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Universalism

How would you like to join a new religion, the religion of the Universe, or if you believe in more than one Universe, MutltiUniversalism. Does anyone even know where the word Universe originated? Has to be some kind of Latin/Greek/Hebrew word that was translated by some guy who invented English.

Either way, wherever or however or whomever decided it this is the word we have that describes the totality of our existence. Now, every religion that exist today is a derivative of other religions that came before them, branched out and became a different version of the same ideology.

Only, every time someone disagrees they decide to start their own movement, gather followers that share the same version of their truth and begin to spout out their way is the best and greatest truth of all and everyone that doesn't agree is evil.

Evil is another word that was derived from something, translated into something, with a meaning that portrays the behavior of someone or the actions of something as being terrible. This word is used often to suggest people with different beliefs are evil. That is not fair is it? Oh well, life is not fair, but if I tell you I worship the Universe and I do not believe we are the only living intelligent organisms and that what is taught here in many languages and religions is completely wrong, am I evil?

There are 2 other words we can take from evil, live and veil; lift the veil and live life without evil. Unfortunately, this will not stop bad behavior from people with their own agenda. There are many ways to believe and everyone is entitled to their own opinion and their own truth, as long as those beliefs do not harm others in any way shape or form.

Acceptance for others is very hard to do, but do you want others to accept you? Then you must be willing to accept the differences or be a hypocrite for forcing your agenda on others, preaching from a pulpit to the masses that your truth is the only truth and either follow or be swallowed.

Every child is taught what an adult teaches. Every culture teaches what they believe. Every religion is different. Every country is separated and fractal within its own borders. Translations are different. Words have different meanings. Schools teach and test our knowledge, pass or fail us, allow us to move up or drop out, label us as advanced or stupid at every step of the way, and yet those same books were written and translated different ways, just like religion.

Every court system is different. One law in one country will get you the firing squad and in another a fine. The age of consent for a minor is different in every country and culture and religion. In Judaism for instance, a girl and a boy become adults in the eyes of God at the age of 13. Which is when a girl usually is old enough to bleed, having become fertile and growing eggs for procreative purposes. When the age of living was expected to be 30 to 40 years, that may have been necessary for survival of a species, of course they did not have time as we know it measured in 24 hours, 365 days.

Universalism has no time clock that can be followed, time is a human construct of Earthly makings, nothing we do here on Earth has any way to be quantified in terms of Universal motions, random energy just is. No time. Recently, I watched an episode of Ancient Aliens, which is a program that talks about all kinds of theories, some I agree with and some I don't, I don't like the name of the program either because it suggest that these are beings that are alien to Earth, when they are most likely ancestry of humans and not alien.

Anyway, the episode I just watch was about "Time" and how we have been living on Earth as some form of life for a very long time, before time as we know it existed and that many of these civilization disappeared leaving little behind to explain their existence. I wrote another paper about that in another place at another time.

Earth is extremely volatile, mother nature rears her wrath, randomly, she is Mother Earth we are taught, and this planet has changed shape and land masses have been submerged and land masses have become water-less over millions of years. There are buildings on top of places that used to be. There is water where there used to be buildings. Pressure has changed, gravity has changed, magnetic energy has changed, human evolution has come and gone, animals have changed, the way the Earth has functioned has changed.

All you really need to do is look at the things that have been found and how much of it we have no clue where it came from, to know that much like the Earth is 70% water and know that there are much more that will never be known by us, in this civilization, before we disappear and another 1000 years go by where another civilizations finds things like computers and cars buried in sand.

Our civilization has been "timed" to be 12,000 years old give or take a 1000 years, based on Earth time that is, and we have spent more time trying to go to space than we have with trying to solve more of the mysteries of the oceans, why because there is a hard time to navigate under the pressure of water, and even yet, there are places we could never find because they have become one with Mother Earth and she has either digested them whole or they decided to pack up and leave. Entire civilizations have just vanished without any clue.

