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Growing Skepticism About Coronavirus Lockdowns

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posted on Mar, 23 2020 @ 07:09 PM
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originally posted by: Bicent
a reply to: burntheships

This pandemic, is not over, it just sounds like we have come to the conclusion we can’t mitigate it. For example my state up until today was still accepting flights from hotspots in the country. Interesting to see if this leads to Italy numbers 🤷‍♂️.


Yes, not over by a long shot.

I think some people may be conflating two issues. Flattening
the curve is just a slowdown of the eventuality that as it looks
now, this is a virus that everyone will end up catching.

Can't lock people up forever.

Italy, personally I think they have something going on with
their water, in many places like Florence for example.

When they have tainted water, it will spread like wildfire.

Each country will need to mitigate based on it's own individual
numbers rather than relying on data from China etc.

But your right, the pandemonium will continue either way.
Panic has set in, lock downs and economic downturn
will intensify the madness.





posted on Mar, 23 2020 @ 07:19 PM
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originally posted by: Bicent
a reply to: burntheships

I suppose, if you come to the realization you can’t stop it, why try to stop it. I figured the pandemonium had more to do with the toilet paper hoarding and hoarding I think all hands on deck now towards the economy. This pandemic, is not over, it just sounds like we have come to the conclusion we can’t mitigate it. For example my state up until today was still accepting flights from hotspots in the country. Interesting to see if this leads to Italy numbers 🤷‍♂️.


You think it's panic now.. Wait until grandmother, or your 23 year old niece come down with this and die at home.. People are going to lose it.. They wont take it seriously until it is too late.



posted on Mar, 23 2020 @ 07:22 PM
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a reply to: clay2 baraka

Meh it’s not an easy choice. Frightening what I saw at the potus, presser tonight, but. I think he figured it out he can’t protect the population. Trying to save the economy, now he sure didn’t use science to come to the conclusion. It is what it is.
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posted on Mar, 23 2020 @ 07:57 PM
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a reply to: ElGoobero




don't we get flu/virus every year? I think we're overreacting.


Have you not seen the bodies piled up in Italy. Churches full of them. Faster than they can burn them..



posted on Mar, 23 2020 @ 08:00 PM
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a reply to: fluff007

Yet, sad and tragic as that is, we are not Italy in the United States.

Many cities in Italy have tainted water, E Coli in Florence.

When there is a virus passed through the tainted water you
will see exactly that, mass deaths.



posted on Mar, 23 2020 @ 08:07 PM
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a reply to: burntheships

Well I have not pulled up any studies summarizing bad h20 causing a higher crude fatality rate in Italy. I have read reports of the young getting ventilators over the old thou. I agree with op thou, it’s not logical to keep people quarantined in there homes to try to stop a pandemic, that is out of control. After seeing how we reacted the past few days it seems impossible. I think capitalism, has allot to do with it, and being isolated. I think it’s just time to accept allot of people will get sick, allot will have to goto the hospital to get better and allot will die, at this time, until we get a vaccine or treatable medicine. We don’t have to worry about the responsibility of these decisions thou the potus, does. Still waiting on my video game to patch.



posted on Mar, 23 2020 @ 08:22 PM
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a reply to: Bicent

Here is a link to an example of what I was referring to
about the e coli water in Italy.

www.thelocal.it...

Not sure if any study has been done. I had this in mind due to the
reports that the virus can be transmitted via this kind of contamination.



posted on Mar, 23 2020 @ 08:26 PM
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The lockdowns come too late.

The correct course of action was to ban all travel to and from China back in late January. If they complained then tell them to # off.

But they didn't do that and now we all have to live with the virus.



posted on Mar, 23 2020 @ 08:48 PM
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the panic has spread much faster than the virus. give it a few,people will be begging for military help.



posted on Mar, 23 2020 @ 08:49 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: LordAhriman

Coronavirus is not lethal enough to Warrant any measures beyond the common-sense ones taken during the flu season.



The most parroted phrase since the pandemic began.

And I admit that I also embraced it fully until this week, but then I have had a hundred different ideas and feelings about this pandemic in the space of a fortnight, batting back and forth, changing almost on a daily basis. And then the issue of controlling hospital admissions reared its head, becoming the standard 'official' answer to your query. And it will continue to be the standard answer.

Is it genuinely justified in the long term amidst financial collapse? I have absolutely no idea, but I am willing to trust the medical experts on this point... for the moment, even if it contravenes the Conspiracy Theorist Constitution.



posted on Mar, 23 2020 @ 08:57 PM
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Im curious as to why this is the pit?

The science in this is unmistakable. We have to slow down the transmission or we will become Italy or worse.

It would be stupid to stop now. We need to take our medicine and go from there. Putting it off will only make things worse



posted on Mar, 23 2020 @ 09:35 PM
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I'm not quite understanding the meaning behind an area being "locked down".

I live in New York and apparently we have been "LOCKED DOWN" as the Governor has ordered all non essential businesses and schools closed, as well as ordered all gatherings canceled.

Before this "LOCKED DOWN" was put into effect everyone feared it and predicted the end of the word once it came ... "we're in trouble now" hung from everyone's lips.

But truth be told I don't feel "LOCKED DOWN"; the weather has been nice the last week; been spending more time with my kids since they have been out of school; while the road traffic is litter than normal its not a ghost town as the ominous phrase "LOCK DOWN" conjures up. And quite a lot of business (including my own) have been exempt from the order to close.

