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What Socialism Meant to Actual Socialists in Power

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posted on Mar, 31 2020 @ 07:38 PM
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It's good to post this every now and then as a reminder.

"The individual should come to realize that his own ego is of no importance in comparison with the existence of his nation ... the unity of a nation's spirit and will are worth far more than the freedom of the spirit and will of an individual." - Adolf Hitler

"A Communist ... should be more concerned about the Party and the masses than about any individual." - Mao Tse Tung

"To be a socialist is to submit the I to the thou; socialism is sacrificing the individual to the whole." - Joseph Goebbels

"If the nineteenth century was a century of individualism it may be expected that this will be the century of collectivism and hence the century of the State." - Bennito Mussolini


trash philosophy of mass murdering thieves, liars and frauds.




posted on Mar, 31 2020 @ 07:39 PM
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a reply to: JimERustler

You do realize there’s a difference between socialism and communism, right?

And Hitler was neither.



posted on Mar, 31 2020 @ 07:46 PM
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a reply to: underwerks

Oh, right ... everyone who exposes the lie of your beliefs was either doing it wrong or no true Scotsman.

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."



Of course, you'll note that Spock chose to sacrifice himself for others. In socialism, the individual is sacrificed without second thought for the perceived good of the many. A real illustration of the quote would have been Kirk sending in red shirt after red shirt until the reactor was fixed.

How many are there on the whole ship? How many red shirts would die to effect the needed repairs?

The many v. The few


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posted on Mar, 31 2020 @ 07:47 PM
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No, he doesn't realize there's a difference.

He's deep into decades of anti-socialist US propaganda



posted on Mar, 31 2020 @ 07:50 PM
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a reply to: 3sixand9

Both are accomplished through force because not everyone wants to take part.


(post by JimERustler removed for a manners violation)

posted on Mar, 31 2020 @ 07:55 PM
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a reply to: underwerks

Hitler was both and used it to the max 👁️ 😎 👁️



posted on Mar, 31 2020 @ 07:56 PM
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These are the ACTUAL professed beliefs of these people. They were on the same page. You are either stupid, or liars, or both, if you claim Hitler wasn't a socialist. He was a socialist. He was just a nationalist too. Like the democrat party in USA today.

"The wishes and the selfishness of the individual must appear as nothing and submit," declares Hitler in Mein Kampf; a man must "renounce putting forward his personal opinion and interests and sacrifice both..."

Morality, writes Edgar Jung, a contemporary German rightist with the same viewpoint, consists in the "self-abandonment of the Ego for the sake of higher values." Such an attitude, he notes, is the ethical base of collectivism, which demands of each man a life of "subservience to the Whole." Individualism, by contrast - since it grants man the right to pursue his own happiness - rests on the opposite attitude: "Every form of individualism sets up the Ego as the highest value, thus stunting morality..."

The political implementation of "subservience to the Whole," according to the Nazis, is subservience to the state - which requires of every German the opposite of self-assertion. Hence the ruling principle of Nazism, as defined by a group of Nazi youth leaders. The principle is: "We will."

"And, if anyone were to still ask: 'What do we will?' - the answer is given by the basic idea of National Socialism: 'SACRIFICE' "

Since the proper beneficiary of man's sacrifices, according to Nazism, is the group (the race or nation), the essence of virtue or idealism is easy to define, according to them. It is expressed in the slogan "Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz" ("The common good comes before the private good"). "This self-sacrificing will to give one's personal labor and if necessary one's own life for others," writes Hitler, "is most strongly developed in the Aryan. The Aryan is not greatest in his mental qualities as such, but in the extent of his willingness to put all his abilities in the service of the community. In him the instinct of self-preservation has reached the noblest form, since he willingly subordinates his own ego to the life of the community and, if the hour demands, even sacrifices it."

"Du bist nichts; dein Volk ist alles" ("You are nothing; your people is everything"), states another Nazi slogan, summarizing the essence of the Nazi moral viewpoint.

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"Providence," Said Hitler to Rauschning, "has ordained that I should be the greatest liberator of humanity. I am FREEING men from the RESTRAINTS OF INTELLIGENCE that has taken charge; from the dirty and degrading self-mortifications of a chimera called conscience and morality, and from the demands of a FREEDOM and INDEPENDENCE only a very few can bear."
Here he outlined the very CORE of Nazi philosophy in epistemological, ethical, and political terms. To liberate man from intellect, he advocated irrationalism. To rid man of conscience, he advocated for altruism. To free the world from freedom, he advocated collectivism. And that is the core of Nazi belief: Collective irrational altruism. These three theories, together, constitute the essence of Nazi philosophy, which never changed from the start of the movement to today.

