Moon UFOs (Or why would someone fake this)

Looks solid to me

As to those suspecting fake because of thing not aligning consider the distortion

Consider we’ve been traveling to the moon for 60!years

Nobody is saying these craft are extraterrestrials

But this looks solid to me

Best I’ve seen in ages

originally posted by: TritonTaranis
As to those suspecting fake because of thing not aligning consider the distortion

Distortion doesn't change perspective.

To be clear, I am neither saying it is real or fake. My initial reaction based upon many factors suggest to me that it has a good chance of being real and that is as far as I will go, but I'd certainly not put myself in the opinion camp of actual knowing.

I have to laugh at anyone that categorically takes a firm position that they know the reality of something based upon opinion.
Saying "fake" without any reasoning is just noise.
Stating that you're a hobbyist CG guy with bad eyesight, and then asserting that you can clearly see issues seems also contradictory. I don't want to kick dirt on your face either.

Thankfully, I don't really care what anyone else thinks about this video. I listen to opinions of others, and if they sound bunk, then I take nothing from them. If there is some decent reasoning, then I will consider my views and position.

Out of interest, I wonder how many people here (who have asserted a clear position) have actually seen a craft that shouldn't exist from the perspective of "standard reality". I have... in fact, I have been fortunate to have many experiences, and not just tiny lights in the sky, but genuine up close and medium distance viewings.
But I don't care to prove that to anyone, and I don't care whether anyone believes me about it either. Why should I?

However, from my personal position of knowing, I don't have to waste my time on questioning what is possible having witnessed some pretty extreme things that go way beyond the norm.

Let me simply say, that "the other" whatever they are, exist, are not that uncommon, and capturing them on video is also not unlikely. To me, given my understanding of the difficulty in creating convincing videos, I tend to find the notion of hoaxes far less likely these days. They do happen, sure, but in every case where I have suspected it, the surrounding evidence usually gives a clear indication of falsification.
So far, I see little with this one beyond the anonymous originator.

In fact, having watched and rewatched this clip many times now, the problems being stated by others seem to be misdiagnosis. Atmospheric distortion combined with video compression issues (that should not be discounted) can easily account for what you count as evidence of fakery. You need to present some really clear evidence to assert your position if you think it so.

If this was a fake, it would seem a very strange thing to create. Very subtle. Hardly the kind of thing you'd conceive of if you had an idea to make a hoax. That combined with the statement from the guy who recorded it, which seems like genuine seasoned reasoning say this has, in my eyes, some credibility.

You don't have to fully believe it, no one has that certainty, but in no way should anyone be dumping this clip in the hoax bin. The naysayers reasoning here is flawed. They are entitled to their opinion, of course, but from my viewpoint, the reasoning behind their opinions is lacking solid evidence or conveyance of the experience required to actually make a hoax to speak in any type of authority on the matter.

But just to reiterate, I'm not here to convince anyone of anything. I couldn't care less about the opinions of others, about this video and least of all about me. I am merely sharing my thoughts from the perspective of experience. You either reject it or take something from it. It has no bearing on me whatsoever. My opinions can be disregarded in much the same way.

I just think it sad that a video such as this is cast aside so easily by some. I sometimes feel that those people which like to immediately debunk something do so only to make themselves appear as more intelligent than anyone else (living in a state of superior knowing), when really, stating that you don't really know is the most intelligent answer of all.
Certainty would seem naive and overly presumptuous of being in possession of all the facts. All evidence against this being real presented in the pages so far is poor and without detailed analysis, and it should be acknowledged as such.

Word of the day: Apperception

a reply to: ignorant_ape

I love how you speak of rough sketches on scrap paper and calculations for shadow terminators like it's no big thing. Meanwhile, I... uhm... I... forgot where I was going with that... POTATO!!

People will believe it when they'll see a craft landing on the WH front lawn.
My personal opinion is that is real, especially the crafts are flying from the other side of the Moon, which we don't see and we don't know what's there,apart from what BS is NASA saying.
I remember when the video(s) with the UFO over Marmaris Sea in Turkey came out ,which was filmed I think in 2006/2007/2008,if I'm not wrong.
A lot of people came out to say it's fake,because it was filmed by 2 security guards and they don't have credibility. It turned out that the video was/is real,being examined and filtered by specialist in video imaging and editing and they concluded that the footage of an alien craft it was real.

originally posted by: Renegade9
People will believe it when they'll see a craft landing on the WH front lawn.
My personal opinion is that is real, especially the crafts are flying from the other side of the Moon, which we don't see and we don't know what's there,apart from what BS is NASA saying.