This is not to say life is normal; clearly people in service and retail are having a hard time; the medical industry is stressed. And we should all do our part to lesson the load ...

But as far as "LOCK DOWNS" go this is not what I thought one would be like once it came.



posted on Mar, 23 2020 @ 09:43 PM
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a reply to: FredT

Well I was a wee bit concerned people might say stuff
and then it would get locked.

Perhaps people are putting too much confidence in
the "lockdowns" is most of what I am saying. Are they
conflating "social distancing" and "lockdowns"?


originally posted by: FredT
The science in this is unmistakable. We have to slow down the transmission or we will become Italy or worse.

It would be stupid to stop now. We need to take our medicine and go from there. Putting it off will only make things worse



I understand how the six foot rule can be highly
beneficial to slow the spread, though I question
the benefit of an entire state being locked down,
only allowed to go the grocery store and pick up
medicine, walk the dog while the majority of
businesses are ordered to shutter up.

Again, just a discussion and no call for disorder.

How long is this unprecedented shuttering
of businesses sustainable? Perhaps some think
that it doesn't matter, all businesses are expendable
compared to lives saved. That is an interesting concept,
yet not applied across the board equally.

Where is the line on infringing on the rights of
people to work and earn a living?
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posted on Mar, 23 2020 @ 09:43 PM
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originally posted by: FredT
Im curious as to why this is the pit?
The science in this is unmistakable.
We need to take our medicine and go from there.


How do you know the science is unmistakable?

Were you directly involved in the scientific study? or are you just parroting those with an agenda who funded this "Scientific Study?"

We need to take our medicine...........? OMG Really?

Roll up your sleeve and take your shot, no jabs for me thank you.






edit on 23-3-2020 by Jamie2018 because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 23 2020 @ 09:46 PM
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a reply to: burntheships

It’s a good discussion, we are lucky we won’t be to blame, for those that sadly die from the pandemic or go in debt with hospital bills, obviously the majority of us won’t have to worry about it. No pun intended it will go down in history for many as a bad day..



posted on Mar, 23 2020 @ 09:54 PM
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originally posted by: Jamie2018

originally posted by: FredT
Im curious as to why this is the pit?
The science in this is unmistakable.


How do you know the science is unmistakable?

Were you directly involved in the scientific study? or are you just parroting those with and agenda who funded this "Scientific Study?"



The science might be unmistakable; but it certainly isn't concise or in unison.

Every article I read about the virus contradicts the last one I read and it seems every journalistic interpretation of the same data set is different. Our own governments can't even agree with each other internally.
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posted on Mar, 23 2020 @ 10:01 PM
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originally posted by: Ohanka
The lockdowns come too late.

The correct course of action was to ban all travel to and from China back in late January. If they complained then tell them to # off.



And now we find out that in January it was already spreading in New York.

Again, social distancing might be reasonable, while lockdowns,
which I will add are unprecedented, are not reasonable; unless
we are willing to sacrifice the health and well being of many
for the 1% that will get this and be in serious trouble.

Not a good choice, I agree, but lets compare numbers.

Let's add up the suicides, the child abuse, the spousal
abuse, the drug overdoses that will come to fruition
from the state wide lockdowns. Add in the children
who will not be getting proper nutrition from missing
school. How about the elderly, who will slip through
the cracks? How about the disabled? How about the
mentally ill who just can't hold up being isolated from
the rest of their friends?

Has anyone studied this before? Answer is NO.
Why? This is unprecedented. Talk to anyone
in their 80's and ask have you ever seen anything
like this before? Answer is no.




posted on Mar, 23 2020 @ 10:01 PM
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originally posted by: Ohanka
The lockdowns come too late.

The correct course of action was to ban all travel to and from China back in late January. If they complained then tell them to # off.

But they didn't do that and now we all have to live with the virus.




On top of that if people self isolated instead of going out to crowded places like pubs and clubs this wouldn't be as bad, now pubs and clubs are closed so people go have virus parties Instead, next they enforce a totalitarian lockdown like in Spain.
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posted on Mar, 23 2020 @ 10:07 PM
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a reply to: DanDanDat

Ya know I try to love everyone on ats, try to understand their point of view, some I have grown to understand to be a certain perspective whether it be narrow, I still try to respect them, even after I debate with them or put them thru a reality check. It when they still have that narrow perspective I just throw my hands in the air. Yet they still have a point their delivery might suck but at the end of the day I understand their perspective, no way in hell I agree with them but it’s their opinion. Hopefully we can stomach the future. Hopefully they can accept the reality they ask for. Win lose or draw this is where we are . 👍



posted on Mar, 23 2020 @ 10:42 PM
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originally posted by: Bicent
a reply to: burntheships

It’s a good discussion, we are lucky we won’t be to blame, for those that sadly die from the pandemic or go in debt with hospital bills, obviously the majority of us won’t have to worry about it.



Yes, and I hope I have not come across as callous, for I am not.
I truly feel for those who have compromised immune systems,
the elderly, and infirm who will not have an easy time if the
catch this virus, and the untold numbers of healthcare workers,
doctors and nurses and administrator who will also be putting
their health and lives on the line.


No pun intended it will go down in history for many as a bad day..


I imagine, if these state wide lockdowns continue, it will
be a many in front of the judge " Well your honor, the government
locked me in my house and legally forbid me to go to work".

What sad and unprecedented times.



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