Critical condition numbers dropping daily. But the Media is saying something different

a reply to: SeektoUnderstand
Well since your asking questions and doubting the narrative, it is clear you want people to die. Don't you ever question the narrative again! Don't question anything. That is an order.

Lest you suddenly test positive and are hauled away to a black site while the public cheers on efforts to prevent infection??

I wish the news would give this kind of 24/7 coverage to all missing kids. Now that I think about it, there should be a channel dedicated specifically to finding missing children that runs 24/7. It can include file photos and videos of the kid being searched for and testimony from family and friends.

a reply to: SeektoUnderstand

And look at all the safety features cars have to prevent accidents. You don't wait until the hospital is overwhelmed before you take action anymore than you wait until there are thousands of car accidents to add safety features. You act proactively, or you end up with a situation like Italy is facing.

a reply to: Zaphod58

They added the safety features BECAUSE of deaths..... but I agree to be proactive... but NOT shutdown the world over it

a reply to: olaru12

globalism, requires the biggest economy to be on board.

think ID2020, think Bill Gates

Im not a lemming
are you?

a reply to: SeektoUnderstand

Not all of them they didn't. Some were added because minor accidents that were common, but resulted in no injuries, and some were added because they made sense.

So at what point do we stop shutting things down? There's a 14-21 day incubation period, and you can spread it without knowing you are even sick. So when is enough for you? Without even bringing the mortality rate into it, how far do you go to stop this? People got sick without even knowing they were exposed, and now it's community spread. So if you're going to be proactive, where do you stop? Because if you're wrong it's going to do exactly what it's doing and hammer some places, while hardly touching others. So, in your eyes, when is enough enough.

a reply to: SeektoUnderstand

Coronavirus in N.Y.: ‘Deluge’ of Cases Begins Hitting Hospitals

Statewide, more than 1,200 people have been hospitalized with the virus, according to Mr. Cuomo’s office. About 170 patients were in intensive care units in city hospitals, according to the city.

So, according to the mayor's office, there are about three times as many critically ill patients in NYC alone, than what your source states.

Where is your source getting their numbers? Is there an actual reliable source for these numbers?

There's also this:

In a startlingly quick ascent, officials reported on Friday that the state was closing in on 8,000 positive tests, about half the cases in the country. The number was 10 times higher than what was reported earlier in the week.

That's a whole lot of people diagnosed last week that will be in the hospital next week. Not all, but many.

And hospitals are already feeling the pressure, like this one:

In the Bronx, doctors at Lincoln Medical and Mental Health Center say they have only a few remaining ventilators for patients who need them to breathe.

The truth is, I don't think we have any way of knowing what the real numbers are -- because no one's compiling those numbers and making them available -- much less what they will be in the future.
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CDC provides these numbers, but they apply to known confirmed diagnoses and outcomes:

As of March 16, a total of 4,226 COVID-19 cases had been reported in the United States... 508 (12%) patients known to have been hospitalized... 121 patients known to have been admitted to an ICU... 44 cases with known outcome...

Severe Outcomes Among Patients with Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) — United States, February 12–March 16, 2020
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I'm not saying any of this proves your point wrong. I guess I'm just saying the numbers are all over the place (in more ways than one) and we really can't reasonably qualify or judge anything by faulty numbers.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: SeektoUnderstand

And look at all the safety features cars have to prevent accidents. You don't wait until the hospital is overwhelmed before you take action anymore than you wait until there are thousands of car accidents to add safety features. You act proactively, or you end up with a situation like Italy is facing.

You also don't stop people from driving because there is a risk of injury or death.

30,000 people die from car accidents every years. Hundreds per day. We could prevent all of them if we just stopped driving... however, that isn't the reality. We accept that there is some risk associated with the activity because the benefits far outweigh the risk of death.

Should we try to prevent things from happening. Yes, within reason. Hence why we are constantly improving safety features on cars, but no one says just stop driving! Here is an airbag, seat belt, lane change warning.... but no one is going to propose not driving or lowering the speed limit to 5mph to prevent deaths... which is exactly what we are doing with the Covid response.

If we know this virus is far more deadlier to old people, it would have been far more practical to focus on trying to keep older people safe. hand washing stations at stores. reducing visits to nursing homes.

Ok, so if say 5,000 people die by the time this is over.... yet, what do we say to the millions out of work, behind on their bills with no relief, lost their jobs, their businesses, their retirement?

a reply to: SeektoUnderstand

To answer your question, most people in the USA who get the Covid-19 virus are classified as "mild".

Source: www.worldometers.info...

The "Democrat Complex" (MSM-Politicians-NBA) took advantage of the Covid-19 deaths in China and later, Italy, to start a panic in the USA.

Now the big state Democrat governors are doing their part to trigger a recession.

Why?

"BIDEN-obama Got us out of the Bush Recession. BIDEN-(?) will Get us out of the Trump Recession."

