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posted on Mar, 16 2005 @ 09:29 PM
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I am promoting it. It is good. I am engaged to a Native Canadian lady now, and it is the same tired, divisive, refrain and is actually even worse. We get treated even more poorly.....and when I ask some of the critics why, they reply that its cuz they are worse...... I hope I dont have to go into specifics.
I have no wish to make the world homogeneous, and love the fact that I can walk down my street and eat dinner at a dozen different places serving food from every continent. What a blessing. And if I want to marry someone of another culture, then the disapproval of those whom I see as having a superiority complex, is an affront to me, and insults me. I stopped shopping at a certain Vancouver store just cuz of one line in their catalog, that touched a nerve, innocent as it may have been. It just p'ed me off since it symbolized the attitude we faced all these years.

"Superior German engineering." Fair enough, unless you spend years facing personal attacks for not agreeing to it. superior to what? Everyone else? Good advertizing, it caught my eye.




posted on Mar, 17 2005 @ 09:46 AM
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paranoia says:

"If by cry baby you mean that i object to racists spreading their filth across to other people, then yes i'm guilty of that. I don't like what he says, but no i shall not put him on ignore, what good will that do to everyone else?"

And now you're making yourself the arbiter of what other people shoud be allowed to hear?

"Listen to what he says - he isn't merely arguing valid points about white people being discriminated against, or the balance going too far in favour for one race. He is constantly hinting and alluding to the fact that he views black people as inferior, less worthy of his patience, and he generally has issues with them.'

That's just your opinion, paranoia, and it's not one that everyone here shares. I suggest you quit trying to tell people how to think.

" He is a racist Off the street."

I don't think he is, but even if he is a secret KKK weenie, he doesn't use insulting language, and his opinions are as valid to him as yours are to you. Again, I suggest you quit trying to censor people's thoughts and advising us how to think.



posted on Mar, 17 2005 @ 10:32 AM
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OFF_THE_STREET ---> I gotta tell you, thanks for taking all the grief. I'm glad someone can see my opinion for what it is. Just an opinion. Of course, if its not what I'm suppose to feel, then I'm a racist and blah blah blah..Oh well. I just state the facts that I see daily.

SMALLPEEPS---> Thanks for actually asking a question. Don't worry, Im not ripping anyones heads off. So heres your answer. Prior to the civil rights movement in 60's, the blacks were royally screwed. This was due to ignorance and paranoia. By all means, they should have the right to vote, eat where they want, share the same restrooms, all of that good stuff.

I think the blacks who marched down the streets then had more courage in their little finger than most who cry "Racism!" today do. Those people were truely oppresed and had every reason in the world hate white people. I also think those same people would be disgusted to see what has become of their people today. The blacks of the 50s and 60s were different than the ones of today. ( NOT ALL OF THEM...OK???--Just alot).

When Rosa Parks refused to move from her seat, I dont think she meant to save it for some gang-bangers to sit in and intimidate any white people who ride on that bus. Im sure she didnt want to save it for some drug dealer.

When that black girl had to be escorted by the police to the all white school she was attending, Im sure she wasnt thinking " One day, my people will fill this school, and we can vandalize it, fill it with gangs and hoes and it will be our utopia!!"

Rather, they probably thought living in the way all those nice "rich" white folks do. Thats what they wanted to be. Somewhere along the line the "dream" MLK was talking about got messed up. Equality got tossed out the window for "superiority". That wont happen. Laws after laws have been passed to insure that "equal" rights were there. Yet it wasnt enough.

Lets prosecute the cops for beating Rodney King. Lets not worry about Rodney running from them, high on PCP. Lets not worry about Rodney refusing to stay down and listen to them. Lets just prosectue the cops for doing their jobs. Heres a clue: When the cops say stop, STOP ! Simple. But what happens when the cops are acquitted? RIOTS. That wasnt white people starting that. Everyone knows who Rodnay King is, but noone remebers who Reginald Denny is...But, I'm the "racist"...

I think the balcks of the civil rights movement in the 50/60s would be ashamed of what their people have done with the freedom that they fought to give them. I think if you took them to the hood and showed what has become of most of their people theyd shed a tear. This is not what they intended.



posted on Mar, 17 2005 @ 11:27 AM
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Spliff: I understand that there are gangbangers and idle blacks shown all over TV these days. I'm white and yet it seems like the white media does like to promote idiots like L'il John (Crunk Juice!) and 50 cent who do NOTHING for the advancement of blacks in America.

