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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
dbrandt, your definition for christianity is no more valid than any other definition of christianity. there is no "true christianity"
Originally posted by sb2012
So, why do you use same books, if Christianity is not represented in Church and why Christians go to the Church then? Why not stay at home on Sunday and tell Church it's time to get real and requesting reformation?
About Africa and AIDS, no it's not a problem. Just give poor people condoms because they risk infection and diseases, they have poor sanitation, no running water and other problems typical for poor countries.
It's wrong to exploit this situation and to spread Bibles instead of educating them with some practical knowledge and ensuring healthy living. Very, very selfish and irresponsible. People are dying, you are aware of that? Is this not enough reason to help them? Children dying because we can't decide to give them some help? And we justify that by reading some old book?
Also, i see your view on condoms and AIDS is same as Vatican's official response, yet you are telling Church is not representing Christians.
I hope God forgives Vatican and all other people who refuse to help people in need just because they think it's better to let them die than help them for some twisted reason.
[edit on 22-6-2007 by sb2012]
Originally posted by shaunybaby
It's extremely unatural to expect a species that has a sole purpose to reproduce,
but you'll never experience the full extent of what life has to offer unless sometimes you take risks.
Originally posted by dbrandt
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p.s. the vatican/catholic church has taken away truth from athe Bible and added books to the Bible.
Originally posted by dbrandt
Mankinds "sole" purpose is not to reproduce.
Originally posted by dbrandt
I was told not to be selfish in another person's post, yet your statement is one of extreme selfishness, yet I'm sure you will not be chastised as being selfish.
Originally posted by dbrandt
You views are in the vast majority of people on the planet,so look around and you'll see why we are where we are and have the problems we do.
Originally posted by dbrandt
risk-exposure to the chance of injury or loss; a hazard or dangerous chance:
What don't you understand about the word risk?
Originally posted by dbrandt
Find out how the catholic church says you are saved and then find out what the Bible says about salvation and you'll find there is a difference, and it the same timeyou'll find what this means
Originally posted by shaunybaby
We're mammals, we are not special unique snowflakes, we are people, and we act on instinct.
Originally posted by saint4God
When we are angry, should we kill? That is what we feel when we're angry. If one feel sexual urges, should we rape? If we want something, should we just take it? To many, this would be fun, taking risks, etc. It is astounding how these things can be considered unselfish and I'm curious to see what happens to a society that acts on instinct.
Originally posted by saint4God
When we are angry, should we kill? That is what we feel when we're angry. If one feel sexual urges, should we rape? If we want something, should we just take it? To many, this would be fun, taking risks, etc. It is astounding how these things can be considered unselfish and I'm curious to see what happens to a society that acts on instinct.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
we DO act on instinct. the morality in place to not kill, rape, or steal is ingrained in humanity as instinct through evolutionary psychology.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
we DO act on instinct. the morality in place to not kill, rape, or steal is ingrained in humanity as instinct through evolutionary psychology.
Originally posted by saint4God
If this were true, there would not be killing, raping, stealing nor the justifications for doing so.
We CAN act on instinct, or we can choose not to. This series of choices is an integral part of being sentient.
Originally posted by TheB1ueSoldier
So humans essentially have many different instincts acting on them when a stimulant comes along.... okay.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
your statement is false.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
i never claimed that evolutionary moralitiy was perfect.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
and again, we still have deviations in evolution.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
sentient by what definition? are dophins sentient?
Originally posted by saint4God
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
your statement is false.
It's an "if/then" statement. If this is false, then explain the incorrect part of the reasoning.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
i never claimed that evolutionary moralitiy was perfect.
I did not say you did, merely what would be the case if your statement was so.
A pseudo-philosophy built upon a pseudo-science.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
sentient by what definition? are dophins sentient?
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
i say we have instinct, i say we also have higher thought. but do other animals have higher thought? octopi and dolphins display remarkable problem solving abilities, why must we place ourselves above them?
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
um, quote A of mine is supported by quote B, you said we'd have no bad behavior, i said that i never claimed evolutionary morality was perfect. if and only if there was a claim that evolutionary morality was perfect, then your if/then statement would be true.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
A pseudo-philosophy built upon a pseudo-science.
no, not creationism, i'm talking about evolution
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
i say we have instinct, i say we also have higher thought. but do other animals have higher thought? octopi and dolphins display remarkable problem solving abilities, why must we place ourselves above them?
Originally posted by shaunybaby
Humans have art, literature, music, technology, and we've built monuments that have lasted thousands of years. No other species has even come close to achieving what humans have achieved. In many respects we are far above other species. However, put us in a situation where we're not protected, and we're extremely vunerable.
Originally posted by shaunybaby
One thing all religions seem to do is add one more thing on to the hierarchy of 'life'. This thing is God. And we must all bow down and be humble in the presence of this God. That's why I see religious people as weak because they are following something they think that is above them. We're the most powerful species on this planet, and religious people spend their days belittling themselves to spiritual deities.
Originally posted by shaunybaby
The absolute power of christianity has the ability to create an insane amount of people who can't think or feel for themselves,
Originally posted by shaunybaby
The absolute power of christianity has the ability to create an insane amount of people who can't think or feel for themselves, and who become unable to live without God, becoming dependent like an addict.
Originally posted by saint4God
Tell me what to do shauny! Baaa baaa baaa
Originally posted by saint4God
God doesn't chase people down when they turn away, He hopes that the come back. If this were untrue, we would not have ex-Christians/ex-believers.
Originally posted by shaunybaby
That's okay, I don't need to, you've got The Bible to do that.
Originally posted by shaunybaby
There are ex-believers because people get sick of the whole regime.