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Truth: a Tyrant

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posted on Mar, 20 2020 @ 06:49 PM
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a reply to: NoConspiracy

Underneath the self, is being. The self is a contradiction, a conglomerate of confliction. Desires, ideas, thoughts fade in and out. Being-ness is none of that. It is simple, honest, and pure.

Op is not discontent, it is indignant. Also, just because you frame your question as ...underlying self" doesn't mean I will concede. Self is a fabrication, not a thing more.

You do not have to tell me what is and is not fine; I am not seeking confirmation or validation; much less yours.

Emotions are energy Distorted by the self. All that glitters is not gold. Once the self is dismantled, energy remains, but not in misguided, useless ways. The rage expressed in the OP is not idle. It has already been enacted, it's work, finished. No word games can alter that.




posted on Mar, 20 2020 @ 07:33 PM
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a reply to: LucidWarrior


I was just a little confused. But you made things clearer...

I would say being needs the self to be aware.

Only the self, attributes values like useful or usless, guided or misguided, good or bad to energy.

There are no absolutes in being not even simple honest and pure, these are all attributes created by the self to give the being a frame in which it can be aware.

Beingness just IS (boring?)

With that perspective i need the self because there is no moral compas without the self...
Never lose yourself!!!

Sincerely NC



posted on Mar, 21 2020 @ 02:26 AM
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The self is Being's delusion. Being IS Absolute. Corruption never had any power

Values like useful and useless, guided and misguided, good or bad... ARE attributes OF being. They are not created by Self, they are found by it. Self plays with them, building much as if with blocks. Creating tragedy in our unskilled hands, as corruption gleefully rushes in, using our ignorance as a channel, literally given life.

Simple honest and pure are not attributes, they are states. The state of being. Which when we wipe away the lie of self, births Truth and Love.

Being is what all selves are destined to become. It is the truth to which all distortions will return. It is the order which is commanded to rise from chaos. From infinity, can only emerge Zero. From self, can only emerge being.

That's the reason why corruption never stood a chance: the truth it thought was it's prey was nothing more than its own lies, conjectured through truth as he lay asleep but with none of its power. But in fact was the very reason he awoke.

I don't like telling people they are wrong, hey. I will say that such as your perspective is certainly the prevailing belief.

Being, is comprehension, which is the natural predator of belief. Realization, epiphany, held in the moment of potency ala meditation. Realizing the ending and taking it as fact during. That's why I can state with certainty that truth is alive, and love is well. Despite looking around with my eyes and seeing the abundant evidence to the opposite. Because they are born sooner in my understanding. Just as they gain strength the more that conflict is taken against them, any time agendas are thrown upon them.

They were taking a nap, and a nightmare came along and though it had taken over. But in reality it was trapped in a jar inside the mind it sought to invade, twisting and churniing in its own malevolent sleep. They tried to cure it but none could be found- so instead, they destroyed it, and sought out each other like it. The biggest genocide in history, recorded or otherwise. For evil has many faces, many homes. Not fighting, but simply asserting being.



posted on Mar, 21 2020 @ 04:44 AM
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a reply to: LucidWarrior

Yup I already got your vibe in the last post.

Right or wrong are very selfish concepts, and we probably just have to agree that we disagree.




NC



posted on Mar, 21 2020 @ 05:21 AM
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You're certainly free to disagree! I'm pretty sure I caught your vibe in your first post lol.

What's so selfish about do no harm? What's so selfish about persecuting those who have no qualms subjugating others?

a reply to: NoConspiracy


edit on 21-3-2020 by LucidWarrior because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 21 2020 @ 06:20 AM
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originally posted by: LucidWarrior

What's so selfish about do no harm? What's so selfish about persecuting those who have no qualms subjugating others?



Where are you going, with this one?

If someone/thing wants to subjugate you, protecting yourself is perfectly fine with me. Even if this might hurt some.

Although I would never reach out and do that to others. If one enters my sphere I give them a lesson about boundaries, and why it's not ok/recomendable to invade them. If they don't get the message the fist time, more drastic measure have to be taken.

If you would just let it happen, getting hurt and being subjugated, that would pure BEING, accepting everything as it is and giving no resistance.

But there are still forces that would try and subjugate you maybe it won't hurt, because no resistance by the self, the energy flows unhindered, but who's energy...

If I'm fine with the energy, I will gladly subjugate, to let's say love.
I know love, people use it often and most have a very strange view of love almost like a sort of ownership.
Sort of"I subjugate you out of love"
Where I say, "I subjugate myself to love"

Now when this energy wants more than my heart when I feel it in my throat, I know foul play is happening and love was just another empty word used, to get access.

Maybe I don't disagree with you after all

Sincerely NC



posted on Mar, 21 2020 @ 03:18 PM
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a reply to: NoConspiracy

You said right and wrong were selfish concepts. I was asking you to explain what is selfish about, again, doing no harm, aka "right" and seeking to stop those who subjugate others, aka "wrong"

Being does not just accept everything as it is. That is complacency. Idleness. I'm telling you, everything we thought was wrong. Being-ness has a voice, has a right to defend itself, has a will to do so and all the power necessary. Its will is what morality seeks to emulate and of what artists have always dreamed. This thought that being has to accept everything is vile and part of the distorted dream logic.

Also, I never said anything about harm when I said subjugate. Subjugation is subjugation, plain and simple.