There are entire civilizations that have existed that we will never know they existed. We find bones, we do carbon dating, we offer truth about how certain things came to be when we are just making theories up, what I say has just has much validity and truth to it then most religions I know, but I am not saying I know the truth about how those certain things came to be, only that the theories I have heard claiming to be the truth are lacking common sense and have an arrogance when spoken.

The list of things that are supposedly true is long and varied, but rest assured, I will say without hesitation that this civilization is not the first and probably will not be the last, unless of course, the atmosphere changes completely and removes all forms of life as we know it or Nuclear Armageddon happens and makes it impossible, still I suspect that another life form will survive and repopulate and become another version of intelligent life.

Adapting to circumstances is the way we stay alive as humans today, we adapt or not. It is called evolution, but we are much more than just humans, we are of the Universe, an energy that is, also, constantly adapting and evolving. The solar system that we live in has different life forms on different planets. Our Sun is the Mother and we are her child. Earth is not the Mom in this relationship, she is one aspect of the Sun, there are other children with different aspects that are attached to the Umbilical cord of the Sun.

Just because something is random does not mean it doesn't have a purpose or a reaction, everything has a random purpose and a random reaction based on what and where and who is affected, seen or unseen.

I can't speak to past civilizations for which we have no proof. I don't doubt there could have been such but, I have no proof. Ancient Aliens is a fun show to watch, sometimes. But it's a lot of fantasy.

If Universalism were a religion, a way of life, we would all be naturally Universalists just by the act of existing in the universe.

Truth is only found within and via observation AND self-verification. Speculation of what could have been or what could be can never be called truth.

As for evil, my personal belief is that evil is what is contrary to our own personal aims. If we decide a thing and act against it - that is evil.

I share some of your view points. We are definitely more then just humans on earth. We are also part of the universe (not just talking about the physical and chemical make up of us) especially our consciousness. We have the ability, I believe, to be in the universe with our conscious or sub conscious. We can be 2 places at once ( science tells us atoms can be 2 places at the same time)
Look at astral projection, we can physically be here in bed but our consciousness can travel through the universe and/or different dimensions. I also believe we can tap into a consciousness that is shared by every living conscious life form in the universe and other dimensions.

I could see universalism possibly being a religion because it is something people can believe in without having to warship a particular deity (not saying that's wrong, people have a right to believe in whatever they want) and sort of follow karma based morals. Idk just a thought.

I really like ancient aliens by the way. Some of it I can believe but some things they propose just don't seem plausible. It definitely helped open my eyes and mind to more possibilities other then those that have been pushed as the norm for generations by the mainstream. Got me to think outside the box more and got me more interested in ancient history. And look into the works of people like Graham hancock for example.

S & F for a great thread!

a reply to: spiritofsoul
CHRISTIAN universalism is NOT heresy - those who tell you so are LIARS and FALSE TEACHERS. All other forms of universalism are false. If you have or know a congregation that disagrees, I will HAPPILY debate them and SO CAN YOU by copying and pasting this list:

