Growing Skepticism About Coronavirus Lockdowns

Governors across the country are issuing stringent stay at home
orders restricting people from leaving their homes, closing schools,
and shuttering non essential businesses.

As of this list, there are 15 states that have issued
lockdown orders, with many of them the entire state is
ordered to shelter in place.
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As unemployment claims are surging around the country,
forecasts are predicting a depression level decline in 2nd Q GDP.
Financial markets are in decline, and The National Guard was
rolled out to stop people from looking at the cherry blossoms
along the Potomac River.

Across the United States, stores are grappling with the logistics
of keeping essential items on the shelves as people have panicked.

Sunday evening, President Trump finally weighed in on this -
"We cannot let the cure be worse than the problem itself".

I can say with all certainty I was relieved to hear the President's
thoughts on this, as I am sure it wont be long if this keeps
up that we will reach a point of no return.

Many people who are infected with COVID 19 are asymptomatic,
9 out of 10 tested are NEGATIVE. Yes, some people have died
and that is tragic. Some people are very ill, and that is also
a grave indicator of the seriousness of this novel virus.

However, shouldn't we be asking how long people can be
ordered to not work, businesses ordered to close and is
this acceptable versus the risk of the dire consequences
of a nationwide depression?

As of this time, thankfully there are no states that have issued
Martial Law, however most states are in a state of chaos as
some people have decided to flock to the beaches, and state
parks to get away, while others are trying to obey. Some states
have draconian orders, while other are more reasonable in
allowing some businesses to stay open.

It seems it is time to really discuss just how long this
situation is acceptable before one of these states should
decide to declare Martial Law.

This is not a sustainable situation, lets be clear and
make no mistake about it, there will be no quick
recovery as it is. Some health authorities are talking
about Shelter In Place until July! Personally, I do see
the virus spread largely increasing through June
based on accepted models. However, some people
have no symptoms so there will be continued spread
no matter what measures are taken.

Not talking any type of rebellion or such, but seriously asking,
How many people are going to die from the results of a months
long lock down? Isn't government running amok and taking
advantage of a crisis? This is how liberty dies!

Is all of this over reach and more like having people
drink bleach to kill a virus?

Seriously wondering at this point...how is this going
to turn out? Thoughts?

Boris Johnson just locked down Britain.

Just came across the news.

Wonder how long before the whole of US in locked down too?

ETA:

Do not assume that the lockdowns and shutdowns of business and trade that are collapsing economies around the world, are because of the COVID19 virus.

I think cows are now catching coronavirus. Just saw a lady buy 8 gallons of milk, and little else, at Aldi's.

We very well may get to the point of no return on this. I, along with many others on here have been saying it. But there is a collective phenomenon of thought going on here from both isles of the political spectrum that say we need to "sacrifice freedoms for safety", right now, which is insane IMO. Even if we take "freedoms" out of the equation entirely, the "solution" could and WILL cause a LOT more suffering than the virus itself.

Conclusion? People need to stop losing their ever loving minds and return to reality, otherwise the new reality will be 10x worse than what the media is making this virus out to be.

Americans are absolutely showing that they're not smart enough to follow the guidelines of distancing, only leaving the house when absolutely necessary, and even following these state and local orders. National Guard will be next, everywhere, then the military.

a reply to: burntheships

In Illinois, most citizens are ignoring the lockdown, but unfortunately about half the businesses are closed.. including all restaurants and bars 24 hours a day until April 7th.

People, especially in the service industries, are not working and are getting angry.

No. No, let's be clear on this. Sunday night Trump parroted what was said on FOX News (as usual) once again contradicting his own policies:

1. It's nothing.
2. It's just gonna go away
3. Won't be as serious here as other countries
4. It's a serious problem
5. Can't let rich people lose their dividends. Send the hourly workers back to work.

There's WAY too many people that have no idea what their talking about offering advice. Starting with Trump. All trained epidemiologists all over the world understand this and offer the same guidance. Testing, isolation, and quarantine. The very LAST person to listen to is Trump. He has no idea what he's doing as far as COVID goes. Listen to people who study these things.

a reply to: LordAhriman

Coronavirus is not lethal enough to Warrant any measures beyond the common-sense ones taken during the flu season.

a reply to: burntheships

We do this to ourselves.

Kate Brown, Oregon's governor, wasn't going to "shelter-in-place" until 20 thousand plus hit our beaches and started tearing up coastal towns this weekend.

Stupid people, not using common sense.

We willingly give government golden opportunities to screw all of us over when a few morons decide to screw things up.