This is being constructed before our very eyes, but most Americans are not seeing it.....YET. But the incoming financial pain will force everyone to realize that it's just another Democrat-designed HOAX.

a reply to: Boadicea

The problem is we have no context. ER rooms are always packed with people. How do these numbers compare to say last year in the middle of flu season?

Secondly, are hospitals being over run because of the panic. Whereas before, people would just sleep it off, now everyone runs to hospital as soon as they blow a snot bubble and a cough - overwhelming the system.

Again, H1n1 supposedly killed 12,000 people in the US in one year. Hospitals weren't over run then?

I don't doubt that this strain of Covid is a nasty bugger. I doubt the response to it.

a reply to: carewemust

this is the truth I am operating from.
real illness...sure
BS propaganda in order to destroy a presidency and hasten support of gloabalism and Gates foundation ID2020?
Yep

a reply to: Edumakated

And if we do nothing, or the absolute minimum, and thousands more than that die that didn't need to, what do we tell their families? You either act decisively and get ridiculed by people saying it wasn't that bad, or you don't and get crucified for all the people that died. The CDC looked at 2500 cases between late February and mid March and found that 40% that required hospitalization were between 20 and 54 years old.

This virus isn't just deadly to a certain segment of the population. It's deadlier to older people, but it's killing people with no preexisting conditions, younger people, older people. So, again, where do we stop? Do we do nothing and pray? Do we do a little bit and hope it doesn't get even worse? Or do we hit hard, and deal with the fallout? What's your plan of action?

a reply to: SeektoUnderstand

Another question to think about... we know that someone who attented CPAC with about 20,000 other people has been confirmed to have the coronavirus. At that time, little to no precautionary measures were taken, so we can safely assume CPAC was quite the germfest. The conference ended March 2. The vast majority of those infected would have either already presented with symptoms or are beginning to present with symptoms. According to the CDC, we can expect approximately 12 percent of those infected to develop complications serious enough for hospitalization. If my math is correct, that would be about 2400 people who should hospitalized now or soon. And no one cares???

CPAC attendees are the perfect petri dish to see how this affects people. And those effects will be manifesting right now. But nobody seems to be paying attention. I have not seen or heard one word about it in the news since it was initially reported. Why the hell not? Are reporters (and health officials) stupid? Or do they just not want us to know?

And for what it's worth -- putting on my tinfoil hat now -- I'm betting the president and much of his team have been getting high dose IV Vitamin C...

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Edumakated

And if we do nothing, or the absolute minimum, and thousands more than that die that didn't need to, what do we tell their families? You either act decisively and get ridiculed by people saying it wasn't that bad, or you don't and get crucified for all the people that died.

This virus isn't just deadly to a certain segment of the population. It's deadlier to older people, but it's killing people with no preexisting conditions, younger people, older people. So, again, where do we stop? Do we do nothing and pray? Do we do a little bit and hope it doesn't get even worse? Or do we hit hard, and deal with the fallout? What's your plan of action?

I didn't say do nothing. What we don't do is create a global economic depression based on twitter rants, memes, politics, shotty data, and other agendas.

What do you say to the people who lose loved ones? That is a loaded question. People die EVERY SINGLE DAY from terrible things and none of you say sh*t. So why is this any different? It sucks. But sh*t happens. I lost my father to a stroke when he was just 54 years old. Life went on. Strokes kill 137,000 people in the US every year... that is 15 people an hour every single day of the year.

Yet, here we are with the country basically collapsed economically and we are at 200 or so deaths. Most of which are people who probably already had one foot in the grave to start.

My mother is 76 years old. Suffering from MS. In a nursing home. I am worried sick about her. But in no way does this warrant destroying the country.

What do you say to the business owner who commits suicide because he is now economically ruined? Does his life not matter?

originally posted by: carewemust


The "Democrat Complex" (MSM-Politicians-NBA) took advantage of the Covid-19 deaths in China and later, Italy, to start a panic in the USA.

No question, it's being used by the left, the globalists, and the deep state.

The virus, and the panic are two seperate things. Point to one, cause the other.


Three months ago you could hear the panic in the voices on the left.
The DNC was in trouble, and the globalists were losing.

They were, and still are, desperate to steer the world back into the lane it was in five years ago.

How were they going to quiet the roar coming from the sea of red hats?

How were they going to stop the thousands of voices from gathering?

How were they going to keep Joe's image controlled, knowing they can't assemble even 1/1024th the crowd size of a Trump rally?

How are they going to create Mahar's vision of collapse?

It's only one of six ways from Sunday, but if you've been reading threads, you don't have to guess.


Without crowds, technology exists to edit responses, and remove gaffes.

Now Biden wants to do a "counter-briefing" to retord Trumps daily briefings! Not Kidding!

Biden in your face, not Trump... got it? He'll be told what to say like the senile old puppet he is.

You could throw a singularity out there, and every damn thing the DNC and the MSM do would head right to it!





Here's what's happening next.

The media's probably hoping for a positive result on most of the 500,000 test kits that just arrived from Italy, via that USAF C-17.