Scriptural Evidence of the Victorious Gospel
1) Rev 21:3-6
2) 2 Cor 5: 13-21
3) 1 Cor 15:20-28;50-58
4) Acts 3:21; 3:17-26
5) 1 Tim 4:10-11
6) Rom 8:28-39
7) John 5:21-30; 12:44-47
8) Luke 13:23-30; 12:57-59
9) Luke 21:25-28; 33
10) Luke 15
11) Gen 12:3
12) John 8:31-37
13) John 9:5
14) John 15:16-27
15) John 12:23-33
16) Titus 2:11-15
17) Romans 5:12-21
18) Jonah 2:3-11
19) Hosea 6:6; 11:8-11
20) Matthew 17:11-12
21) Ezek 2:1-10; Mt 15:21-28
22) Matt 11:26-27; 20:28
23) 1 Tim 2:6-7
24) Mark 10:45
25) Gal 1:4; 2:20
26) Romans 14:7-9
27) Philippians 2:9-11
28) Luke 20:34-38
29) Hosea 2:25
30) Romans 11:15-24; 32-36
31) 1 Cor 3:15; 21-23
32) 1 Cor 4:5
33) 1 Tim 2:1-4; Matt 6:10
34) Zeph 3:8-20
35) Haggai 2:22-23
36) Zech 8:7-12
37) Mark 11:17; 56:7
38) Mark 9:49
39) Zech 3:1-10; Amos 4:11
40) Is 66:22-24
41) Lk 12:10; Mt 12:24-32; Mk 3:28-30
42) Is 65:25
43) Dn 7:13-14
44) Eph 1:10-14; 18-23
45) Is 37:20-21
46) Is 35:4-10
47) Eph 4:9-10
48) Luke 15:31-32
49) 2 Pt 3:9-13
50) John 17:2
51) Wis 19:21
52) Wis 17:14
53) Gal 3:6-9
54) Jer 34:15-17
55) Ezek 18:4; 32
56) Ezek 16:59-63; 33:11
57) Ezek 37:26-28
58) 1 Cor 13:4-13
59) Hosea 2:1;18;21-25
60) John 1
61) Romans 10:9-13;18
62) Wis 11:23-12:1
63) Wis 12:16
64) Psalm 145 (especially 8-21)
65) Wis 16:5-15
66) Gen 18:17-17-33
67) Ex 19:5
68) Ex 32:11-14
69) Ex 33:18-19
70) Lv 10:3
71) Lv 25:8-55
72) Lv 26:34-36
73) Lv 26:11-13
74) Romans 8:1; Eph 4:10; 1 Cor 1:30
75) 2 Cor 3:14-18
76) Nm 14:17-24
77) Nm 15:15;26-29
78) Dt 4:29-31
79) Dt 7:14-17
80) Dt 9:29
81) Dt 17:12-13
82) Dt 18:9-22
83) Dt 19:16-21
84) Dt 20:19-20
85) Dt 22:1-4
86) Dt 28:10
87) Dt 30:4-14;19-20
88) Dt 32 (esp. 36-43)
89) Romans 8:19-20
90) Romans 9:5-8
91) Gal 4:21-30(esp. 28)
92) Gal 3:29
93) Joshua 2:9-14;17-21
94) Josh 24:3-4
95) Judges 5:31
96) Judges 8:22-23
97) Judges 10:15-16
98) Judges 16:22;28-31
99) Ruth 1:16-17
100) Ruth 2:10-13;3:9-10
101) Ruth 4:14-22
102) 1 Sam 2:6
103) 1 Sam 2:35-36
104) 1 Sam 3:18
105) 1 Sam 14:21-23
106) 1 Sam 12:17-25
107) 1 Sam 17:45-47
108) 1 Sam 18:13-14
109) 1 Sam 30:24-25
110) Is 25:6-9
111) Romans 6:10
112) 1 Cor 5:5
113) Acts 2:38-39
114) 1 Tim 1:15
115) Tobit 13:2
116) Romans (THE WHOLE THING)
117) Col 1:15-29;3:1-4;11
118) Hebrews 9:27-28
119) Heb 8:8-12
120) Jer 31:33-34
121) 1 Thes 4:13-18
122) John 19:30
123) 2 Tim 4:16-18
124) Rev 20:12-14
125) 1 Cor 15:45-49
126) Phil 3:21
127) Eph 4:6
128) Is 45:22-25
129) John 3:16-17
130) Heb 7:25
131) 1 John 2:1-3
132) Rev 11:15
133) Eph 3
134) Philemon 14
135) John 6:35-40