Of course, this is the very same philosophy being triumphed from Washington DC and virtually all state and local governments. "GIVE YOUR MASKS TO THE HOSPITALS INSTEAD OF WEARING THEM TO NOT GET SICK BECAUSE IT'S BETTER FOR THE COMMUNITY. SIX FEET OF SEPARATION SHOULD BE FINE FOR ESSENTIAL WORKERS AND SHOPPERS," the media cried, as they ran editorial pieces floating the idea that doctors should give up on anyone over 60 years of age if they arrive with Coronavirus at a hospital, watching the numbers of infected persons soar as a result of their policies.

"See, your problem, America, is that you seek to be intelligent, free, men of conscience. If you wanted to make America great again, you'd voluntarily give up your rights to allow the group to better sacrifice you," said the tyrants in Washington, the state governors, the public health officials, and the local municipalities.
F NAZIS. And any nation taught that in the name of morality, they must reject the pursuit of values can reach no other end-of-trail. Men without values are zombies or puppets - or Nazis.

FILTH



posted on Mar, 31 2020 @ 08:01 PM
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These people want to impose their socialist agenda on you whether you like it or not. I totally agree with you OP. Socialism is all about subjugating the individual to the state. It is disgusting and must be resisted at all costs.
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posted on Mar, 31 2020 @ 08:06 PM
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originally posted by: Metallicus
These people want to impose their socialist agenda on you whether you like it or not. I totally agree with you OP. Socialism is all about subjugating the individual to the state. It is disgusting and must be resisted at all costs.


Both ideaologies killed more in purges and mass starvation than Hitler's holocaust by around... 54,000,000 souls.
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posted on Mar, 31 2020 @ 08:14 PM
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originally posted by: IredBafi

originally posted by: Metallicus
These people want to impose their socialist agenda on you whether you like it or not. I totally agree with you OP. Socialism is all about subjugating the individual to the state. It is disgusting and must be resisted at all costs.


Both ideaologies killed more in purges and mass starvation than Hitler's holocaust by around... 54,000,000 souls.


Government killed over 292 million of its own people from 1900-2000, and that's not including from wars.

Guess what caused WELL OVER 200 million of those deaths directly? Collectivism.
www.hawaii.edu...



posted on Mar, 31 2020 @ 08:16 PM
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originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: JimERustler

You do realize there’s a difference between socialism and communism, right?

And Hitler was neither.



Lets see..
Nazi means...National Socialist German Workers' Party".

The USSR means..Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
A socialist state, ruled by the communist party.

They're different all right.
About as different as cancer of the left testicle is from cancer of the right testicle.



posted on Mar, 31 2020 @ 08:25 PM
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a reply to: JimERustler

None of those men were socialists or communists. They were insane fascists dictators trying to shove what they believed was best for humanity down everyone’s throats.

There are no governmental overloads in a Marxist society shoving anything down anyone’s throats. But rather a democratic appeal to the masses to come together in unity, using our diversity for the good of the whole, rather than focusing so much on the individual.

Marx believed this would be a gradual process where people would naturally see certain industries as belonging to the whole instead of to the individual.

If this does not come through natural means it is simply facism parading itself as what’s good for the people.

I think Marx was a bit of an idealist who was focused more on the good in humanity not understanding how the narcissistic nature of humanity actually spurs growth and prosperity. Thus some of his ideas may never come to fullness in the type of Utopian ideology that he envisioned.

Our Military, Law enforcements, and anything else that is provided for at the expense of the taxpayers are all Socialism at work.

Many successful nations have Socialized Medicine. This outbreak is a great chance to socialize pandemic response and necessary supplies, even if we refuse to socialize the entirety of the medical profession.

I think we need a Socialized/Capitalist system that is well monitored by outside groups. If you look at private prisons and for profit colleges this is an example of Socialized/Capitalism at it’s worse. The price tag keeps going up because their is no incentive to keep it down.

We need a network that monitors our expenses and keeps the Capitalist organizations from gouging the people for the sake of profits.

Equally Socialized education is a failure. The return on our investment has been horrific. Again there is no one stopping the costs from going up.