However, you didn't answer my question, which was: is 30 years enough time for (A) blacks to collectively heal their group of 200 years of crushing racism, and (B) whites to halt that de facto racism in America?

I say 30 years is not long enough. When a people have been kept under a boot for centuries, you can't just lift the boot and tell them to rehabilitate themselves. I'm not saying reparations in the form of cash are going to help, but you cannot deny that the powers that are in charge have NO INTEREST in changing the racists attitudes of white America with any sort of organized social program or educational push.

The media stereotypes that young blacks see every day are part of the continued effort to keep them in their place. The fact that music or sports are the only career goals held out to them is not done by accident. White kids know they can do whatever they want and if they turn into white trash, it's not due to lack of positive white role models. That same lack of role models IS a factor for thae black kid who lives down the street.



posted on Mar, 17 2005 @ 07:05 PM
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However, you didn't answer my question, which was: is 30 years enough time for (A) blacks to collectively heal their group of 200 years of crushing racism, and (B) whites to halt that de facto racism in America?


Absolutly enough time. So long as there are no slaves or slave children alive today. Look at society is today. Those problems are long gone. People have a whole different attitude now. There are laws that are strictly enforced. There is hardly a black person alive to day who has been truely discriminated against. They may have encountered an a-hole or 2, but we all have. But TRUE racism (ie: cant eat here, cant sit there) no..

And for white racism, it is dead allready. The klan aint out drivin around, lynching anyone. The white race has gone out of its way to help minorities of all races. Again, you may have an a-hole here and there, but its nothing compared to, say, a hundred years ago.

"Racism" today is nothing more than excuse.



posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 07:03 AM
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Originally posted by spliff4020



However, you didn't answer my question, which was: is 30 years enough time for (A) blacks to collectively heal their group of 200 years of crushing racism, and (B) whites to halt that de facto racism in America?


Absolutly enough time. So long as there are no slaves or slave children alive today. Look at society is today. Those problems are long gone. People have a whole different attitude now. There are laws that are strictly enforced. There is hardly a black person alive to day who has been truely discriminated against. They may have encountered an a-hole or 2, but we all have. But TRUE racism (ie: cant eat here, cant sit there) no..

And for white racism, it is dead allready. The klan aint out drivin around, lynching anyone. The white race has gone out of its way to help minorities of all races. Again, you may have an a-hole here and there, but its nothing compared to, say, a hundred years ago.

"Racism" today is nothing more than excuse.

Bull# bull# bull#.
I still get shocked every time I read about some ignorant person say its an excuse. tell that to my fiance.
It is so easy to say that when you didn't have to live it every day of your life. I got a small taste of it over this last 10 years, just by being involved with a black woman, and then a native woman. We got gunned off every day, which was new for me, and same ol same ol for them.
I humble submit that you just have no idea.



posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 08:14 AM
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Heres a point for all of you to ponder, maybe someone can give me an answer to this one:

Why is it if a black man stands up and says "I'm proud to be black!" ,that people will applaud and run to pat him on the back.

but...

If a white man stands up and says "I'm proud to be white!", people immediately scream "RACIST!!!"

can someone give me an answer to this??



posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 08:29 AM
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Originally posted by Todeskopf
Heres a point for all of you to ponder, maybe someone can give me an answer to this one:

Why is it if a black man stands up and says "I'm proud to be black!" ,that people will applaud and run to pat him on the back.

but...

If a white man stands up and says "I'm proud to be white!", people immediately scream "RACIST!!!"

can someone give me an answer to this??



Good point. Its hypocrisy to 10th degree. What also kills me, is when people get the lines confused. Just because someone treated you like an a-hole, doesnt mean youve been discriminated against or a victim of racism. It simply means youve dealt with an a-hole. It happens to me alot. But if a white person does this to someone of a different color, its racism.

I dont think the youth of today have ANY idea of what true racism is. They just feel that they are entitled to perfection and nothing less. God help em if someone treats em rudely. People need to grow up. The world is filled with callous jerks that have no regard for your color. People will be rude.



posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 08:56 AM
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Originally posted by spliff4020
Show me something the white man has that openly markets to a "white only" crowd. Or a television show that is all white. You cant.


All commercials on T.V. that does not have a minority in it.
Friends
Seinfeld
Fraser
And there is a whole hell of allot more.



posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by Killak420

Originally posted by spliff4020
Show me something the white man has that openly markets to a "white only" crowd. Or a television show that is all white. You cant.


All commercials on T.V. that does not have a minority in it.
Friends
Seinfeld
Fraser
And there is a whole hell of allot more.


