Covid-19: definitely a conspiracy

originally posted by: shawmanfromny
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

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If the CDC is correct that Covid-19 has a 1 % fatality rate (ten times worse than the seasonal flu), then why aren't we reacting with the same amount of panic over the .97% chance from dying in a car accident? Have people around the world curtailed their driving habits?

This post you made recently, actually makes a lot of sense. It's now all about control.

Just wanted to make a point about this portion, as its a good example of how statistics can be mis-interpreted either direction. You're right about dying in a car accident being roughly a 0.97% chance (1 in 103) in the US, however, those are lifetime odds, not over the course of one year.

At the same time, dying of Covid-19, let's say it ultimately ends up at double that, 2%. That's within one passing thru of the virus, not over the course of an average lifespan - however, that too is not a comparable metric, as it wouldn't be 2% of the population as a whole, but 2% of the people who have symptoms noticable enough to be tested.

Just as influenza has a 0.1% mortality rate, but most people are never considered to be a "flu case" in the first place. I've personally never been to a doctor for "flu-like illness", no way at 44 years old I've never had it. So if we could know how many people at all caught each virus, influenza might be more like a 0.02% fatality rate, and Covid-19 more like 0.4% (those numbers are just made-up examples.) We have to keep it all in proper perspective, and consider the metrics being measured.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: LookingAtMars

All of the American media was playing it down at first.

That was not my experience.

It was my experience too. I was getting really aggravated to hear them all say "just wash your hands" when concerned that we needed to start thinking of travel bans.

originally posted by: M4ngo

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Some people seem to think it is a doomsday scenario, and most of those people probably believe that because that's the message being conveyed to them by the MSM on a subtle or even subconscious level.

I disagree. Most of those who think it's a doomsday scenario are probably those who think also that Nibiru is real or Jesus is Coming Soon.

I think you vastly underestimate just how crafty and effective the media is when it comes to social engineering.

I think you vastly underestimate my critical thinking skills and misstate my position

You are assuming. Do you have any real factual data to back that up or are you just going to try to assume your way into winning this argument? I prefer facts and objective truths over ignorant assumptions.

I don't think you have demonstrated this so-called "critical thinking" you claim to have...thus far at least anyway.

I will help back his claims. I believe Jesus is coming soon!! Although I thought that even before the cv hit the newsstands.

a reply to: oloufo

Calling people names? Check.

Ad hominem attacks? Check.

Insisting on restricting free speech? Check.

Way to represent!

Whole thing is a hoax. Nobody has covid19. No proof whatsoever.

coronavirus is a blanket term for a group of viruses that already existed. There is no covid19 test...they have never isolated any covid19 virus from any human...the so called testing method that they use is they look for a partial viral dna sequence in ur body. Everybody has that, at any given time, whether they r sick or not. They dont check for viral load.

Coronaviruses cause the common cold. So if u ever had that, u can test positive for their test.

In order to prove a human has this virus, u have to find the whole virus genome somewhere inside a person and isolate it. And observe it. Which nobody has done anywhere.

It's a complete sham. They get to move the financial markets up and down and make money. Also more government control, socialism of healthcare, and mandatory injections, etc.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

My point is it's not like ATS created the panic, the media clearly did.

No. People created the panic. People like some of those here.

Show me a single case of the media saying "go buy all the toilet paper you can!"
Show me a case of the media exaggerating the threat rather than reporting it.

How about we take a look at the rhetoric being used by the media. As an example, a sensible way to report this would be: “Unfortunately this is a virulent disease which can cause minor discomfort, however, even if you catch it there’s a 97% chance you’ll be fine’

However, I’ll use the BBC as an example all the focus is on death, even thought the ratio is small. Yes we need to be cautious but the way the media has reported this has lead to the moronic elements of society stockpiling toilet roll, pasta, tinned goods etc. The media are the drivers, track layers and signal controllers of the ‘doom train’ and institutions like the BBC have a responsibility not to behave so irresponsibly.