In one system the costs go up because they are for profit industries. The other example is because of bureaucratic bloat that no one is accountable for.

We need accountability in all areas, especially in the areas that our funded by our tax dollars. Our system has become one that no longer answers to the people and we need to change this. As this is a modern form of taxation without representation.

Once a leader starts to force compliance that person becomes the dictator to his facisit ideology. Calling himself a Socialist or Communist does not change the fact that they are a facist dictator.

A government of the people, for the people and by the people, with a constitution to protect the rights of the people from mob rule.


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posted on Mar, 31 2020 @ 08:37 PM
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originally posted by: JimERustler
It's good to post this every now and then as a reminder.

"The individual should come to realize that his own ego is of no importance in comparison with the existence of his nation ... the unity of a nation's spirit and will are worth far more than the freedom of the spirit and will of an individual." - Adolf Hitler

"A Communist ... should be more concerned about the Party and the masses than about any individual." - Mao Tse Tung

"To be a socialist is to submit the I to the thou; socialism is sacrificing the individual to the whole." - Joseph Goebbels

"If the nineteenth century was a century of individualism it may be expected that this will be the century of collectivism and hence the century of the State." - Bennito Mussolini

trash philosophy of mass murdering thieves, liars and frauds.


Mao was a Communist, not a socialist. He spoke of "A Communist". Communism is a political system, it isn't an economic principle applicable under multiple political systems, as Socialism is.

The Nazis and the Fascists were both right-wing extremists. They were ultra-nationalists and not socialists as we now understand the word. If you read the out-of-context quotes you posted, you will see that they were promoting the idea that the nation has the supreme authority, rather than that profit should be shared amongst those who generated that profit.



posted on Mar, 31 2020 @ 08:37 PM
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a reply to: Isurrender73

history has determined that that is a lie
logic confirms it.


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posted on Mar, 31 2020 @ 08:41 PM
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originally posted by: JimERustler
a reply to: Isurrender73

history has determined that that is a lie


What is a lie? I have no idea what you are saying?

The only lie are fascists claiming to be Socialists and Communists when they are fascists.
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posted on Mar, 31 2020 @ 08:45 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: JimERustler
It's good to post this every now and then as a reminder.

"The individual should come to realize that his own ego is of no importance in comparison with the existence of his nation ... the unity of a nation's spirit and will are worth far more than the freedom of the spirit and will of an individual." - Adolf Hitler

"A Communist ... should be more concerned about the Party and the masses than about any individual." - Mao Tse Tung

"To be a socialist is to submit the I to the thou; socialism is sacrificing the individual to the whole." - Joseph Goebbels

"If the nineteenth century was a century of individualism it may be expected that this will be the century of collectivism and hence the century of the State." - Bennito Mussolini

trash philosophy of mass murdering thieves, liars and frauds.


Mao was a Communist, not a socialist. He spoke of "A Communist". Communism is a political system, it isn't an economic principle applicable under multiple political systems, as Socialism is.

The Nazis and the Fascists were both right-wing extremists. They were ultra-nationalists and not socialists as we now understand the word. If you read the out-of-context quotes you posted, you will see that they were promoting the idea that the nation has the supreme authority, rather than that profit should be shared amongst those who generated that profit.


you don't understand the world. That's why I will not join your collective. You are totally bass ackwards on this. COMMUNISM is a TYPE of socialism. And ALL SOCIALISM seeks to DENY the individual and AFFIRM the collective (a group of individuals). To deny ONE individual is to deny ALL of them the security to dissent when the collective is wrong. History proves time and time again that the collective is almost ALWAYS wrong. And that has real life consequences.

Socialism is a TERRIBLE plan, especially if you are seeking security.



posted on Mar, 31 2020 @ 08:46 PM
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a reply to: Isurrender73

Just remember, when that democratic society votes you off the island for being undesirable ... it's for your own good and you need to march into the death chamber for the good of those remaining.

You should be proud to do so! After all, it was voted on.




posted on Mar, 31 2020 @ 08:47 PM
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a reply to: JimERustler

Should we disband our militarily, police, judicial system?

Those are Socialism



posted on Mar, 31 2020 @ 08:47 PM
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originally posted by: Isurrender73
a reply to: JimERustler

Should we disband our militarily, police, judicial system?

Those are Socialism


most definitely. The entire govt needs to be fired. ALL OF EM. Oathbreakers cannot be trusted.
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