Hospitals across U.S. consider universal do-not-resuscitate orders for coronavirus patients

This is getting kind of crazy. I say this because we keep hearing it's mild in most cases.

Hospitals on the front lines of the pandemic are engaged in a heated private debate over a calculation few have encountered in their lifetimes - how to weigh the “save at all costs” approach to resuscitating a dying patient against the real danger of exposing doctors and nurses to the contagion of coronavirus.

The conversations are driven by the realization that the risk to staff amid dwindling stores of protective equipment - such as masks, gowns and gloves - may be too great to justify the conventional response when a patient "codes," and their heart or breathing stops.

www.adn.com...

This level of hysteria and shortage doesn't make sense. Here's the United Stated Statistics.

Coronavirus Cases:
68,489
Deaths:
1,032
Recovered:
394

www.worldometers.info...

First off, if these statistics are right, then nobody is recovering. Only 394 cases where people recovered? That sounds like an insane number to me. It also says 67,063 are active cases and 1,032 deaths!! That means barely anyone who has gotten coronavirus has recovered.

When you listen to Politicians and the media they make it seem like most people have mild or no symptoms and they are okay. Young people can go back to work and dance in the streets.

Also, why aren't we prepared for 68,489 cases?

Look at Emergency Room visits per year.

136.9 million in 2015 to 145.6 million in 2016.

www.acepnow.com...

This is over 12 million ED visits per month. This doesn't include regular Dr. visits for checkups.

Why can't we handle 68,489 cases? What if there was a mild flu outbreak? Would we have to shut everything because of that?

I understand social distancing and the way things started were mild, but now it's total chaos if you believe the media. Look at these headlines on Drudge.

Kathy Griffin hospitalized with 'unbearably painful' symptoms; Blames Trump...
3 BILLION NOW ON LOCKDOWN...
Patients 'charged with attempted murder' for failing to self-isolate...
FAUCI: Virus could become seasonal...
Politicians jockeying for tests find proximity to President is fastest route...
Hospitals consider universal do-not-resuscitate orders...
Distressed Debt Balloons to Almost $1 Trillion, Nears 2008 Peak...
Governors Say Massive Federal Bailout Falls Short...
Economies Already Look Totally Different From Pre-Virus Age...
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Those who intentionally spread could be charged as terrorists!
How govt can track social media posts to enforce quarantines...
Supermarkets instal protective barriers between staff, customers...
Fired Americans Send Unemployment Websites Crashing Down...
Will California look like Italy soon?
GARCETTI: Water, power will be shut off for businesses that don't close...
NEWSOM: Banks to suspend mortgage payments...
IT BEGINS: TREASURY NEGATIVE INTEREST RATES...
SICK MAP...

MAYOR: HALF OF NEW YORKERS WILL GET INFECTED
MORGUES NEAR CAPACITY
CONGRESS HIDES BAILOUT BILL FROM PUBLIC
SICK TROOPS NOT BEING TESTED

Again, they make it seem like we're in the middle of The Walking Dead on one hand then they say it's mild for most people but only 394 recovered.

a reply to: neoholographic


Why do Americans always have to go one step too far, seriously, that sorts BS will make it to Australia within a week.

Hysterical hypochondria......

Yanks don’t want a day off, thrive on drama.

a reply to: neoholographic

It takes two to six weeks to fully recover. That means the recovery numbers are going to be low right now.

a reply to: neoholographic

The vast majority of those who contract Covid-19 are "mild" cases, not requiring hospitalization.

They tested as "positive" and are added to the statistics.

After healing up at home, they go on about their business. There's no follow-up to clear them...to list them in the "recovered" category. Works the same way with the Flu. Those who didn't die, recovered.

a reply to: carewemust

Frankly, that makes no sense.

If all of these people are recovered and just have mild symptoms then that's just a few thousand cases across the Country.

If that's the case, then why are they talking about not resuscitating COVID patients? Why are they talking about morgues and hospitals being overrun? Why are they having all of these shortages if only a few thousand get really sick?

Either it's being massively overhyped or they're not telling us how serious it really is.

originally posted by: scubagravy
a reply to: neoholographic


Why do Americans always have to go one step too far, seriously, that sorts BS will make it to Australia within a week.

Hysterical hypochondria......

Yanks don’t want a day off, thrive on drama.

I agree!

They're acting like we're in he Walking Dead.

