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”The possibilities for inaccuracies are great because of the inability of an observer to estimate visually size, distance, and speed.”
”If you try this type of speculation on hundreds of sightings with `unknown’ answers, the probability that the speculative answers are correct rapidly approaches zero.”
originally posted by: jeep3r
I have read many times, maybe too many times, that ufology as a whole suffers from a lack of evidence.
originally posted by: Ectoplasm8
I applaud any deep research or thought, pro or con, into the subject so flag for that.
UFOs are a visual phenomena and there's no doubt they exist. In that, people can and do visually misidentify objects. And there are some unusual sightings. But hardcore believers need to understand it's a huge leap to go from 'that's a UFO' to 'that's a UFO being piloted by aliens' (or whatever your belief).
The reported operating characteristics such as extreme rates of climb, maneuverability (particularly in roll), and action which must be considered evasive when sighted or contacted by friendly aircraft and radar, lend belief to the possibility that some of the objects are controlled either manually, automatically or remotely.
All but about 40 unknowns were classified as such solely because they were reported to have performed maneuvers that could not be ascribed to any known objects.
originally posted by: Ectoplasm8
Another issue, once UFOs or aliens are removed from just visual sightings and cross into on-Earth interactions, it changes the argument. Claims now have to be met with confounding physical evidence. Evidence has to be expected and reflect the thousands of stories.
originally posted by: spiritualarchitect
Anyone who thinks all UFO's are either natural or man-made are just lying to themselves.
. Awesome thanks!
originally posted by: JimOberg
a reply to: vance
Thanks, Vance …. I have no doubt there are phenomena of genuine interest that are swept up in the UFO reports, making it worth the effort to filter them out. ANYTHING remains possible, even ETI. Here's one of my favorite puzzlers:
originally posted by: Guest101
Isn’t it simply a process of elimination a la Sherlock Holmes?
- A strange metal block is said to be found at the spot.
- angel hair was said to fall.
- UFO explodes and leaves traces.
- a handful of seeds have mysteriously been delivered to Earth by space aliens.
” The existence of an imprint of odd shape or a circular area of crushed vegetation often can be established. Demonstration of a connection between such markings and strange objects has thus far not been accomplished. Attempts to establish such connection must still depend upon personal testimony.”
“Generally there are no physical tests which can be applied to a claimed saucer landing site to prove the origin of the imprints. Occasionally, the degree of compaction of soil by UFO `landing legs’ is presented as evidence that the force was extraordinary. However, if the compaction could have been achieved by a human with a sledge hammer, for example, compaction measurements are of little significance, since they do not yield information regarding the cause of compaction.”
originally posted by: mirageman
But as J. Allen Hynek once said "I realised we don’t have UFOs........ only UFO reports".
Darting away at tremendous speeds after making a 45 degree inclination, performing a pendulum kind of motion when descending, changing colors in relation to speed, stalling car engines at close range, 90 degree turns in mid-air, UFOs often being described as solid, metallic objects when viewed up close and so on and so forth...
originally posted by: karl 12
a reply to: jeep3r
Recognize the research links - kudos on a well put together informative thread.
Pendulum motion is an interesting aspect - solid light and water collection are also other interesting aspects.