Does that apply to any comedies as well?



posted on Mar, 19 2005 @ 09:25 AM
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Well, maybe cuz whites are too ashamed........
and should be.
No white people can truly imagine the esteem damage and low self view that what was done to the African people. We can try. But I think you had to be there. Muh Fuh. I am trying to be proud to be white, for now I am just proud to be me.



posted on Mar, 19 2005 @ 10:46 AM
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When I grew up I lived in a town in Illinois where all of the minorities lived on one side of town and the whites on the other. I grew up on the(Black) side of town and I do hate that term but that is what it was and we were low income whites. While growing up I never understood racisim because all of my friends were non white and like any kids we stayed at eachothers houses chased each others sisters and never thought any thing about it. When I started getting older things became diffrent and I started seeing what racisim was and how it worked and also the fact that it works the same on both sides. I had a father kick me out of his house because I was a dumb white kid dating his daughter but before we started dating he and I got along very well even going fishing.

Now with that understood I thought that I had a good understanding of things and went on with life spent time in the Navy and then moved to Northern Wisconsin . When I came here I soon realized that there are no minorities or at least very few. The thing that suprised me though is how the poor live on one side of town and the better off on the other. What is this,they are all white and yet they discriminate each other because of class,social status,last name,education,haircut, can this be just the way people are. We have the same kind of crime that cities with minorities have but no minorities so who do we blame for our problems? We have drugs but we can not blame the man for the problem because he lives next door and he is the same color so the social problems in this area are blamed on poor breeding and what a joke that is. The real ironic thing is that a lot of people in this area still do not like blacks even though they have never meet one but they see that Jessie Jackson or Al Sharfton on the news and know they do not like blacks because of it. Also the only news coverage on any minorities is how one of them commited a crime or got 10 million to play basketball.
I guess that alone will give you a narrow prospective.



posted on Mar, 19 2005 @ 11:08 AM
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Regs, I enjoyed your piece. I live in the South. I was born and raised in New Orleans, Louisiana, and now live in Houston, Texas. Trust me, racism is not hidden in the South. It may not be like it was in the 50's and 60's with kidnappings, missing persons, blatant murders, lynchings, or segregation. Any time that the confederate flag can still hang on southern Federal Buildings and in courtrooms, there is a problem. Racism is different in the South now, its more white collar. Mississippi and Louisiana have the worst educational system when it comes to the poor and disadvantaged. Most of the poor are African-American. If you don't come from a family who instills in you from birth that education is the only way of survival than that child will be lost. I am teacher here in Houston. I see it everyday. Slavery still exists Regs, but its all mental now. It is my belief that we have not recovered fully from slavery even though it has been many years. We have become crippled as a race and our problems have escalated into violence, theft, drug abuse, and many other things. We have been locked out of the American Dream because it was not designed for us. So, we must educate ourselves and become strong individuals to help out the whole. I grew up in a single parent home. It was my mom, myself, and my two younger brothers. We grew up without much and it was a struggle for my mom. But, my mom knew what she wanted for her boys and put it in our heads from the onset. She is a praying mother too. My mom trusted that God would provide and see us through. Now, it was not always easy, but I am earning a Masters Degree, my middle brother is about to graduate from college, and my baby brother is two years away from completing his college degree. It can be done with all of the negativity going on in the world. The problem of racism for the black race goes much deeper than what I have just spoken of. My cousin lives in Clinton, MD. He is married to a white female. I have no problems with it at all. As long as she loves him and takes care of him, then it is no problem for me. Its not the people, but their beliefs is what I hate. Your co-worker does not understand that she has been poisoned. We all commit crimes, we all have drug problems, and are all open to the same problems and issues that face us as humans every day. PEACE