Also, the DOJ has secretly asked Congress to allow them to detain people indefinitely without trial. As long as a declared emergency lasts.

The Justice Department has quietly asked Congress for the ability to ask chief judges to detain people indefinitely without trial during emergencies — part of a push for new powers that comes as the novel coronavirus spreads throughout the United States.

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As long as a declared emergency lasts. What makes this even more troubling is something I found out today. There are currently 34 declared emergencies. The oldest one is from the Carter administration.

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That means that there has been a declared emergency running since Jimmy Carter was in the White House. So whatever they pass or are able to get Congress to agree on will stay as law from here on out.

Including detaining citizens indefinitely without trial.

a reply to: carewemust

Think of all the money wasted by thousands of PhD Epidemiologists on what has clearly been a waste of an education. When we have someone like Trump and his minions telling them what the REAL truth is. Astounding levels of ignorance.

a reply to: burntheships

It has been said before.............the cure may well be worst than the disease. I have always thought the debt bubble was going to pop. I looked up the debt of the world a while back and it was nuts. Maybe this is how TPTB are resetting debt but getting the sheeple more inline. A two fur. Who knows. I think my tinfoil hat may be a little tight.

originally posted by: Bhadhidar
Boris Johnson just locked down Britain.

Not surprised.

Wonder how long before the whole of US in locked dow too?

I think there may be a few Governors who would
refuse to go that route. Not many, but a few....

Do not assume that the lockdowns and shutdowns of business and trade that are collapsing economies around the world, are because of the COVID19 virus.

Certainly a huge swatch of it directly related to the lock downs,
and shuttering of businesses by The States, no? However, if your
saying dark forces are at work, I agree. They may be in the majority,
and if this continues I suppose they have their luxury bunkers stocked
up and see the rest of the world as ants. God help their souls...

a reply to: burntheships

It’s a pandemic, that is making people sick, and killing people worldwide. 🤷‍♂️ Massive amounts of panic, hysteria, pandemonium, fear, anger you name it. 🤯 if we don’t isolate the spread even more people will get sick, and more will die 🤦‍♂️. Since no one on the planet really remembers the last major pandemic unless you’re 102 years old you’re inexperienced to how pandemics effect the humane race. I have said it before, unless people are dropping dead on sidewalks or zombies are roaming the streets, it’s not a big deal or some kind of NWO conspiracy, hence the pandemonium.

This shutdown will have serious issues and they may pop up sooner rather than later. NY is having a fairly minor bit of snow, however (at least in my area) no plows or salt trucks in sight. I had to pick up a friend working in an essential business and the roads quickly became treacherous. Snow removal is an essential service, especially right now! We cannot afford to have the supply chains disrupted any more! Not to mention emergency vehicles. Not like the snow was a surprise, are we seeing the true ineptitude of our local leaders? Very much a drop the ball moment! Day to day operations still need to be dealt with, not just virus issues.

I would be curious to see the numbers

how communicable is this compared to previous viruses / diseases?

how fatal?

don't we get flu/virus every year?

I think we're overreacting.

originally posted by: Wookiep
We very well may get to the point of no return on this. I, along with many others on here have been saying it. But there is a collective phenomenon of thought going on here from both isles of the political spectrum that say we need to "sacrifice freedoms for safety", right now, which is insane IMO. Even if we take "freedoms" out of the equation entirely, the "solution" could and WILL cause a LOT more suffering than the virus itself.

Very well spoken Wookie,

Until there is a vaccine, should people choose to take it we
are faced with this virus, which is far over hyped by the media
and some heath authorities such as The WHO, and the head
of the CDC. Fear mongering has worked well as we have seen
15 states and counting just lock people in their own homes
and most officials are talking up how smart this is!

I think we would have been far better off using common
sense guidelines, still can be if this Shelter In Place is
ended very soon, like at the end of this week.

we are at the begining of a world wide reset. nothing will be as it was. think of it as year 0.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: burntheships

In Illinois, most citizens are ignoring the lockdown, but unfortunately about half the businesses are closed.. including all restaurants and bars 24 hours a day until April 7th.

People, especially in the service industries, are not working and are getting angry.

The rights of individuals to earn an honest living free
from arbitrary and excessive government interference
is being infringed upon.

This has been reaffirmed in the courts many times.

We should be taking some precautions, but this shut down is pure insanity. This is nothing but mass hysteria.

My state, IL will probably have more suicides of business owners having their livelihood ruined than by Covid deaths...