Nancy Pelosi tells house members not to return to Washington on March 23rd as planned. They can stay at home, at a vacation spot, or wherever they are, until she gives the green light.

thehill.com...

I’m a bit uneducated as to why this virus would need a patent.... After looking up patent number 10.130.701 B2 it seems this virus was patented on 11/20/2018...can someone explain what this is all about?

a reply to: trig_grl

That is a patent for Avian infectious bronchitis virus, not the virus of COVID-19.

As to why? It says so right there in the patent.

The present invention relates to an attenuated coronavirus comprising a variant replicase gene, which causes the virus to have reduced pathogenicity. The present invention also relates to the use of such a coronavirus in a vaccine to prevent and/or treat a disease.

patents.google.com...

a reply to: LookingAtMars

The hysteria is always best led by American media

If the virus is extremely contagious and this has been known, and it was in China way back in November ...there are tens of thousands of international flights that flew between mid November and February to hubs all Over the U.S . Again we knew this was Rampant in China , we know there are 1000’s of flights from China to Us ever day for months ...do you really and truly believe ...That this hasn’t been here and spreading since Xmas at the latest.

Recall there was not testing in December and January . One person was tested positive in Washington In late January and minimum testing was done after that bc this is a new Coronavirus . Do you believe infectious disease specialists didn’t know it was here and inform people lol. Are we doing just fine since then (yes) compared to 300 daily flu deaths ... we ebooks be higher in total deaths by now if people believe we need to close the economy just in case . Do we close the highways bc there are 100 deaths from car crashes per day .

Are we past the stage of daily seasonal flu deaths over the last two months (no not close )...did we delay our testing response bc we knew the market reaction to the preparations (most likely we (corporations didn’t want to face the economic carnage the “preparations” are bringing . All for our own good . Ya

a reply to: Phage
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

My point is it's not like ATS created the panic, the media clearly did.

Show me a case of the media exaggerating the threat rather than reporting it.

One example I can think of was from CNN. I'm too lazy to find a clip of it, but at one of Trump's earlier press conferences, CNN's Dr. Gupta asked him a question that included a line about how this is way deadlier than flu because it has a 2-3% death rate whereas flu only has a 0.1% death rate. This makes it sound like the virus is 20 or 30 times deadlier than the flu.

The 0.1% death rate for flu is here in the U.S. The 2-3% death rate for Covid-19 is the global one. Comparing them is not an apples to apples comparison, and I have a hard time believing Gupta didn't know that. I'm fairly certain worldwide death rate for the flu is higher than 0.1%. I haven't seen a reliable source for what it is, but if it's 0.1% here I think we can agree just putting your thinking cap on it's got to be higher globally right? All those poor countries with large populations and poor medical care would drive the global average up higher than what it is here in the U.S.

It is rather telling in and of itself that I haven't seen the worldwide death rate for flu mentioned anywhere because I've watched and read a lot of coverage about this from lots of sources and none have cited the global flu death rate to give a real comparison. Why not? If all they're interested in doing is providing honest coverage, that would seem to be a meaningful statistic.

When Cuomo did his press conference last week the numbers he used as a comparison were a 0.6% death rate for flu to a 1.4% death rate for the virus, making it less than 3x deadlier than the flu. He didn't say where he got those numbers. I assumed he meant the 0.6% was the global death rate for flu and 1.4% was the updated global death rate for the virus. I have no idea if they're accurate or not.

CNN's Gupta was either confused or intentionally misleading people into thinking this virus is 20 or 30x deadlier than flu. And I've seen other outlets make that faulty comparison between the U.S. flu death rate and the global coronavirus death rate.

If someone has a reliable source for global death rate for the flu I'd love to see it.

a reply to: face23785

how this is way deadlier than flu because it has a 2-3% death rate whereas flu only has a 0.1% death rate

It does. Do the math. Italy has a 6% rate. Global average is 2-3%. Isolated regions are more or less.