136) Mt 16:16-19
137) Joel 3:1-5; Acts 2:17-21;39
138) John 16:33
139) 1 John 5:1-5;11-13
140) Is 29:22-24
141) 1 John 4:14;18;42
142) John 12:19
143) John 17:13-26
144) 1 Thes 1:10
145) Titus 3:5-7
146) 1 Peter 1:18-19
147) Mt 1:21
148) Romans 5:18-19 (already listed, but esp. these)
149) Ps 18:6-7
150) Ps 120:1
151) Ps 31:23
152) Ps 16:10-11
153) Ps 30:4
154) Ps 22:28-32
155) Lk 1:17
156) Ps 32:1
157) Zech 7:9-10
158) Zech 14:9
159) Micah 6:6-8
160) Micah 7:7-9
161) Is 40:3-5
162) Lk 2:29-32;3:6
163) John 3:35
164) Col 2:9-10;14-15;20
165) Lk 20:37-38
166) 1 Thes 5:9-11
167) Acts 10:42-43
168) 2 Cor 5:10
169) Is 49:18
170) Nm 23:9-10
171) Is 53:11-12
172) Jer 25:30-32
173) Mt 23:23
174) Mt 26:28
175) Joel 4:11-21
176) Rev 5:9-13
177) 1 John 5:19-21
178) Eph 1:18-23
179) Heb 1:1-4
180) Phil 1:21
181) 1 Thes 5:15
182) Jer 31:33-34
183) 1 Peter 2:10
184) Rev 19:13-16;11:15
185) Ps 19:5;8-15
186) Wis 9:1
187) Ps 94:18
188) Ps 86:5;15
189) Ps 146:7-10
190) Ps 103:8-9;11-13;17-18
191) Daniel 3
192) 1 Cor 8:6
193) John 12:47-50
194) Wis 7:29-30
195) 1 Thes 5:4-5
196) 1 John 2:8
197) Mt 24:14;27;30-31
198) Is 28:16;18
199) Acts 10:34-38; 15:9-11
200) Is 65:1-3
201) Wis 11-12
202) Is 41:4
203) Lk 10:22
204) 2 Mc 1:24-25
205) Ex 15:26
206) Dt 32:39
207) 2 Mc 6:12-31;7:23
208) Romans 9:15; 1 Tim 2:3-4
209) Ex 29:45-46
210) Ezek 37:25-28; 2 Cor 6:16
211) Luke 2:1-14 (esp. 10-11)
212) John 1:29
213) Luke 4:14-22
214) John 10:9-11
215) John 14:1-4
216) John 6:51
217) Is 25:6-9
218) Rev 1:18
219) Mt 28:17-20
220) Acts 1:8
221) John 14:16-18
222) Acts 2:32-33
223) John 15:4-5
224) Eph 3:14-19
225) Rev 1:13-17;2:4b-5a;10
226) Heb 13:8
227) Acts 17:29-32
228) Mt 11:28-29
229) 2 Cor 6:2
230) Rev 22:17
231) Is 40:26
232) Ps 115:3
233) Is 41:4;8-10
234) I Chr 29:10-13
235) Luke 1:37
236) Ps 106:8;45-46
237) 2 Pt 1:11;21
238) 1 Tim 3:16
239) 2 Cor 7:10
240) Mt 6:14
241) Eph 5:11-14
242) Ezek 36:26-28
243) 1 Cor 6:11
244) 2 Tim 1:9-12
245) Romans 8:16
246) Is 12:3
247) 1 Pt 1:8-9
248) 2 Thes 1:5-10
249) Lk 6:46-49
250) 2 Cor 3:9-11;2 Cor 2:10-11
251) Mt 10:32-33
252) Ps 23
253) Heb 2:14-15
254) I John 3:8
255) Acts 26:17-18
256) James 1:25;4:7-8
257) Romans 4:23-25
258) Heb 12:14
259) Ps 43:18-20
260) Is 66:2
261) 1 Pt 4:12-13
262) Romans 16:20
263) Is 43:2
264) 1 Cor 10:13
265) Nahum 1:12-13
266) 2 Cor 8:9
267) John 20:21-23
268) 1 John 5:13-15
269) 1 Pt 1:22-25
270) 1 Tim 1:5-7
271) John 15:11-12
272) John 16:22-23
273) John 14:6
274) John 4:24-26
275) John 14:27
276) 1 John 4:9
277) 1 John 4:15-17
