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You certainly hit on one thing I didnt notice before. The largest complaint you hear from liberals is that christians should keep it inside the 4 walls of the church. They dont want it following them out in the public square or in the court room or class room or TV or.....
Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
You certainly hit on one thing I didnt notice before. The largest complaint you hear from liberals is that christians should keep it inside the 4 walls of the church. They dont want it following them out in the public square or in the court room or class room or TV or.....
Absolutely wrong Jake. This liberal and millions like me could give a rat's arse about the TV. There is this thing called a remote I use to click it off. The same remote "Christians" could use to turn off what they don't want to hear.
KEEP IT OUT OF THE GOV'T. AL DAVISON SAID IT BEST. AIN'T MUCH OF A RELIGION IF ONE HAS TO FORCE IT SOMEONE.
Jesus summed it up when he said to keep it in the closet.
Your faith must be awfully low if the government has to take care of it for you.
Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
KEEP IT OUT OF THE GOV'T. AL DAVISON SAID IT BEST. AIN'T MUCH OF A RELIGION IF ONE HAS TO FORCE IT SOMEONE.
Matt. 6-6:
"But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret, will reward thee openly."
I haven't had a decent cup of coffee in ten years and I'm pissed off.
Originally posted by spamandham
It's neither. You can't have a relationship with an imaginary friend,
Originally posted by spamandham
nor can said friend be your master.
Originally posted by spamandham
Ultimately, you are just talking to yourself, deluded into thinking there's more to it to that
Originally posted by spamandham
because a collection of old books says so.
Originally posted by spamandham
Yet you claim to be forgiven, and you continue to "screw him over" (sin), do you not?
Originally posted by spamandham
The whole sacrifice business is superfluous. You could be justified by faith and forgiven even without it, and you could be justified by grace if god wanted. Even more, he could simply quit making people with a "sin nature". Repeating the party line is not going to convince me that any of it makes any sense. It didn't even make sense when I was a Christian, but I didn't require it to make sense back then.
Originally posted by spamandham
Why is this a bad idea? I thought god was self sufficient. What difference does it make to him if we put ourselves before him? For god to have any needs or wants whatsoever implies he is not self sufficient. If he made creation to share his glory with others, then it should not matter to him whether that creation appreciates what he did, or loves him in return, or worships him.
Originally posted by spamandham
I don't have a beef with fictional entities, I have a beef with the authoritarian theocratic mindset Christianity promulgates. That's what this thread is all about in my view.
Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
Well Saint in your own way you should. Your church and mine are two different things. However, on the same wave length. From reading and "speaking" to each other my understanding is that your church is a church. Your church teaches what Jesus taught.
Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
Many, many do not. That is where the problem arises.
Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
All too often I see the "church" speak of "the truth". Yet, when I hear their version of "the truth" it is nowhere near what Jesus taught. That is the reason for my saying.
Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
The abortion thing is one of my "pet peeves". Too many sit in self righteous indignation of others when they have no idea what mom is going thru or will have to go thru for the rest of her eternal life. Hopefully, when facing Jesus he will have an understanding of her decision.
Originally posted by Evolution Cruncher
well my point was, you shouldnt kill the baby.
Originally posted by Evolution Cruncher
but the rapist should be punished in some way, maybe a lifetime sentence behind bars.
Originally posted by Evolution Cruncher
and even if the rapist were executed in public, he would still have time to redeem himself unto God.
Originally posted by Evolution Cruncher
God always has his ears open to everyone. but my point was not to kill the baby no matter how it was conceived or why its not wanted.
thats just my opinion. its not the babies fault. let it live. people who vote pro choice are always the ones that have already been born. so its a little easier to vote for that.
Originally posted by Evolution Cruncher
I am pro life. you did have a point though on "love your neighbor and love your enemies"
I guess its kinda hard to figure out where to draw the line.
EC
Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
Jesus summed it up when he said to keep it in the closet.
Originally posted by saint4God
Originally posted by spamandham
It's neither. You can't have a relationship with an imaginary friend,
Call Him imaginary all you like, it doesn't make it so.
Originally posted by saint4God
What do you call a master that you love and loves you?
Originally posted by saint4God
Originally posted by spamandham
Ultimately, you are just talking to yourself, deluded into thinking there's more to it to that
Yessir Mr. Judge sir! Case closed? Hardly.
Originally posted by saint4God
Do I have to say it again? *sigh* Okay, again again I did not find a collection of old books. I found God, who pointed out the collection of books to me. A collection of books by the way I was unable to read.
I'd get very angry and violent over the topic of God before then.
Originally posted by saint4God
Originally posted by spamandham
The whole sacrifice business is superfluous. You could be justified by faith and forgiven even without it, and you could be justified by grace if god wanted. Even more, he could simply quit making people with a "sin nature". Repeating the party line is not going to convince me that any of it makes any sense. It didn't even make sense when I was a Christian, but I didn't require it to make sense back then.
They're His rules, not mine.
Originally posted by saint4God
But you see, love does matter.
Originally posted by saint4God
I have no authority here. In fact, I'm not stating anything on my own. I'm just repeating what's already been given to us by Him.
Originally posted by saint4God
So, you have no beef with me nor any other "authoritarian" (which doesn't exist here on ATS) theocratic mindest of Christianity. Christianity says God is the authority. If someone says otherwise, by definition they cannot possibly be Christian.
Originally posted by saint4God
Call me twisted, but abortion (meaning to stop that which is in process) looks to me like an act of violence, not an act of love.