What if there was a mild flu outbreak? We couldn't handle 68,000 extra flu cases without shutting everything down?

a reply to: neoholographic

Because it doesn't take many to put a strain on hospitals. A flu patient is hospitalized an average of six days, and only requires a couple people to monitor them. A patient with the coronavirus, on average, is hospitalized 11 days, and requires a larger staff in PPE to monitor them. And they can go south, requiring more care, extremely quickly.

a reply to: neoholographic

Regarding your first link: www.adn.com...

Note this line at the bottom of the article: "The Washington Post’s Ben Guarino in New York and Desmond Butler contributed to this report."

FYI: Guarino and Butler are two of the most hype-prone, fear-mongering reporters in America.

Common sense says that their report is not true. It would be more believable if we were talking about EBOLA, where 57% of those who contracted it, died.

But a professional medical person is not going to avoid a Covid-19 patient when he/she "code reds", lol.

The hospitals may be considering measures to avoid resuscitating Covid-19 patients, and many others who doesn't have insurance or money, since they're getting so many expensive patients right now. But it's not because they're afraid.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: neoholographic

Because it doesn't take many to put a strain on hospitals. A flu patient is hospitalized an average of six days, and only requires a couple people to monitor them. A patient with the coronavirus, on average, is hospitalized 11 days, and requires a larger staff in PPE to monitor them. And they can go south, requiring more care, extremely quickly.

I understand but still that doesn't add up.

If most people have mild symptoms then that's just a few thousand cases.

More people have strokes per year and have longer Hospital stays than that. What about heart patients and heart surgery? We get a few thousand serious cases and now we're in The Walking Dead?

Something's not adding up.

a reply to: neoholographic

Those people having strokes and heart attacks are still having them and still need care / take up beds and medical resources.

This is complicated currently because doctors have to treat everyone as potentially infected - meaning what used to take 10 seconds in a patients room now takes 10 minutes.

Adding the Covid-19 patients on top of that creates an unexpected burden that there were insufficient preparations for.

originally posted by: Hefficide
a reply to: neoholographic

Those people having strokes and heart attacks are still having them and still need care / take up beds and medical resources.

This is complicated currently because doctors have to treat everyone as potentially infected - meaning what used to take 10 seconds in a patients room now takes 10 minutes.

Adding the Covid-19 patients on top of that creates an unexpected burden that there were insufficient preparations for.

I understand that but if there's only a few thousand serious cases that require hospitalization across the United States, then why is a few thousand cases overrunning a system that gets 12 million emergency room visits per month?

You see why that doesn't add up to the level of Walking Dead hysteria?

Either it's more serious than what they're saying or this is Y2K on steroids.

originally posted by: neoholographic
a reply to: carewemust

Frankly, that makes no sense.

If all of these people are recovered and just have mild symptoms then that's just a few thousand cases across the Country.

If that's the case, then why are they talking about not resuscitating COVID patients? Why are they talking about morgues and hospitals being overrun? Why are they having all of these shortages if only a few thousand get really sick?

Either it's being massively overhyped or they're not telling us how serious it really is.

When a person recovers at home, they go on about their life, just like they do when recovering from any other virus.

They were diagnosed as having Covid-19 and sent home to recover.

The doctors/hospitals are focusing on intake right now...not calling Susie to see if she recovered.

But Susie is in the statistic of how many people were diagnosed.

Flu statistics work the same way. Diagnosis, hospitalizations, deaths, are tracked.

The one statistic that is almost impossible to find with Covid-19 on a state-by-state basis, is the number of people with the virus are hospitalized.

For instance, here's the CoronaVirus website for my state of Illinois.

www.dph.illinois.gov...

It shows about 1,900 citizens in this state have or had CoronaVirus, but it doesn't show how many are in the hospital.

The page used to, but after our liberal jerk governor issued the "stay home!" emergency order, the # hospitalized statistic was removed from the website, because only 1 out of every 87 people with Covid-19 were hospitalized.

Showing how mild the effect of Covid-19 is in Illinois, went against his false rationale for declaring it a major disaster. It's actually a nothing-burger in Illinois. Always was.

a reply to: neoholographic

We have a for profit healthcare system. It's streamlined in that regard. Empty beds don't generate profit so hospitals have evolved to keep as few beds as possible empty at any given time.

Most businesses in the US are structured this way. It's why we had a toilet paper shortage. It wasn't because the warehouses and factories were stressed. There was plenty in reserve. It was because stores have very limited storage these days, to maximize profits per foot of real estate, and most items go straight from the truck to the shelf. To adjust incoming stock had to be ramped up.

When running on thin margins, unexpected events can quickly overburden any system.

a reply to: carewemust

Again, that's just wrong.

Look at the statistics. It says 394 recovered. They have to be monitoring cases to know this.

