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Lockdown and stimulus a little too much like new green deal

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posted on Mar, 24 2020 @ 03:57 AM
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With the airlines in economic trouble, businesses forced to close, people needing the stimulus checks and a government income, and I see articles how the lockdown is reducing pollution/nature retuning. It’s all a little to close to the new green deal for comfort.




posted on Mar, 24 2020 @ 04:06 AM
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a reply to: neutronflux

They are trying.
Ultimately humanity bets on itself.
Or loses to ideals.
I know which outcome I believe in.
It's for the rest of humanity to decide.



posted on Mar, 24 2020 @ 05:46 AM
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a reply to: neutronflux

It's nothing like it. Nobody voted for the Green New Deal. This one won't pass either with all the pork in it. Most of that will have to be removed before it passes. I personally don't think it's needed. If a business can't survive a few weeks they should not be in business. As for people, they already get assistance. Unemployment money, food stamps. Not sure what 1K is going to do for them.



posted on Mar, 24 2020 @ 05:58 AM
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a reply to: Stupidsecrets



If a business can't survive a few weeks they should not be in business.


Looks like your going to get your wish. While large corporate coffee shops, restaurants, hobby stores, and chain stores hold out. And the mom and pop stores go under. And people wreck their bodies working in Amazon shipping.

Makes one wonder why Star Bucks voluntarily shutdown in store service while shaming the mom and pop stores that needed to stay open? I think they knew the local competition would fold while Star Bucks had the deep pockets and infrastructure to hold out?
edit on 24-3-2020 by neutronflux because: Added and fixed



posted on Mar, 24 2020 @ 06:23 AM
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A few weeks.....
You would be correct if that was true

This is already a month or more in for some businesses like the airlines and it's nowhere near over.



posted on Mar, 24 2020 @ 06:58 AM
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Bailouts are not needed. People can file for unemployment and food stamps. Small businesses can take out low interests loans. Companies can file for bankruptcy and still get bailed out.

I doubt many companies even take the money. All kinds of rules and regulations tied to it like extreme race and diversity hiring instead of merit. They will also be assigned a team of Democrat watchdogs on their payroll to enforce it. A foot in the door to socialism. The quality of good and services and innovation will fall off a cliff.



posted on Mar, 24 2020 @ 07:02 AM
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a reply to: neutronflux
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


Trump is putting the nails in his presidential legacy's coffin. Economically, I am not convinced of the "rescue package" before the Senate is anything but cancer. Repeating and increasing the ills of the GFC bailouts of "Wall Street" may destroy the U.S. fiscally. The last of global round bailouts stunted economic growth for a decade.

Targeted and limited government subsidies can save the taxpayer money in the long term. In one such instance, the New Zealand government subsided wages after Christchurch and Kaikoura earthquakes (2010- 11 and 2016). The cost of subsiding incomes is less than having newly unemployed people on the dole long term.

On the subject of airlines: The U.S. may have fewer reasons to sustain airline routes than other countries. Countries that enjoy land borders don't depend upon air and maritime trade for conducting commerce.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Mar, 24 2020 @ 07:05 AM
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We need an ant-obesity and black gun violence bill. It would save way more lives than focusing on this virus.



posted on Mar, 24 2020 @ 07:42 AM
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originally posted by: xpert11
a reply to: neutronflux
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


Trump is putting the nails in his presidential legacy's coffin. Economically, I am not convinced of the "rescue package" before the Senate is anything but cancer. Repeating and increasing the ills of the GFC bailouts of "Wall Street" may destroy the U.S. fiscally. The last of global round bailouts stunted economic growth for a decade.

Targeted and limited government subsidies can save the taxpayer money in the long term. In one such instance, the New Zealand government subsided wages after Christchurch and Kaikoura earthquakes (2010- 11 and 2016). The cost of subsiding incomes is less than having newly unemployed people on the dole long term.

On the subject of airlines: The U.S. may have fewer reasons to sustain airline routes than other countries. Countries that enjoy land borders don't depend upon air and maritime trade for conducting commerce.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.




