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originally posted by: SonOfTheLawOfOne
originally posted by: Hefficide
You do realize that diseases are natural. Acts of God. Right?
Chernobyl is not even a remote analog. World of difference between "We made a crap reactor and didn't take things seriously" and "A disease first appeared in nation X".
Just out of curiosity, if a pandemic were to start in New Mexico or Arizona, both places with known zoonotics, would you be saying the same?
Heff, I usually see eye to eye with you. Been here a long time.
This was no act of God. This was negligence and humans toying with diseases that would otherwise not cause the pandemic we're seeing now. We do it too, sure. But if someone at the CDC had an infected animal bite them, they wouldn't be sent home to self-quarantine. In another thread, I posted this:
Scientists at South China University of Technology in Guangzhou believe the lab could be a possible origin of the deadly pandemic.
The facility is located 300 yards from the infamous Wuhan food market where the Chinese government claimed the outbreak – which has killed over 1,500 people - started in December.
Written by Botao Xiao and Lei Xiao, the research journal claimed WCDC “hosted animals in laboratories for research purposes”, including 605 bats captured in nearby provinces.
The paper, titled ‘The possible origins of 2019-nCoV coronavirus’, reports that one researcher named only as JH Tian “was once attacked by bats” and that “the blood of bat was on his skin.”
According to the journal, Tian isolated himself for 28 days after the “bats peed on him.”
Where is the protocol for a lab working with deadly diseases? If bats and humans have been around for millenia, why has this never happened before?
The fallout is natural. The spread is natural. The diseases ability to exist is natural. The way this happened does not appear to be natural. Since everything can be considered an Act of God, I suppose you could say that's true, but I think my point is that this happened out of negligence. I want to know why the panic button didn't go off in the same ways it would in any other country. Why of all of the other countries that have these types of labs, have we never seen anything like this?
It just doesn't add up.
~Namaste
originally posted by: IAMTAT
The BLAME for the Covid-19 Global Pandemic falls DIRECTLY on the Chinese Government.
-China started it.
-The Chinese government hid it, not only from it's own citizens, but from the rest of the world.
-The Chinese government KNOWINGLY allowed millions of potentially-infected Chinese citizens to travel around the world BEFORE they told the world of the epidemic they could no longer hide.
-The vast amount of economic damage and loss of life suffered by the countries of the world...are the direct result of the Chinese government's attempted coverup.
This is China's Chernobyl x 1000!
After Chernobyl, affected countries sued the Soviet Union for damages resulting from the communist Soviet government's negligence and coverup...and this global pandemic is no different.
Thousands of citizens from countries all over the world are now dead and dying because of China's irresponsible coverup.
China's negligence and secrecy has all but destroyed the economies of the world's nations.
The US, alone, may have to spend TRILLIONS to dig itself out of this mess China caused.
China must be sued in the world courts for it's negligence and it's despicable attempt to hide it's epidemic from the rest of the world...while intentionally allowing it to spread worldwide.
Otherwise...What's to stop a repeat next year with another new Chinese virus and the Chinese government's ensuing attempted coverup?
We Are in This Crisis Because of the Decisions of the Chinese Government
Chinese laboratories identified a mystery virus as a highly infectious new pathogen by late December last year, but they were ordered to stop tests, destroy samples and suppress the news, a Chinese media outlet has revealed.
A regional health official in Wuhan, centre of the outbreak, demanded the destruction of the lab samples that established the cause of unexplained viral pneumonia on January 1.
China did not acknowledge there was human-to-human transmission until more than three weeks later.
The detailed revelations by Caixin Global, a respected independent publication, provide the clearest evidence yet of the scale of the cover-up in the crucial early weeks when the opportunity was lost to control the outbreak.
originally posted by: Zcustosmorum
a reply to: IAMTAT
This thread reeks of racism
originally posted by: IAMTAT
We Are in This Crisis Because of the Decisions of the Chinese Government
Chinese laboratories identified a mystery virus as a highly infectious new pathogen by late December last year, but they were ordered to stop tests, destroy samples and suppress the news, a Chinese media outlet has revealed.
A regional health official in Wuhan, centre of the outbreak, demanded the destruction of the lab samples that established the cause of unexplained viral pneumonia on January 1.
China did not acknowledge there was human-to-human transmission until more than three weeks later.
The detailed revelations by Caixin Global, a respected independent publication, provide the clearest evidence yet of the scale of the cover-up in the crucial early weeks when the opportunity was lost to control the outbreak.
www.nationalreview.com...
The Chinese government silenced doctors, scientists and journalists attempting to warn the world about the virus...and for weeks after knowing about the virus...the Chinese government allowed it to be transmitted throughout China and around the world.
Nationalism and Ethnocentrism vs. Racism?
originally posted by: IAMTAT
originally posted by: Zcustosmorum
a reply to: IAMTAT
This thread reeks of racism
I hate racism too.
Please show me the error of my ways.
originally posted by: Scapegrace
I think you also have to blame Chinese culture, namely the consumption of wild creatures kept alive (in cruel conditions) until just before they’re cooked. Also, China’s methods for raising livestock like pigs and fowl seems to result in more viral epidemics than any other nation.
Thus why, while an interesting concept, it will go no where. Same reason few elites who commit crimes ever get their due.
Whether it's the true origin of it or not, they detected it, they found it, and they hid it from the rest of the world, that part is deliberate.
originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: Zcustosmorum
"Chinese" is a Nationality...not a Race.
Watch out for those incoming 'Stupidity' lawsuits.
Yes, it’s most definitely ethnocentrism on my part, although I’m well aware of unsafe conditions and cruelty to animals in US livestock operations. Our methods can and should be improved, and so should China’s.
originally posted by: Puppylove
originally posted by: Scapegrace
I think you also have to blame Chinese culture, namely the consumption of wild creatures kept alive (in cruel conditions) until just before they’re cooked. Also, China’s methods for raising livestock like pigs and fowl seems to result in more viral epidemics than any other nation.
Not calling you out specifically, this here is potentially an example of ethnocentrism. It's specifically putting down an aspect of another culture as inferior to one's own, or wrong. This is not an example of racism.
Also ethnocentrism is not always wrong either. Quite often a people can have a cultural trait that is in fact harmful to themselves and/or others. Cannibalism of the dead, more specifically of the brain in particular, which leads to Kuru is an example of an inferior trait shared by some cultures. Is hard to argue against it being harmful and as such an inferior practice in comparison to cultures that do not partake in such practices. At least in that respect. A positive example of ethnocentrism.
Just want to make sure, since we're all so happy with labels that things get categorized correctly.