The 0.1% death rate for flu is here in the U.S. The 2-3% death rate for Covid-19 is the global one.

Do the math. Numbers don't lie.

But go ahead and blame CNN.

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: face23785

how this is way deadlier than flu because it has a 2-3% death rate whereas flu only has a 0.1% death rate

It does. Do the math. Italy has a 6% rate. Global average is 2-3%. Isolated regions are more or less.

The 0.1% death rate for flu is here in the U.S. The 2-3% death rate for Covid-19 is the global one.

Do the math. Numbers don't lie.

But go ahead and blame CNN.

You're not thinking.

You're comparing the global death rate for one illness to the death rate in a specific country for another illness.

That makes no logical sense. It does not tell you how deadly one disease is compared to the other.

a reply to: face23785

If you understand the limitations of the data

The numbers are extremely misleading and if you people can’t understand that they should probably refrain from voicing an opinion bc they make the rest of the populace more ignorant

The limitations of the data are tremendous when it comes to death rate. This virus is mild in majority of cases and majority of these people see mild Flu symptoms that don’t progress and are being encouraged to stay home and not clog the hospitals . Due the math . So with most people who have symptoms being told to stay home and aren’t being tested you capture all the deaths and a fraction of (mild )cases . The death rate is tremendously inflated

If the repercussions of not being able to engage in critical thinking and math like I explained above was not fueling panic preparations that are taking down the economy I wouldn’t care as much .

originally posted by: Cpick1223
a reply to: face23785

If you understand the limitations of the data

The number are extremely misleading and if you people can’t understand that they should probably refrain from voicing an opinion bc they make the rest of the populace more ignorant

So you agree with me that Gupta shouldn't have been pushing those misleading numbers?

originally posted by: TruthJava

originally posted by: M4ngo

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Some people seem to think it is a doomsday scenario, and most of those people probably believe that because that's the message being conveyed to them by the MSM on a subtle or even subconscious level.

I disagree. Most of those who think it's a doomsday scenario are probably those who think also that Nibiru is real or Jesus is Coming Soon.

I think you vastly underestimate just how crafty and effective the media is when it comes to social engineering.

I think you vastly underestimate my critical thinking skills and misstate my position

You are assuming. Do you have any real factual data to back that up or are you just going to try to assume your way into winning this argument? I prefer facts and objective truths over ignorant assumptions.

I don't think you have demonstrated this so-called "critical thinking" you claim to have...thus far at least anyway.

I will help back his claims. I believe Jesus is coming soon!! Although I thought that even before the cv hit the newsstands.

AGAIN. He was here; as in *not needed to AGAIN come soon*. The 'second coming' is a metaphor for the current intact/integrity of a ministry created by him then blasphemed by others.

a reply to: face23785

You're not thinking.

You're comparing the global death rate for one illness to the death rate in a specific country

I've looked at the data both regionally and globally, as it happens.

That's called thinking.

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: face23785

You're not thinking.

You're comparing the global death rate for one illness to the death rate in a specific country

I've looked at the data both regionally and globally, as it happens.

That's called thinking.

I suggest you re-read my post, and forget that I mentioned CNN. I'm certain you're capable of understanding the point, maybe the CNN part just threw you into a defensive mode and you shut off the thinking side of your brain. Pretend I insulted Fox, I bet you suddenly get it.

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: face23785

You're not thinking.

You're comparing the global death rate for one illness to the death rate in a specific country

I've looked at the data both regionally and globally, as it happens.

That's called thinking.

I suggest you re-read my post, and forget that I mentioned CNN. I'm certain you're capable of understanding the point, maybe the CNN part just threw you into a defensive mode and you shut off the thinking side of your brain. Pretend I insulted Fox, I bet you suddenly get it.

Stop being a dick and look at the situation instead of politicizing it on ATS.

This is real.