It also says, 67,063 are Active cases. Not cases that we know nothing about. Active cases. If they know who's recovered and who's not then they're monitoring it closely.

www.worldometers.info...

Like I said, it doesn't add up. You said it's just a few thousand serious cases.

Kathy Griffin hospitalized with 'unbearably painful' symptoms; Blames Trump...
3 BILLION NOW ON LOCKDOWN...
Patients 'charged with attempted murder' for failing to self-isolate...
FAUCI: Virus could become seasonal...
Politicians jockeying for tests find proximity to President is fastest route...
Hospitals consider universal do-not-resuscitate orders...
Distressed Debt Balloons to Almost $1 Trillion, Nears 2008 Peak...
Governors Say Massive Federal Bailout Falls Short...
Economies Already Look Totally Different From Pre-Virus Age...
Rural America watches pandemic erupt in cities as fear grows...
Those who intentionally spread could be charged as terrorists!
How govt can track social media posts to enforce quarantines...
Supermarkets instal protective barriers between staff, customers...
Fired Americans Send Unemployment Websites Crashing Down...
Will California look like Italy soon?
GARCETTI: Water, power will be shut off for businesses that don't close...
NEWSOM: Banks to suspend mortgage payments...
IT BEGINS: TREASURY NEGATIVE INTEREST RATES...
SICK MAP...

MAYOR: HALF OF NEW YORKERS WILL GET INFECTED
MORGUES NEAR CAPACITY
CONGRESS HIDES BAILOUT BILL FROM PUBLIC
SICK TROOPS NOT BEING TESTED

All of this hysteria for a few thousand serious cases?

New York Gov Andrew Cuomo said he needs 30,000 respirators for seriously ill Covid-19 patients.

Since only 1 out of every 80-90 people with CoronaVirus need hospitalization, and not all of them would need respirators, over 3,000,000 (three million) New Yorkers would need to have CoronaVirus as the same time, to have every respirator in use.

Cuomo wants to replace Biden as the dim nominee for President. He has to go against President Trump as much as possible, and also look like a "fighter" as much as possible.

originally posted by: carewemust
New York Gov Andrew Cuomo said he needs 30,000 respirators for seriously ill Covid-19 patients.

Since only 1 out of every 80-90 people with CoronaVirus need hospitalization, and not all of them would need respirators, over 3,000,000 (three million) New Yorkers would need to have CoronaVirus as the same time, to have every respirator in use.

Cuomo wants to replace Biden as the dim nominee for President. He has to go against President Trump as much as possible, and also look like a "fighter" as much as possible.

Now, I agree with that. I think it's being overhyped. I think Biden looks horrible coughing in those interviews. Now he has a woman claiming sexual assault. Cuomo is looking at a brokered convention and in these times he could be the nominee on the Democrat side.

a reply to: neoholographic

I see what you're getting at. There are so many missing statistics that we can pretty much make this Covid-19 thing into whatever we want...and so can the media....and our governors...and everyone else.

I draw my conclusions based on the numerous people I talk to in the transportation and medical field every day. Nobody knows anyone in the hospital due to CornoaVirus, and there are not a higher than usual number of ambulances running around Chicago.

Actually, crime is down, and so are gas prices, which are good byproducts of the over-reaction to this nothing burger here in the USA. Were it not for the financial damage being done to families and businesses, I'd rally to keep this hoax going!

a reply to: neoholographic

Cuomo will need to answer to why his health department told the Chinese to hold their massive "Chinese New Year" festivals in mid-February after telling Chinese leaders to "not fear" CoronaVirus. We (the NY health dept) have your back!

originally posted by: carewemust
New York Gov Andrew Cuomo said he needs 30,000 respirators for seriously ill Covid-19 patients.

Since only 1 out of every 80-90 people with CoronaVirus need hospitalization, and not all of them would need respirators, over 3,000,000 (three million) New Yorkers would need to have CoronaVirus as the same time, to have every respirator in use.

Cuomo wants to replace Biden as the dim nominee for President. He has to go against President Trump as much as possible, and also look like a "fighter" as much as possible.

And that is impossible to you because?
Remember, and if you are really working in the health system you should know this, not every patient is in a hospital because of Cov-19. And not everyone on a breathing system in the ICU is there because of Cov-19.

This seems to be a situation where precaution is much more worth than anything else.
Let them have the breathing systems, why not?

a reply to: Zaphod58

2 to 6 weeks wooooot that's means all the symptoms I had for my common flu that exacted the Thingie I beat in 5 days with 2 times trying to kill it with booze... that didn't work well as it dehydrated the hell outta me lol