Japan sent an orbiter to the moon, so you can get information from Japan if you don't trust NASA.

I remember when the video(s) with the UFO over Marmaris Sea in Turkey came out ,which was filmed I think in 2006/2007/2008,if I'm not wrong.
A lot of people came out to say it's fake,because it was filmed by 2 security guards and they don't have credibility. It turned out that the video was/is real,being examined and filtered by specialist in video imaging and editing and they concluded that the footage of an alien craft it was real.

The moon video in this thread has fake-looking UFOs.

I don't remember people saying the Turkey video was fake, but when you can see the moon after 6 minutes and the photographer focuses on the moon, that also improves focus on the distant lights which don't look like UFOs to me at all, but there is something there, and it's not fake. (Hint, the video is shot in the general direction of a marina).

www.youtube.com...

Here's some analysis of that video.. It doesn't say the video is fake, so your entire argument that people claimed that video was fake were wrong doesn't make sense and seems to have nothing to do with the video that's the topic of this thread.

originally posted by: saladfingers123456
I just think it sad that a video such as this is cast aside so easily by some.

Just to be clear, I never cast aside a case, I just mentally classify them as being more or less likely to be real examples of (select possibilities according to case).
In this particular case, what I see makes me think it's more likely to have been faked than for it to be real.

I sometimes feel that those people which like to immediately debunk something do so only to make themselves appear as more intelligent than anyone else (living in a state of superior knowing), when really, stating that you don't really know is the most intelligent answer of all.
Certainty would seem naive and overly presumptuous of being in possession of all the facts. All evidence against this being real presented in the pages so far is poor and without detailed analysis, and it should be acknowledged as such.

That's interesting, as I think more or less the same about people that act like they are better than the rest because they saw something they could not identify, as if they were "chosen".

But I agree that those that immediately say "hoax" without analysing the data are also acting as if they know everything, as do those that accept anything that appears to support their ideas about UFOs.

Looks very convincing at the very least. I almost always tell myself that such videos are hoaxed, especially new ones, because my instinct tells me so. I want to believe as well.

Are there any methods to better analyze this, like running it through some sort of software? I assume there are certain markers to look for, but again, what do I know? If indeed this is real, aren't those UFO's quite large?

Japan sent an orbiter to the moon, so you can get information from Japan if you don't trust NASA.
And you expect me to trust Japan's space agency because...it's Japan. Every info regarding the Moon and everything involving missions to the Moon and back it's controlled by NASA. Maybe John Lear was right some years ago when he said that NASA controls everything, even other space agencies.

I don't remember people saying the Turkey video was fake, but when you can see the moon after 6 minutes and the photographer focuses on the moon, that also improves focus on the distant lights which don't look like UFOs to me at all, but there is something there, and it's not fake. (Hint, the video is shot in the general direction of a marina).

The comments were made right after the video surfaced and before it was analysed proper by the experts.

It doesn't say the video is fake, so your entire argument that people claimed that video was fake were wrong doesn't make sense and seems to have nothing to do with the video that's the topic of this thread.

It has nothing to do with a topic involving a video of UFOS crossing from the dark side of the Moon towards the bright side? Well people here are saying that their opinion is that the video is fake,so please explain why it has nothing to do with this thread? I've only said that people said about that video that it was fake, same like they're saying about this one,based on their opinions and analysis of those who are more competent in video analysis.

I don’t know if this is fake or real - I’m not a CGI expert, don’t have the equipment to do a full analysis of the video (or know how to), etc.

I have been a student of the UFO subject for some time and in all my reading I can’t recall hearing the rationale of “first crescent/last crescent and during the daytime” to capture activity. It does make some sense though - which is part of what makes me think this video is at least plausible.

Any ATS members have the equipment to capture footage like this? Perhaps it can be recreated.

Then again, that member could just be a hoaxer too - or at least made into one if they actually corroborated the footage

Land on the White House lawn or bust!