278) 1 John 1:7; Heb 9:13-15
279) Heb 13:20-21
280) Heb 6:16-20
281) Acts 16:25-31
282) Lv 16:21
283) Nm 5:5-10
284) Neh 9:5-7
285) Neh 1:6-9
286) Ex 6:5-9
287) 2 Kgs 13:23
288) Rev 3:20-22
289) Ps 67:5-8
290) Ps 66:2-12
291) 1 Cor 2:5;13-16
292) Acts 4:12
293) Is 53:6;11
294) 2 Tim 3:15;4:1-2
295) Acts 20:32
296) Rev 17:14
297) Ps 130:3-4;8
298) 2 Chr 7:13-14
299) 2 Cor 4:11
300) Phil 2:13
301) Lamentations 3:22-24
302) Is 1:18
303) Is 55:1;3;6-13
304) Eph 3:16
305) Phil 4:13
306) Eph 4:5
307) 1 Cor 1:9
308) 1 John 1:3-4
309) 1 Cor 1:30-31
310) 1 Pt 4:7-11
311) Phil 2:15-16
312) 1 Pt 5
313) 1 Kgs 17:17-24
314) 1 Kgs 11:35-39
315) 1 Kgs 8:30;33-34
316) 1 Kgs 8:41-45;59-60
317) 1 Kgs 13:6
318) 2 Kgs 4:3-7;40-44
319) 2 Sam 7:6-17
320) 2 Sam 16:18
321) Job 42
322) 2 Thes 3:3
323) 2 Thes 1:11
324) 2 John 1-4
325) 3 John 1-6 (esp. 5)
326) Hab 3:2-3;13;18-19
327) Mal 3:2;6
328) Esther F:5-10
329) Esther A:8-10
330) 2 Sam 22:6-7;20
331) 2 Sam 23:3-5
332) 2 Sam 24:10
333) 2 Sam 24:14
334) Sir 2:18
335) Sir 15:15-17
336) Sir 16:28
337) Obadiah 17;21 (esp. 21)
338) Amos 9:14
339) Sir 24:8-9;19
340) Sir 36:22;37:25
341) Sir 29:16;34-35
342) Sir 40:11-12;17
343) Sir 42:15-16;18
344) Sir 43:27;33
345) Sir 48:5;11 (incl. 11b, extant only in Greek – “for we too shall certainly live”)
346) Sir 49:16 (“felix culpa” – Latin: “fortunate fault”)
347) Sir 51 (esp. 4-11)
348) Jonah 4
349) Mal 3:6-10
350) Mal 1:2
351) Mal 3:20;23-24
352) Song of Songs (Union of Christ to the Church; our souls)
353) Eccl 3:11-15;22
354) Eccl 7:8
355) Eccl 8:1;11-13
356) Prv 4:20-22
357) Prv 9:11
358) Prv 10:2;12
359) Prv 11:4
360) Prv 13:12-14
361) Prv 14:19;25-28
362) Prv 15:1;4;11;17;24-26
363) Prv 18:17
364) Prv 20:8
365) Prv 21:8;30-31
366) Prv 22:2
367) Prv 23:18
368) Prv 24:11-14
369) Prv 25;21-22;26
370) Prv 26;2
371) Prv 27:20-21
372) Prv 28: 1-5;13
373) Prv 29:4;7;10;12-14; 25-27
374) Ezra 10:44
375) Judith 8:11-16;9:11-14;16:16
376) 1 Mc 2:61-64;12:21-23
377) Ezra 1:5-6
378) Ezra 3:11-13
379) Ezra 8:22
380) Acts 15:16-18
381) Dt 31:6
382) Sir 50:17;22
383) 2 Kgs 5:14
384) 2 Kgs 6:22-23

a reply to: spiritofsoul

385) 2 Kgs 13:23
386) 2 Kgs 14:26-27
387) 2 Kgs 17:39
388) 2 Kgs 19:15;19;34
389) 2 Kgs 20:5-6
390) 1 Chr 16:8-36;41
391) 1 Chr 17:8-15
392) 1 Chr 29:30
393) John 14:26
394) John 16:5-15
395) Is 52:7-15
396) Ps 100:5
397) John 6:29
398) 1 Cor 14:22-25
399) Jer 33
400) 2 Chr 6:33
401) 2 Chr 30:18-20
402) Tobit 14:5-7
403) Ps 139:8
404) Enoch 39 1-2
405) Mt 17:24-27
406) Gal 5:1
407) Lam 3:31-33
*Non-Exhaustive*