Originally posted by saint4God
I wish I still had the science book but recall the definition of life as something that consumes, grows and responds to stimuli. A fetus does these things. I think that's an appropriate definiton and was my major course of study.
Originally posted by saint4God
Agreed. Same goes for any parent though, ultimately the proper care is their responsibility.
Originally posted by saint4God
I have, albeit through a sponship program, it's the most I can afford at the moment. Her name is Disaya, she's 8 and lives in Thailand.
Originally posted by saint4God
As far as volunteering to adopt based on someone walking into an abortion clinic for pre-procedure counselling...not a bad idea at all. Do you think it would work?
Originally posted by saint4God
What's it about? I rarely arbitrarily commit 2 hours to something I'm unsure of. I thought some other trippy movies were "The Messenger" (Joan of Arc story with a twist), "Dr. Strangelove", "2001: A Space Odyssey", "Last Temptation of Christ", and most recently "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory".
Originally posted by saint4God
Ah! Well according to that definition I'd say no. My reasoning is this. We have the ability to choose on important and unimportant things. If God already ordained each and every choice, then there would be no point to having a choice.
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
Originally posted by saint4God
Call me twisted, but abortion (meaning to stop that which is in process) looks to me like an act of violence, not an act of love.
To stop the starvation, crime and poverty.
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
It's all based on perspective. When Jesus was killed by the Romans, was that bad or good?
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
What If I steal from the rich to give to the poor?
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
I remeber the definition of life was: Anything that can grow, reproduce and respond to stimuli. Although it will come to be alive, it is not yet.
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
Abortionists are admitting ahead of time they can't take care of the children.
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
Thats really cool. Every year one of my teachers would ask his students if they wanted to all pitch in and adopt a child. I gave 20 because I thought it was a worthy cause. I can't remember where the child was from.
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
Yeah, some couples with trouble conceiving would go for it.
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
Donnie Darko is about time-travel, wormholes, parallel universes.
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
It sounds kind of stupid, but it lreally makes you think. Plus Frank the rabbit is really creepy. I rate it alongside Identity which I also recommend.
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
I agree. What I do not only affects my fate, but everyone elses.
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
There are so many choices everyday with trillions of possible outcomes.
Many? How many? Where are they at? The only ones that hear don't are in the media...and we know how well we can trust those guys .
Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
No my friend Saint. Not in the media-use the media is the proper way of expressing. Funny that many who continually knock the media continue to use it for their purposes.
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
What If I steal from the rich to give to the poor?
Originally posted by saint4God
So you agree then it is an act of violence. Moving on then. Starvation and poverty are a problem and should be each of our responsibilites. I know that was the basis for the broken system called "welfare" and agree it needs to be fixed. Charities such as www.sundaybreakfast.org... are a great way to volunteer your time or resources to helping those in hard situations. It is not a cure, but if you can pitch in and help, it can make a world of difference to someone who has chosen love instead of violence. Those who have chosen to live in hard times instead of luxury. I believe our laws need to enforce fatherly financial responsibility. We have DNA testing to establish positive ID's, so where's the hang-up? I don't know, I'm not a law maker, but I think this is the direction we should be thinking.
As far as crime goes. That is no-one's doing but our own. As a state judge once told me (despite whatever I had to say) "obey the law". End of case.
Originally posted by saint4GodIt was a sacrifice for all of mankind. Are you saying aborting a child is for the eternal salvation of mankind? Who benefits from the abortion? Who is the consequence of the abortion? Is one life more important than another?
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
Abortionists are admitting ahead of time they can't take care of the children.
Originally posted by saint4God Having foresight does not necessarily mean a person is responsible. In fact, it's the giving up of that responsibility. Many of us are given responsibilities we do not want, but they become ours nevertheless.
A pair of friends are in that situation now. They say they cannot afford to adopt and would have to go out of country for it to be cost effective. Supply and demand. If there is a supply, would the cost be so high? Maybe I'm not understanding the dynamics of adoption economics.
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
I agree. What I do not only affects my fate, but everyone elses.
Originally posted by saint4God Wow! Now that's a very responsible answer in my opinion.
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
There are so many choices everyday with trillions of possible outcomes.
Originally posted by Stormrider
No one benefits from an abortion except the abortionist. The mother will regret and second-guess her decision for the rest of her life. I know this from personal experience and conversations with friends and family members who have made that choice. Every child who is concieved should have the opportunity to be born. How many lives have been lost to abortion who might have contributed great and wonderful things to our world? I tremble every time I even consider that thought.
Originally posted by saint4God
So you agree then it is an act of violence.
Originally posted by saint4God
It was a sacrifice for all of mankind. Are you saying aborting a child is for the eternal salvation of mankind? Who benefits from the abortion? Who is the consequence of the abortion? Is one life more important than another?
Originally posted by saint4God
I agree with the definition, though at what point does it 'come alive'?
Originally posted by saint4God
Having foresight does not necessarily mean a person is responsible.
Originally posted by saint4God
A pair of friends are in that situation now. They say they cannot afford to adopt and would have to go out of country for it to be cost effective. Supply and demand. If there is a supply, would the cost be so high? Maybe I'm not understanding the dynamics of adoption economics.
Originally posted by saint4God
Cool! like Farscape
Originally posted by saint4God
Wow! Now that's a very responsible answer in my opinion.
Originally posted by junglejake
However, as far as stealing from the rich to give to the poor, that is clearly stated as wrong -- the 8th commandment clearly states that theft, in any way, is wrong. Even if your intentions are noble, the ends do not justify the means.