holes, and worn out infrastructure before going back to the moon.

This feels like a trump diversion to get peoples minds off the coming economic collapse.

Another way for the wealthy to get richer. They have used up many standard money grabs on Earth.

I still chuckle when my mind flashes those human predictions of how great the 21st century will be.

A couple of guys hanging out on Mars should improve life on Earth.

a reply to: Phage

1. The moon shall be used by all States Parties exclusively for peaceful purposes.

2. Any threat or use of force or any other hostile act or threat of hostile act on the moon is prohibited. It is likewise prohibited to use the moon in order to commit any such act or to engage in any such threat in relation to the earth, the moon spacecraft, the personnel of spacecraft or man-made space objects.

3. States Parties shall not place in orbit around or other trajectory to or around the moon objects carrying nuclear weapons or any other kind of weapons of mass destruction or place or use such weapons on or in the moon.

4. The establishment of military bases, installations and fortifications, the testing of any type of weapons and the conduct of military manoeuvres on the moon shall be forbidden. The use of military personnel for scientific research or for any other peaceful purposes shall not be prohibited. The use of any equipment or facility necessary for peaceful exploration and use of the moon shall also not be prohibited.

Who's going to look after that, The UN?
They don't have the means to travel to the moon preventing that?
Must be Aliens then?

originally posted by: 0bserver1
Who's going to look after that, The UN?
They don't have the means to travel to the moon preventing that?
Must be Aliens then?

Who's gonna take the US to space? More third party independents?

Maybe, you guys should fix your launch program a whole lot more before you make claims that you can't actually afford to compete in.

As it stands now, this opens it for corporate exploration.

Might as well just give it directly to China. The same guys, the owner of the US ride up, is currently very cozy with.

a reply to: olaru12

I think we should do both. In fact, I propose we refill all the potholes with moonrocks and rebuild the bridges with good ol' fashioned Martian steel.

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I knew the president would jump at being the first space president when Canadian astronaut, Chris Hadfield said it smelled like burnt steak.

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Jokes aside. We're going back to space. That's good news. I'd love to see a rejuvenated STEM initiative and a greater focus on math, medicine, physics, and engineering.

Nevermind all the lobsters that want to hold us down with them at the bottom of the bucket.

a reply to: peck420

As it stands now, this opens it for corporate exploration.

It was never closed for corporate exploration.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: peck420

As it stands now, this opens it for corporate exploration.

It was never closed for corporate exploration.

Elon Musk will take care of it!

Lolz🤪

originally posted by: Phage
It was never closed for corporate exploration.

You require government permission to launch into space. As long as government controls the doors, the rules inside are irrelevant.

a reply to: peck420

You require government permission to launch into space.

Does this EO change that? Which part of it does this?

a reply to: peck420

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including title IV of the U.S. Commercial Space Launch Competitiveness Act (Public Law 114-90), it is hereby ordered as follows:

Section 1. Policy. Space Policy Directive-1 of December 11, 2017 (Reinvigorating America’s Human Space Exploration Program), provides that commercial partners will participate in an “innovative and sustainable program” headed by the United States to “lead the return of humans to the Moon for long-term exploration and utilization, followed by human missions to Mars and other destinations.” Successful long-term exploration and scientific discovery of the Moon, Mars, and other celestial bodies will require partnership with commercial entities to recover and use resources, including water and certain minerals, in outer space. Uncertainty regarding the right to recover and use space resources, including the extension of the right to commercial recovery and use of lunar resources, however, has discouraged some commercial entities from participating in this enterprise. Questions as to whether the 1979 Agreement Governing the Activities of States on the Moon and Other Celestial Bodies (the “Moon Agreement”) establishes the legal framework for nation states concerning the recovery and use of space resources have deepened this uncertainty, particularly because the United States has neither signed nor ratified the Moon Agreement. In fact, only 18 countries have ratified the Moon Agreement, including just 17 of the 95 Member States of the United Nations Committee on the Peaceful Uses of Outer Space. Moreover, differences between the Moon Agreement and the 1967 Treaty on Principles Governing the Activities of States in the Exploration and Use of Outer Space, Including the Moon and Other Celestial Bodies — which the United States and 108 other countries have joined — also contribute to uncertainty regarding the right to recover and use space resources. Americans should have the right to engage in commercial exploration, recovery, and use of resources in outer space, consistent with applicable law. Outer space is a legally and physically unique domain of human activity, and the United States does not view it as a global commons. Accordingly, it shall be the policy of the United States to encourage international support for the public and private recovery and use of resources in outer space, consistent with applicable law.

Sec. 2. The Moon Agreement. The United States is not a party to the Moon Agreement. Further, the United States does not consider the Moon Agreement to be an effective or necessary instrument to guide nation states regarding the promotion of commercial participation in the long-term exploration, scientific discovery, and use of the Moon, Mars, or other celestial bodies. Accordingly, the Secretary of State shall object to any attempt by any other state or international organization to treat the Moon Agreement as reflecting or otherwise expressing customary international law.

Sec. 3. Encouraging International Support for the Recovery and Use of Space Resources. The Secretary of State, in consultation with the Secretary of Commerce, the Secretary of Transportation, the Administrator of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, and the head of any other executive department or agency the Secretary of State determines to be appropriate, shall take all appropriate actions to encourage international support for the public and private recovery and use of resources in outer space, consistent with the policy set forth in section 1 of this order. In carrying out this section, the Secretary of State shall seek to negotiate joint statements and bilateral and multilateral arrangements with foreign states regarding safe and sustainable operations for the public and private recovery and use of space resources.

Sec. 4. Report on Efforts to Encourage International Support for the Recovery and Use of Space Resources. No later than 180 days after the date of this order, the Secretary of State shall report to the President, through the Chair of the National Space Council and the Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs, regarding activities carried out under section 3 of this order.

Sec. 5. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect: (i) the authority granted by law to an executive department or agency, or the head thereof; or (ii) the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals. (b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations. (c) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

This executive order literally means nothing. It's an order for nothing.

As for corporate space exploration, there's already a great many private groups in space. Commercial enterprise was never limited to geosynchronous orbit. Artemis and Blue Moon are both joint projects between NASA and private companies. For the last 22 years, since the ISS has been in orbit much of what happens in space is a corporate venture, not to mention the thousands of private satellites around the planet...

a reply to: AnonyMason

It's an order for nothing.

See Section 4.

It's an order for a report. Yay! A report!

A report on what, I'm not quite sure.

My apologies. I had a bunch of links for one of my posts on the subject saved up, but... beaten to the punchline.

www.parabolicarc.com...
nasawatch.com...

Executive Order Explicitly Opposes Moon Treaty:

spacenews.com...

Trump is seeking support from allies & China for the executive order:

breakingdefense.com...

The Russian Reaction:

www.reuters.com...
nasawatch.com...

a reply to: anzha

Do have any opinion?

Some really interesting "Prime Real Estate" to be fought over...

Places where you can always see Earth and within a few miles, the Earth cannot see you.

Places of perpetual sunlight.

Water, minerals and certainly some exotic craters that may contain Platinum, Gold and Silver.

The rare He3 (global?)