Coronavirus Bill is "Tremendous Opportunity to Restructure Things to Fit Our Vision"

a reply to: Grambler
Because you keep using the phrase "accepting this government shutdown".
Or have i read that, repeatedly, wrong?
Look if it is just posting here, thats cool.
Just asking a question.
That is a thing now? Right?

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: shooterbrody

Why is this something people keep saying?

What have you done to help find a cure for the virus?

Stayed home to not spread it, as one can reportedly have it and have no symptoms?
Is that not mosts part?

a reply to: Boadicea

My response to this would require a lot and I’m on phone

So the short is I totally respect that, but I do feel there are drastic catastrophic scenarios were government has to step in

So I default to the government must meticulous answer basic questions to prove this scenario is one of those times, how long the infringement will be, what it’s limits are, how it will save people, what the cost to people will be etc

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: face23785

Declare a national emergency.

Shut down businesses contributing to that emergency, like fossil fuel industry.

easy peasy

Oh it's that easy. And they haven't done it before why? Is there a law somewhere that says the Republicans have to set a precedent before the Democrats can do it?

C'mon man, you used to think a lot more critically.

originally posted by: Boadicea


Thank you! I did not even know there was a bill posted yet. I thought it was still being written.

1100-1200 pages prepped, ready to go, awaiting proper timing much like Patriot Act, NDAA's or ACA. In other words the Covid-19 virus is being used for purely political gain and it denotes motives not altruistic to majority of American people.

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Boadicea

My response to this would require a lot and I’m on phone

Understood.

So the short is I totally respect that, but I do feel there are drastic catastrophic scenarios were government has to step in

Fair enough.

So I default to the government must meticulous answer basic questions to prove this scenario is one of those times, how long the infringement will be, what it’s limits are, how it will save people, what the cost to people will be etc

Fair enough. I'm sure there will be plenty of opportunities to discuss further when you're in a better position to do so.

a reply to: Phoenix

1100-1200 pages prepped, ready to go, awaiting proper timing much like Patriot Act, NDAA's or ACA.

Just no words for this crap.

In other words the Covid-19 virus is being used for purely political gain and it denotes motives not altruistic to majority of American people.

Okay, those words work.

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: face23785

Declare a national emergency.

Shut down businesses contributing to that emergency, like fossil fuel industry.

easy peasy

Oh it's that easy. And they haven't done it before why? Is there a law somewhere that says the Republicans have to set a precedent before the Democrats can do it?

C'mon man, you used to think a lot more critically.

Because many many people ion the country refused to unquestioningly give up rights n that way.

Things change.

Trump may be feeling the wrath of the people breathing down his neck:

'If it was up to the doctors they'd shut the entire world!' Trump says he's ready to get US 'open for business' in DAYS by confining lockdowns to 'hot spots' and REFUSES to commit to following missing Tony Fauci's advice on if it's safe

President Donald Trump said Monday he will reconsider the nation's social distancing policy within a matter of days and promised America will be open for business 'very soon.' The president has indicated he supports a return to normal life. 'America will, again, and soon, be open for business. Very soon,' President Trump said at the daily White House coronavirus briefing. 'A lot sooner than three or four months that somebody was suggesting. Lot sooner. We cannot let the cure be worse than the problem itself. We're not going to let the cure be worse than the problem.

I like the idea of limiting the self-isolation and shelter-in-place orders to hot spots much better than arbitrary overreaching lockdowns. It's one way to impose the harshest restrictions only in the riskiest and most severe circumstances.

Balance.

ETA: More from the link:

He also pushed another suggestion that only high-risk groups isolate after the 15 days in the guidelines he recommended have expired: '15 days. Then we isolate the high risk groups and the rest of us get back to work before it's all over for everyone!!

The president hinted at his changing thought pattern late Sunday night when he said the administration will make a decision at the end of a 15-day period on 'which way we want to go' to fight coronavirus, implying that the country could re-open.

There are words that I could use to describe how I feel about all of this, unfortunately most of them would get me locked up right now. I would say anger doesn't begin to describe my feeling toward the politicians that are pushing for this BS. Most will say vote them out of office, I think that's being a bit lenient.

a reply to: Boadicea

The moment my job says I have to go on the road again, before they have a vaccine is the moment I lose my job. I can do 100% of my job remotely, and do 50% of the time anyway. I will not venture out considering asthma, it's not worth the risk. If I have to take job loss because of it, then so be it.

a reply to: Boadicea

This is one of the things I have been saying all along.

Trump for better or worse is someone who isnt firm in many political beliefes.

Because of that, he is listening to people around him. I truly believe all along he was thinking "man this will collapse the economy, i dont like that at all" But he had person after person around him telling him he must do it.

Now perhaps he is hearing the outcry from those who said this was a terrible thing to do unless absolutely neccesary, and he is reconsidering.

Which is one reason why is wrong to just blindly accept anything he says; he needs to hear from his supporters when his advisors push him into policies that hurt the country.