Interesting. The only talk I'm hearing is how the Democrats deep sixed the covid19 rescue package and are trying to stuff it with political garbage about same day voter registration and hundreds of millions for refugees and a dozen other unnecessary and unrelated items. People are PISSED OFF.



posted on Mar, 24 2020 @ 08:01 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


Logically, the problem is too few people in their smugness never believed a pandemic was possible. Of course, this is why governments across the globe caught off guard. Civil Defence, local health boards, civil servants, and their overseas equivalents have no contingency plans to dust off. So it is only natural career politicians in congress sought to exploit the situation for their gains.

Trump's absence of sound leadership skills and abilities is nakedly on display. He isn't staying ahead of events where possible, nor his he steering the ship (congress) away from icebergs. Interestingly, Trump's previous failure to get an infrastructure package through Congress was a sign of his flaws.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Mar, 24 2020 @ 08:49 AM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Stupidsecrets



If a business can't survive a few weeks they should not be in business.


Looks like your going to get your wish. While large corporate coffee shops, restaurants, hobby stores, and chain stores hold out. And the mom and pop stores go under. And people wreck their bodies working in Amazon shipping.

Makes one wonder why Star Bucks voluntarily shutdown in store service while shaming the mom and pop stores that needed to stay open? I think they knew the local competition would fold while Star Bucks had the deep pockets and infrastructure to hold out?


Sounds like a corporate war of attrition



posted on Mar, 24 2020 @ 09:28 AM
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originally posted by: xpert11
a reply to: jjkenobi
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


Logically, the problem is too few people in their smugness never believed a pandemic was possible. Of course, this is why governments across the globe caught off guard. Civil Defence, local health boards, civil servants, and their overseas equivalents have no contingency plans to dust off. So it is only natural career politicians in congress sought to exploit the situation for their gains.

Trump's absence of sound leadership skills and abilities is nakedly on display. He isn't staying ahead of events where possible, nor his he steering the ship (congress) away from icebergs. Interestingly, Trump's previous failure to get an infrastructure package through Congress was a sign of his flaws.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.




There are plenty of smarter people than you and I who disagree on Trump's leadership. Even Democrats. Trump was one step ahead of nearly every other country on measures to prevent and contain the spread. And he and the GOP recognized the economic impact and had a stimulus bill ready to roll until the Democrats showed their true colors.

dailycaller.com...

www.theepochtimes.com...

www.bizpacreview.com...

www.thenewamerican.com...

www.dailywire.com...

www.washingtontimes.com...

www.newsweek.com...

www.westernjournal.com...

thenationalsentinel.com...



posted on Mar, 24 2020 @ 11:10 AM
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originally posted by: SaturnFX

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Stupidsecrets



If a business can't survive a few weeks they should not be in business.


Looks like your going to get your wish. While large corporate coffee shops, restaurants, hobby stores, and chain stores hold out. And the mom and pop stores go under. And people wreck their bodies working in Amazon shipping.

Makes one wonder why Star Bucks voluntarily shutdown in store service while shaming the mom and pop stores that needed to stay open? I think they knew the local competition would fold while Star Bucks had the deep pockets and infrastructure to hold out?


Sounds like a corporate war of attrition


All the while appearing socially conscious. Decimate the competition and shame them at the same time.



posted on Mar, 24 2020 @ 07:26 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


I support giving Trump credit where he is due. I fully support his invoking of the Defence Production ACT and holding Mortage foreclosures. Upon reflection, and putting aside his congressional leadership, Trump is catching or has caught up with events. The so-called "relief package" before the senate remains an economic and fiscal cancer.

Trump's detractor's approach to the pandemic has shifted in a more radical. IMO, the anti-Trump propaganda machine sort to use the virus to talk the U.S. into a recession. They aimed to increase Biden's chances of defeating Trump. However, once they awoke to the ongoing death toll in Italy, they turned about-face. National unity and saving lives entered their minds.

In all fairness to Trump, I am critical but not surprised at the previous slow approach taken by the New Zealand government. New Zealand is currently heading into lockdown. So, I didn't wish to appear to be on the Trump Derangement Syndrome train.


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



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