posted on Mar, 19 2005 @ 11:08 AM
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Regs, I enjoyed your piece. I live in the South. I was born and raised in New Orleans, Louisiana, and now live in Houston, Texas. Trust me, racism is not hidden in the South. It may not be like it was in the 50's and 60's with kidnappings, missing persons, blatant murders, lynchings, or segregation. Any time that the confederate flag can still hang on southern Federal Buildings and in courtrooms, there is a problem. Racism is different in the South now, its more white collar. Mississippi and Louisiana have the worst educational system when it comes to the poor and disadvantaged. Most of the poor are African-American. If you don't come from a family who instills in you from birth that education is the only way of survival than that child will be lost. I am teacher here in Houston. I see it everyday. Slavery still exists Regs, but its all mental now. It is my belief that we have not recovered fully from slavery even though it has been many years. We have become crippled as a race and our problems have escalated into violence, theft, drug abuse, and many other things. We have been locked out of the American Dream because it was not designed for us. So, we must educate ourselves and become strong individuals to help out the whole. I grew up in a single parent home. It was my mom, myself, and my two younger brothers. We grew up without much and it was a struggle for my mom. But, my mom knew what she wanted for her boys and put it in our heads from the onset. She is a praying mother too. My mom trusted that God would provide and see us through. Now, it was not always easy, but I am earning a Masters Degree, my middle brother is about to graduate from college, and my baby brother is two years away from completing his college degree. It can be done with all of the negativity going on in the world. The problem of racism for the black race goes much deeper than what I have just spoken of. My cousin lives in Clinton, MD. He is married to a white female. I have no problems with it at all. As long as she loves him and takes care of him, then it is no problem for me. Its not the people, but their beliefs is what I hate. Your co-worker does not understand that she has been poisoned. We all commit crimes, we all have drug problems, and are all open to the same problems and issues that face us as humans every day. PEACE



posted on Mar, 19 2005 @ 03:37 PM
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If a black man stands up and says that he is proud to be black and not catch the same backlash as if a white man says it is explained in almost four hundred years of bondage, rape, torture, lynchings, executions, murders, kidnappings, and just plain horrible treatment. Black has been made to seem to evil and devoid of anything that is good. Every time a black man walks a street or neighborhood, he is always in danger of being acosted by the police. With all the negativity and stereotyping that is being circulated about being black, it takes a strong individual who knows his/her heritage to say they are proud to be black. Now, I am not saying that a white man does have the same right, of course he does. But, history has been the guide for a white man when he chooses to say those words and his own atrocities comes back on him. Karma is a mother. Racism exists every where and there is nothing to do about it. Know yourself, know where you come from, and recieve as much education as you possibly can to be well equipped in this world.



posted on Apr, 28 2005 @ 03:01 AM
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It is hypocrisy, and it is to be expected. when one group has held sway for so long, the oppressed ones will off and on revel in their new world. I don't have a problem with it, as long as they don't preach the kind of hate that Falwell spews towards Islam.

Here is something to chew on. Note: Below where it says 5 times as likely....that's 500% more. Now that's a significant difference.

Author: Chantelle Cherise Dooley

Published on: June 1, 2003



In Canada, approximately 5 percent of the population is made up of aboriginal people (1.5 million to be exact); half of these are women. But even though native women make up only 2.5% of the nation’s populace, they are five times more likely to die a violent death than any other group of Canadian women. (1)

In an article written by Lisa Morry for the Chilliwack Times in 2002, the journalist reported on the discovery of female remains on a pig farm in British Columbia. 50 women had gone missing from Vancouver’s Downtown Eastside. More than half of these women were of aboriginal descent. The rest of the nation remained, and still remains, uninformed.

In 1992, three aboriginal women were brutally murdered in Saskatchewan, their bodies stabbed, raped, strangled, even dismembered. To this day, their murderer, John Martin Crawford, is virtually an unknown criminal in Canada. Having murdered four women in his lifetime (and the number may be higher), he is listed as a serial killer. In this country, he ranks second only to the prolific child serial killer Clifford Olson. And yet, his arrest, trial and conviction were just a tiny bleep on the media’s radar. Another serial killer was being prosecuted that year: the infamous Paul Bernardo. He killed nice middle class girls with his beautiful Barbie-doll wife and video-taped the crimes so that he could watch them over and over again. Apparently that was real news. Well, it was certainly sensationalism, to say the least.

In his book, Just Another Indian, A Serial Killer and Canada's Indifference, Warren Goulding wrote about the 1992 trial of John Martin Crawford. In it, he quotes the prosecutor as saying, “Looking at it objectively, there is no reason why the Paul Bernardo case should have received more publicity than the John Martin Crawford case.” (2) But, as I said, the victims were young, thriving and pretty middle-class girls. Bernardo’s co-conspirator was his beautiful, blonde wife.

The missing women in Vancouver are most likely all prostitutes and the majority of them are native.

In addition to their vulnerability to sexual and violent predators, aboriginal women share the illustrious honour of being the lowest paid segment of society in Canada. In a pamphlet released by the government of Saskatchewan during the 1990’s, it was detailed that the average native woman in Saskatchewan earned approximately $6,000 per annum. This is well below the provincial and national averages. The poverty level for a single person is approximately $18,000 per annum.