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: face23785

Declare a national emergency.

Shut down businesses contributing to that emergency, like fossil fuel industry.

easy peasy

Oh it's that easy. And they haven't done it before why? Is there a law somewhere that says the Republicans have to set a precedent before the Democrats can do it?

C'mon man, you used to think a lot more critically.

Because many many people ion the country refused to unquestioningly give up rights n that way.

Things change.

Yeah because that's always stopped the Democrats before. You're right.

originally posted by: Hypntick
There are words that I could use to describe how I feel about all of this, unfortunately most of them would get me locked up right now. I would say anger doesn't begin to describe my feeling toward the politicians that are pushing for this BS.

Me too. The closest I can come is an pure cold fury.

Most will say vote them out of office, I think that's being a bit lenient.

I agree. Whether it's Clyburn talking about restructuring to fit his vision, or the jerk from New York (damned if I can remember his name right now!!!) telling the people to "accept it and deal with it." The lack of respect and the clear contempt for the rights of the people, and this gross violation of our rights itself for negligible gains, is damn close to treason. Their weapons of choice though are the pandemic and the economy. For now.

It would be a wonder to behold if the people finally united and took advantage of this "tremendous opportunity" ourselves to restructure government to fit our vision and fulfill the Social Contract.

a reply to: Boadicea

The evil left will crash an economy, kill thousands for power.

They are the evil authoritarian meat twinkies who did the same thing in the Soviet Union, they are the same authoritarian dirtbags who gassed the Jews, they are evil.

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: face23785

Declare a national emergency.

Shut down businesses contributing to that emergency, like fossil fuel industry.

easy peasy

Oh it's that easy. And they haven't done it before why? Is there a law somewhere that says the Republicans have to set a precedent before the Democrats can do it?

C'mon man, you used to think a lot more critically.

first off, i wouldnt be surprised to see some of this very pelosi bill you see here make it into the final republican approved one. So the idea they wont use fear monerging in an emergency to pass green new bill stuff is not true.

Secondly, in the past when dems had the presidency, there wasnt an agenda for the green new deal like there is now.

They had an open boreder type agenda, and guess what, Obama successfully did daca and refused to enforce immigration laws, etc.

Now the republiucans have set the precedent for mass shutdowns over emergency declarations.

we have seen almost every dem running for president say they would consider declaring an emergency of climate change.

Do you think they are lying, or that they just woulndt do anything to ahcieve their socialists goals once they declared that emergency?

originally posted by: Hypntick
a reply to: Boadicea

I will not venture out considering asthma, it's not worth the risk. If I have to take job loss because of it, then so be it.

Good for you for protecting yourself and taking care of yourself... and good luck to you in these tough times. I've been self-isolating as well, with the exception of trips to the market once a week. My daughter has nipped those trips out too, and insisted my husband take it over. She's a sweetie, but I hate that she has to worry like this.

And now I'm putting my "Mom" cap on for you... if you do develop a cough, the best recommendations I've read are to soothe the cough but do not completely suppress the cough, to keep your body elevated at least 45°, and steam yourself and your environment with a vaporizer, warm baths and showers (not too hot), teas and soups... and maybe a hot toddy

a reply to: Boadicea

I have asthma but i work in home health care, and so many people in my job are calling off i have to work long hours. But we are trying to isolate as much as possible around work.

My likely times to get infected are when we have hopsital appointments, some of which cant be missed.

So its tough, but Im not gonna leave the person i take care of hanging.

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Boadicea

Trump for better or worse is someone who isnt firm in many political beliefes.

Because of that, he is listening to people around him. I truly believe all along he was thinking "man this will collapse the economy, i dont like that at all" But he had person after person around him telling him he must do it.

Now perhaps he is hearing the outcry from those who said this was a terrible thing to do unless absolutely neccesary, and he is reconsidering.

I can consider all of this. I do know that Trump did not cause the fear mongering and subsequent panic. That was all on the Dems. And they have chosen to put Trump between a rock and a hard place AT OUR EXPENSE. And we are paying dearly, in so very many ways.

If Trump continues to stand up to the forced business shutdowns and shelter-in-place orders, I will have more to consider.

Which is one reason why is wrong to just blindly accept anything he says; he needs to hear from his supporters when his advisors push him into policies that hurt the country.

He is apparently hearing. I hope he knows a lot of people are hearing what the Dems are saying and they aren't liking it one bit. Folks who didn't vote for him last time, but are being pushed to vote for him this time. At the least, many once loyal Dem voters will be voting anyone but Dem... not necessarily Trump. Either way, they lose.

a reply to: Grambler

I am making masks.... I prepped the fabric today. My daughter asked me if I could send some to the hospital by her who are requesting donations. Would you like any?

They are CDC-approved for basic purposes. And with MotherMayEye's salt soak, you can probably get them close to 100% corona cootie foolproof.