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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: underwerks
do you regularly go to the doctor when you have a cold?
or seasonal allergies?
here, where I am, not many people are freaking out
there are still packages of toilet tissue and hand sanitizer at the stores
we are out of n95 face masks, but were able to get some before the run on them
(CNN)Lawmakers in Congress are expressing outrage and confusion as to why the United States is not testing individuals for the COVID-19 coronavirus at as fast a pace as other countries, following closed-door briefings with administration officials who failed to explain the discrepancy.
Several members emerged from an all-members House briefing Thursday morning saying they were told the government is working around the clock to make tests, but the US system is trying to catch up to other countries like South Korea.
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Members were exasperated with what they said was a lack of clarity in the officials' answers, as lawmakers struggle to understand how the US has been so far outpaced by other countries grappling with the pandemic.
As he left Thursday's briefing, GOP Rep. Mark Walker of North Carolina said there is "a growing frustration among members as a whole to get more definitive answers" from the administration about testing capabilities.
He said the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention "struggled to give a really strong answer" on why the United States hasn't been able to duplicate testing that is being used in places such as South Korea.
Europe is not the problem. The small number of tests performed in the United States is.
The lack of coronavirus tests in the United States is a confusing problem. It’s not as if American scientists needed to invent a new test. Tests already exist — in small numbers in this country and in much larger numbers in South Korea and elsewhere.
So why haven’t American government agencies or companies been able to produce more test kits and why have only about 5,000 Americans been tested so far?
“Labs and states are worried,” Andy Slavitt, a former director of Medicare and Medicaid, wrote yesterday: They “expect next to no availability to continue for weeks.”
The short answer is a lack of preparation and poor execution by the federal government. The initial tests developed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention had a technical problem — and federal officials were then too slow to find alternatives.
In his Oval Office address last night, President Trump tried to blame Europe for the spread of the virus in the United States. But Europe isn’t the problem (and the fact that indexes tied to the future of the stock market began falling during his speech suggests investors were unnerved by what Trump was saying). A much bigger problem is the lack of testing in the United States.
originally posted by: underwerks
originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: underwerks
If people were able to get tested easily
is this an all in test?
or who should actually be tested?
Whoever shows symptoms.
Figuring out who has it versus who has just the regular flu or cold would let Doctors more accurately gauge the spread and severity of it. And that could go either way.
Either they find out it’s worse than they thought so they’re able to take better protective measures (isolating people, preventing further spread of it) or they find out it isn’t as bad in which case people won’t be freaking out and cleaning out stores of toilet paper.
That seems a better idea to me than looking the other way and hoping things don’t get bad.
Another issue may be the number of people in a given area who require medical care — having a lot of severely ill people in a single region could potentially overwhelm the medical system, Gordon said. She noted that this was likely the case in Wuhan, China, where the coronavirus outbreak began and which saw the majority of COVID-19 cases in China. A recent report from WHO found that the fatality rate was 5.8% in Wuhan, compared with 0.7% in the rest of the country, Live Science previously reported.
Finally, the country may not be catching many of the mild cases of COVID-19. Often, as testing expands within a community, more mild cases are found, which lowers the overall death rate, Gordon said. This was the case in South Korea, which conducted more than 140,000 tests and found a fatality rate of 0.6%, according to Business Insider.
No, I don’t.
This isn’t just the “flu”.
Do other countries routinely quarantine themselves because of the yearly cold or flu?
Or how about weld their citizens into their apartments in a forced quarantine?
I’m in Tennessee. And there isn’t one package of toilet paper left in the Wal-Mart near me. What the public needs more than anything is accurate information.
And the current government is doing everything in their power to make sure no one has any.
Down to classifying any meeting having to do with the Coronavirus.
Does that sound like something people normally do over the cold or flu?
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: DanDanDat
At this point, it gives us an idea of the extent of the problem.
Either we're all going to die -or- it's already widespread and not very many people have been dying and this all much ado about nothing.
But so long as the data is non-existent, we can all stay in a state of fear and confusion which serves no one except those who seek to use it their own ends.
originally posted by: HalWesten
Put the blame where it belongs - the media, especially social media, has been whipping people into frenzies with each potential disaster and here we are.
If massive testing was done and it showed the virus is far more wide spread than we're being led to believe, it might show the number of deaths for the average population to be far lower than the flu. That would be letting a good crisis go to waste. I'm appalled that congress is still going on break. How would they react if all medical personal went on vacation right now?
I keep praying people will wake up and vote out every single lawyer and career politician they can.
TextAmerica’s shamefully slow coronavirus testing threatens all of us
The US lags just about every developed country on testing for Covid-19 disease.
In late February, Julie Eaker, a physician's assistant and supervisor at a small, rural, tribal community health clinic in Siskiyou County, California, had a patient who had a possible exposure to Covid-19. It wasn’t direct: They had been exposed to a person, and that person had been in direct contact with a confirmed Covid-19 case. Eaker’s patient was developing an upper respiratory infection too, and she wanted to ease their peace of mind — and protect the community — by getting them tested for Covid-19.
To this day, the patient still hasn’t been tested for the illness. And it’s not because Eaker didn’t try. The story she describes is Kafkaesque.
First, Eaker called her local health department and was told her patient didn’t qualify for testing since they hadn’t traveled to China, per the guidelines from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention at the time. After the CDC relaxed its testing criteria, the patient was still sick, so Eaker called again. “I didn’t receive a phone call back,” she says.
The patient thought they had pneumonia and asked to be tested for peace of mind. Finally, last week, after Eaker ordered some test kits herself from a private lab, she got a call back. “The health department told me I was not allowed to use those test kits — that I ordered — without their permission!”