Feminism has been criticized for many years as a sort of “poor little rich girl” movement, or, at the very least, “a poor, little, middle-class, white girl” movement. When we look at the predicament of the native woman in Canada, it becomes clear that there is more than just a little validity to this criticism. That is not to say that body image, eating disorders and the “glass ceiling” aren’t important issues for women to discuss and struggle against. They are.

But we seem to forget that there are some women who are not just pushing the limits of the system in order to allow women onto the illustrious fast-track. There are women who are so unrecognized by society it doesn’t matter how beautiful, or unbeautiful, they are. There are some women who are still in the trenches. Their husbands make up the largest percentage of Canadian prisoners. Their children often live in poverty. Sometimes they need to sell anything they can to survive, including themselves. Yes, there are some women still in the trenches. And they are not in some distant third world country. They are right here in one of the highest ranked nations on the planet. They are living two blocks down from us; they are living in a different world. On the prejudiced streets of Regina, the capital of Saskatchewan, there is a name for the mostly native area of the city: They call it Moccasin Flats.

Racism and sexism, it seems, are still very much alive in Canada. Especially for the nation’s unseen women.

We need to remember the statistics: Only 2.5 percent of the population, yet five times more likely to die a violent death than any other group of Canadian women; the lowest-paid segment of the Canadian population, earning, on average, only $6,000 every year. More than just remembering, however, we need to do something about it.


References

(1) The statistic applies to groups of women between the ages of 25 and 44. This statistic (as well as the information regarding both cases) was taken from the article Numbers Too Large To Ignore by Lisa Morry, as reported in the Chilliwack Times, April 16, 2002. www.chilliwacktimes.com...

(2) Goulding, Warren. Just Another Indian: A Serial Killer & Canada's Indifference. Fifth House; (April 2003).



posted on Apr, 28 2005 @ 03:07 AM
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Let's hear the arguments against those Native women now......
I hadn't read that in about a year..... I think everyone in the western world should have to read it, and write a book report on it.
Dear God, hurry up with that apocalypse thingie, m'kay?



posted on Apr, 29 2005 @ 03:02 AM
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I am a racist.

I am a white person and I do not like black people. I am from the NorthEast of the United States, not the South or anywhere else.

I look at the black people and their culture and I laugh.

The most racist people I have met have been black people. Growing up I could care less about racism and I would usually defend against being racist. I take people as I see them, and over my 20 years of life, black people have proved again and again that they are openly racist.

Not only are they racist but their whole culture is screwed. Listen to their music. How we tolerate black people in America is way beyond me.

Also look at the countries statistics. Black people make up I think less then 20% of the total population. The prison population is the US is I beleive 50% black. I think those statistics speak for themselves. Not to mention criminals that arent caught or crimes not reported.

Then you have the visual aspect of it. Goto a black neighborhood. Walk by a group of black people. Goto a black person gathering. They have no morals, are criminalistic, and have no respect for women, themselves or other people.

There are alot of lighter colored black people. They might look black, but they are mix breed.

At least as a white person I dont have big ole lips and immorality burned into my genetics.

So whatever.

America would be alot nicer in my opinion if it was all white people. That includes Asians and Hispanic's.

There are criminals and scumbags in every race. When it comes down to trust and respect, black people are at the bottom of my list.

Black people dont like it? Oh well, Freeedom of the Speech.

[edit on 29-4-2005 by Obfuscate]



posted on Apr, 29 2005 @ 01:40 PM
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I try to be fair and hate all kinds of people in general unless I acaully like them, which is not many people.

I really have to say I support spiffy in this argument, so shoot me.
I am F***ing sick and tired of the victim mentality that is present in America.Blacks being the primary group who expect to be taken care of becouse they were treated badly.
My thought get over it, everyone has a s***y time in their life but one just has to move on and keep going. Thats why I really like Bill cosby for basically saying that The problems in black society are not the white mans flualt ,buts its your flualt for not getting a job.
Marriges:If I had kids I would support any relationship as long as it was with a decent,hard working invidual, with a good eduaction.
I support marriges of any type.



posted on Apr, 29 2005 @ 02:09 PM
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I am of mixed race ("african american", and "white"(scottish).

Perhaps some of you are familiar with a biological theory which until now continues to hold up, known as hybrid vigour?

dictionary.reference.com...

There is no reason to suppose that this does not apply to ALL living organism's, including humans.

I have seen the idiocy of racism from both perspectives. Race mixing from a scientific stand point seems to be a good idea, whether you like the idea or not.

lumen.georgetown.edu...

[edited for redundancy]



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