They have the motive, and the virus has been here a while.

They're going to try and convince you it's arriving NOW, and they'll use scary words like "cluster", for maximum effect.

Flattening the curve, my ass, they want it to last.

It's the only possible path.


I mean, who's looking for Hunter now?

The people who aren't allowed to gather?

The people in the screen on your device?

One move away, this net could go down...

originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: olaru12

globalism, requires the biggest economy to be on board.

think ID2020, think Bill Gates

Im not a lemming
are you?

I'm not a lemming...I even refuse to use hand sanitizer like everyone else.

INFOGRAPHIC CoronaVirus Global Comparison to other Outbreaks: informationisbeautiful.net...

originally posted by: Edumakated
a reply to: Boadicea

The problem is we have no context.

Definitely.

ER rooms are always packed with people. How do these numbers compare to say last year in the middle of flu season?

I see your point, but I don't think the overall ER numbers are relevant for these purposes; so I'm focusing only the admission numbers. But I definitely think last year's numbers of admissions is relevant in comparison to this year's numbers. And I have not been able to find those numbers. I think it would also be instructive to compare the coronavirus admission numbers to regular cold/flu admission numbers. Not to open another can of worms, but maybe there's more than one serious virus making its rounds.

Secondly, are hospitals being over run because of the panic.

I don't think there's any doubt that they're running out of supplies much much faster because of the panic.

Whereas before, people would just sleep it off, now everyone runs to hospital as soon as they blow a snot bubble and a cough - overwhelming the system.

Which is why the panic is definitely causing the shortage of supplies. But that's why I'm not looking at the ER numbers, but only the admission numbers.

Again, H1n1 supposedly killed 12,000 people in the US in one year. Hospitals weren't over run then?

Might also be instructive to know how many hospitals and hospital rooms we had available then vs now. Have we actually lost capacity due to Obamacare, for example, and they don't want us to know? Or do we actually have more capacity than ever now, but it doesn't fit the fearpanicdoomporn agenda?

I don't doubt that this strain of Covid is a nasty bugger. I doubt the response to it.

Yup. We're being shoved thru the gates of a Constitutional Republic's No Man's Land very quickly.

originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: olaru12

globalism, requires the biggest economy to be on board.

think ID2020, think Bill Gates

Im not a lemming
are you?

People will be begging for "that vaccine" *winkwink* when this is all done with.

Here is an article from March 9th talking about how Bill Gates and his foundation are already working on a testing kit for people in Seattle.

Link

When you think about the "tests" Gates has done/isstilldoing in Africa with vaccines it certainly makes you think a bit doesn't it?

It won't be the vaccine to fear so much but what other little gadgets that will be in it. Yet the primer has been imprinted in peoples mind already that when the vaccine becomes available they will fight others to be first in line to get it.

I am cautious of everything we are being told about this and isolation isn't a problem for me. Yet when you try to absorb everything happening with the movements of the Gates foundation it certainly makes you wonder if this is all an accident as it is being portrayed?

I am ok and vigilant with the precautions we are being forced to take at the moment because our medical system most certainly will break with the stress of this unknown illness. But I sure as hell won't be taking ANY vaccine in the future if I survive what ever this is.

originally posted by: KKLOCO
a reply to: SeektoUnderstand

Those that still have their jobs will come in here and disagree with you.

Those that lost their jobs, will agree with you.

I’m noticing a trend on ATS. Most people who haven’t been seriously affected by this, thinks that the rest of us who have, are stupid whiners...

We'll ALL be affected, eventually, just in various draconian ways. This "new 9/11" is this, in a nutshell: www.bitchute.com...

a reply to: Edumakated

Of course their life matters, which is why support is being worked on. So you want to find a middle ground, that's going to allow businesses to operate, the virus to spread and it to potentially be much worse, and us end up like Italy? The problem with viruses is that there's not really a middle ground. You either go after them hard, and then work hard to recover the economy that you hammered, or they burn through your country and you take exponentially longer to recover.

People are stupid. They see someone post something online, or someone tells a friend something they heard from someone's college sister's cousin's boyfriend, and it creates a panic. In this case they saw all the social media posts about how someone's Uber driver told them martial law was coming, and the virus was 20x deadlier than the flu (without understanding or even looking at the numbers), and lost their mind. Yes, there are currently less than 300 dead. Should we wait for 5,000 before taking action? 10,000? More?

Yes, people die every day. So we should just stop regulating everything and let it happen? Don't even try to prevent it? Yes, the economy is going to get hammered, but we can recover from it. It's not going up get nearly as hammered as if we turn into another Italy.

This isn't just an older person, or an underlying illness person disease. Almost half of 2500 cases that were hospitalized in a month were between 20 and 54.

A medical worker in Louisiana talks about how fast patients go bad with this virus. Even patients with a fairly clean medical history, that are young. They talk about patients that are doing just fine going into respiratory distress in a matter of hours, and needing significant support.

www.propublica.org...