Understand, I'm not trying to change your mind, and I'm not trying to defend my own position. Simply clarifying.
edit on 21-3-2020 by LucidWarrior because: Stop those who subjugate



posted on Mar, 21 2020 @ 04:34 PM
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a reply to: LucidWarrior

And I'm simply trying to understand.
Otherwise I would have left it already.

Well you said no harm but thats how it goes with polarity, i assumed the opposite of good, doing no harm, would be bad doing harm.
Or do the same with subjugating or not subjugating.

So does being has sort of a mind of it's own?

If so, my experience is that there are two types of being(s). To go with the artists vocabulary muses.

How do you know which one to listen to?

I have the impression most people shut one or the other out, and I'm most inspired when i listen to the discourse between the two of them and let my"self" decide what side of the argument i stand.
I can tell you they both have very good points.
non is inherently vile.
Once I decide who wins the argument, I decide to subjugate my"self" for the time being to one or the other, inorder to complete the task i was requesting guidance for.
Then it's out with both and "self" evaluation, about the process and the result.
And I think this process is what polishes the "self" , into a multifaceted diamond.

But

If I would decide for one or the other "muse" without hearing out both, I would create a one faceted diamod, basecaly a mirror or a window.
Light either reflects or passes depending on what's on the other side.
darkness=miror
light=window

compared to what light does with a multifaceted diamond, well neiter window nor mirror can keep up with it. At least from my point of view.

That's why I need the self, as selfish as it my seem.

Sincerely NC



posted on Mar, 21 2020 @ 10:31 PM
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a reply to: NoConspiracy

Creation is not completed with destruction. Creation necessarily entails destruction. It's only when destruction becomes a seperate entity that it becomes a problem because it's only aim becomes that of a malicious joy. Sophisticated harm becomes subjugation.

Listening to light does not mean ignorin the darkness, light casts a shadow if it falls upon something. It just means not listening to only darkness.

A diamond shines with borrowed light, for all it's brilliance it only exemplifies qualities tht already exist without it.

When one let's in light though the self, a window is but the first stage. Where one contemplates hope, wonder, beauty. If one continues, the self dissolves until only light remains.



posted on Mar, 22 2020 @ 05:42 AM
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a reply to: LucidWarrior

I never said anything about destruction, you are spillng things over, from another discussion in another thread with another poster...

Now light and it's colors are peculiar to say the least and if not aware of its dynamics, very deceptive.

Did you know that a lemon which appears yellow absorbs all the colors except yellow.
Yellow is the only color it rejected, sending it to your eyes. Therfore the lemon is actually all but yellow.
Let that sink in for a while.
Now apply this to black and white...

I think shadow is just light transformed by the darkness, the darkness you are talking about is the thing itself. Matter is darkness, even the mirror, the window and the diamomd are ultimately formed by darkness, made visible through light.
As is the self!
The self is a pure construct of the mind by the experiences had with a body. Your soul(light) and your body(darkness) work together to polish your mind.
If your mind tend to always go with one or the other side, balance is lost, and the polishing will become one-sided resulting in mirror or window.
Let me clear something up you didn't got right before.
If you go with light, then on the other side is darkness and you get a mirror.
If you go with darkness, on the otherside is light and you get a window.

I was not talking about the brilliance of a diamond, but it's ability to break light into it's parts, showing us all it's colors. Its refractive properties!

Even so You are right they are attributes that have always been there, inside the light. Unfortunately I can not experience them, without myself.

If I dissolve the self, I will either loose, the window, the mirror or the diamond, and that would not help to be aware of the light. They all are tools to understand the light better, to play with it and get inspired.

With the window I can see the light, pure light but there is nothing else just light, no colors, no matter to reflect off.

With the mirror i can only see my reflection. The light reflecting off myself, i see everything I'm not.
If I appear white, I'm not absorbing any light.
If I appear black, I'm absorbing all of the light.

With the diamond i can let the light shine through, extrapolate all its properties and really be creative.

It's a process...
Most start with the mirror, then the window, then the diamond, don't discard non of them just keep them in your toolbox.

It seems you are currently working on the mirror, I hope you will like what you see, and never forget if you deal with light things are not as they appear.

Sincerely NC



posted on Mar, 24 2020 @ 03:17 PM
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a reply to: NoConspiracy



I never said anything about destruction, you are spillng things over, from another discussion in another thread with another poster...


No, I'm not, lol. Creation and destruction, light and darkness, good and bad, they are all metaphors for the same thing. Any argument, principle, or effect that applies to one set applies to the other sets.



Let me clear something up you didn't got right before.
If you go with light, then on the other side is darkness and you get a mirror.
If you go with darkness, on the otherside is light and you get a window.


Excuse me, that's something YOU got wrong tyvmmf and I quote:



darkness=miror
light=window


So don't come at me like I'm the one coming up with this stuff. I was just engaging you in the way you chose to approach the subject; it is not my ruleset nor was I abiding by it. On that note, and this one:



It seems you are currently working on the mirror


I am out of this discussion with you as you can't seem to stop trying to ensnare me with your words. My work on self has nothing to do with your contraption which FYI is based entirely around light and you would be better served just dealing with it than the mechanism you have built around it.
edit on 24-3-2020 by LucidWarrior because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 24 2020 @ 03:56 PM
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a reply to: LucidWarrior

Show me where i used the word destruction or creation.

reading comprehension.... Or purposefully incomplete quoting?


depending on what's on the other side.
darkness=miror
light=window


Well worded everything is built around light.

Sincerely NC



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