After a couple of hours or so with Blender I was able to make a very crude simulation to see how the shadows would behave.
Assuming Blender is right (which I'm sure it is), my idea was wrong, the direction of the shadows doesn't change with the position of the object being closer to the equator or the poles.

Parallel light rays from a distant source (defined as infinity in Blender) project parallel shadows, as seen below.



So that part of my theory about the video was wrong, the direction of the shadows in the video appears to be correct.

originally posted by: JimOberg

The objects appear to be moving about 10 miles/sec, many times faster than moon orbital velocity -- if they are at moon distance. If they are only several hundred feet away they are moving at a few feet/sec.

I came up with slightly different figures, but in general agreement.

Endymion Crater diameter estimated 125 km
Moon diameter approx. 3474 km

So the moon diameter is about 28 times larger than the 125 km crater, in rough agreement with your factor of 24 larger, reasonably close for this kind of estimate.

The normal orbital period for the moon is roughly 2 hours.
These objects, if in orbit would take only a few minutes at most to make an orbit, defying the laws of physics if they were in orbit.

While some non-faked "moon UFOs" are objects closer to the camera like a bug flying by or a droplet of water on the lens (I've seen examples of each type), those objects don't cast the type of shadows seen in this video on the lunar surface. So the shadows would seem to infer objects close to the moon and not close to the camera. Since objects close to the moon moving at the speed seen would have velocities many times faster than lunar orbital velocities, as you say, that's the biggest problem I have with this video.

a reply to: ArMaP

can you " back up " - the orbital paths - till the " objects " are in free space ?

a reply to: ArMaP

Great work. People like you, Jim and Arbitrageur are ATS!

And you expect me to trust Japan's space agency because...it's Japan. Every info regarding the Moon and everything involving missions to the Moon and back it's controlled by NASA. Maybe John Lear was right some years ago when he said that NASA controls everything, even other space agencies.

China, too. Russia, too. India, too. The European Space Agency, too.

Astronaut Gordon Cooper, who was a big believer in UFOs, said that there were no alien ruins seen on the moon – “I went over every inch of the film””. In response to an interviewer's direct question about Fred Steckling's book, he says this at 01:00:30 into the video interview on youtube entitled ."Астронавт США Гордон Купер 26 августа 1995 г в Санкт-Петербурге"
www.youtube.com... "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJMrU8WCeWY&t=1943s"&HYPERLINK "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJMrU8WCeWY&t=1943s"t=1943sHYPERLINK "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJMrU8WCeWY&t=1943s"

And Edgar Mitchell, to UFO convention, at time 10:35
youtu.be...

“I have had no first-hand experience even in the astronaut program, saw nothing on the moon -- no villages no structures etc, like have been claimed, and have had no UFO experiences myself …."

Way to go, NASA coverup forces!

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: ArMaP

can you " back up " - the orbital paths - till the " objects " are in free space ?

Unfortunately, I can't, as I don't know how to do it.

As I said, it took me some two hours just to make a sphere and 3 cylinders and put them in their places, I'm not used to work with Blender.

a reply to: UltimaRatio1

Thanks.

originally posted by: Arbitrageur

...So the shadows would seem to infer objects close to the moon and not close to the camera. Since objects close to the moon moving at the speed seen would have velocities many times faster than lunar orbital velocities, as you say, that's the biggest problem I have with this video.

As I mentioned, my biggest problem is that The lighting/shadows cast of the objects does not match the way the sun is lighting the Moon.

Specifically, the Sun is lighting the Moon from mostly behind it, so that's why all we can see of the lit part is just a sliver of a crescent (most of the lit part of the Moon is behind the Moon).

However, the objects are lit as if the Sun is shining from the side of them and they cast shadows as if they are lit from the side, not from the Sun behind them.

a reply to: ArMaP

sound - no worries - i could not even manage what you has done on comp

The shadows look proper and change lengths as they move across an uneven surface. The saucer shape craft I saw in 1987 was much smaller and I was pushing the limits of my telescope at 200-250x. They where traveling the same direction as the ones in this video shows. I can't prove what I say either. I can't say for certain and vouch for this video, but from what I saw myself there is unequivocally something going on. I am sure over all these years with NASA being in space that they had to seen something. The Moon makes a great hiding place.