Analysis of the social, political and economic ramifications of the virus outbreak

A series of thoughts about all the noise surrounding the Wu-flu outbreak. This just kind of popped into my brain while I was in the shower, but this is the crux of it:

I followed this closely for a while, mostly listening to analysis from Dr. John Campbell and Chris Martensen. I haven't heard any single analysis based on this perspective, but what I'm thinking is an amalgamation of everything I've absorbed.

It occurs to me that there are actually four different but closely connected waves of events that have the outbreak as their epicenter, kind of like N, S, E and W tsunamis from one quake. Each picks up it's momentum from the epicenter and the energy of each is related to the others, but each is separate, travels over a different oceanic topography, and threatens landfall on a different terrain, so each warrants a different response. It seems to me that the different waves are mixed up in the media and most people's minds and this exacerbates our response and state of mind.

The waves are:
1. The epidimiological event, being the actual virus and its effects on the health and medical field.
2. The social wave, being the way the epidemic/pandemic effects society and the way people react to it in the context of community.
3. The economic event, being its effects on commerce, supply, demand, the markets, etc.
4. The political wave, being the way that governments respond, whether to actually protect their people or to take advantage of it as a useful ( manufactured or inflated) crisis to further agendas.

If you think about it, these are, as I said, four very different but very related areas that should be viewed separately while keeping in mind their inherent interconnectedness.

The epidimiological wave is pretty scary taken on it's own. This is the virus and its resulting effects on the health of individuals and society as a whole, as well as the effect of the wave of illnesses on the health care system.

The social wave, though, can do much to mitigate the impact and scariness of the epidimiological wave, both in terms of institutionalizing healthy practices to mitigate spread and in terms of everyone just keeping a cool head and not reacting in thoughtless, fear-driven or selfish ways.

The economic wave is, to a degree, dependent on the social wave. There will be breaks in the supply chain, some goods and services may be in short supply or even unavailable for a time. The impact on the larger financial landscape need not have a major immediate impact on the day to day lives of people, though. The way we share and care for one another is what is important here.

Lastly, the political wave is, in my opinion, potentially the scariest of all, more so than the epidimiological one. What will governments do if they can use this event as an excuse to further agendas that might not otherwise be popular? What are we as a society willing to sacrifice when the government promises to keep us safe from the boogie man in the closet?

Without commenting on whether this immunological crisis is as bad as some claim, I'm looking at the socio-political machinations connected to it and the way that ties to the economic.

You see, fear can be a good thing. Rational fear can keep us from doing stupid and potentially harmful tool things. But irrational fear, that's another story.

First, what's the difference between the two?
>Rational fear is generated by your common sense and past experience. It comes from your own head and remains under your control. It is useful and makes you act prudently. It makes you weigh the benefit against the risk and make sounds decisions.
>Irrational fear comes from outside your head. It is generated and driven by things that seem to be outside of your realm of control. It is harmful and makes you do stupid and potentially harmful things. Those acts may harm you or they may harm others. Very importantly, it actually makes you lose control. It makes people do stupid things (like fight over packages of toilet paper in grocery store aisles).

When we - an individual, a community, or a society - allow an outside entity to instill fear in us, you can always be certain of a few things:

1. It is NEVER for good.
2. It will NEVER be helpful.
3. It is ALWAYS about control.

You see, when people allow irrational fear to take hold, they fall under outside control in one of two ways:
1. Either they become so scared and weak that they willingly allow others to take control of their lives, or...
2. They act in irrational ways and give excuse to others to control them by force.

Whatever happens, wherever this goes, do NOT allow irrational fear to be inculcated into your mind. Do not allow yourself to be controlled. There are entities that want this: don't give it to them.

So now we are here.

The global financial situation is untenable. A black swan event is inevitable. They have brought it to this point on purpose. When you are barely scraping by or even if you have just a decent nest egg, a massive market crash and currency devaluation is catastrophic. If you are in the top tier of the few families that control over half the world's wealth, you can weather it and still come out on top.

As the saying goes, in the land of the blind the one-eyed man is King. They'll put out one of their own eyes if they can make everyone else blind.

Create your black swan event, then, manage it and work it to your advantage. I think that this is what is happening.

The immunological wave is being manipulated by the political wave to manage the social wave in an effort to ultimately force and shape the economic wave.

Again, whether this immunological event is as serious as some are claiming, I don't know; but I think that it is being used as a backdrop to a perhaps much bigger socio-political and economic agenda.

a reply to: incoserv

I am only worried about the possibility of using this as an excuse for mandatory vaccinations.

originally posted by: solve
a reply to: incoserv

I am only worried about the possibility of using this as an excuse for mandatory vaccinations.

And gun confiscations, and mandatory chip implants, or property confiscations if you refuse

a reply to: incoserv

I heard 47 plane orders were cancelled at Boeing.

That's going to HURT.

And if their employees 'come down with it'?

As it is the schools were closed today.

Basically....PROBLEM....REACTION.....SOLUTION...a reply to: incoserv

a reply to: incoserv

Good OP, incoserv!!!

Way too much going on, and I don't believe in coincidences like some of these seem to be.
Yeah, the market was due for a correction.
Yeah, we have these global disease events every hundred years of so.
But, all this at once.

All we can do is control what we can control...and
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posted on Mar, 11 2020 @ 07:14 PM
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WHY???

“I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”--Frank Herbert DUNE

The response to the virus has been way out of proportion to the threat. There are many other diseases, illnesses, and general accidents which kill or injure so many more on a daily basis. Yet, little is done.

It's like the herd got spooked (probably intentionally) and it was off to the races. You are right. Those in charge of things have to respond, they have little choice. Never mind that effort is ill-spent considering the data.

Influenza A is all over the place where I live and has killed quite a few this season. No one gives a s***. Maybe The Flu needs a sexier name. More dramatic and exotic. Maybe the Klingon Brain Eating Death Worm. That's gotta sell some toilet paper.

Thank you. This was astute and well-thought. I really admire the way you synthesized and harnessed different avenues and channels of thought. This is unprecedented and unpredictable. It indeed strange and unnerving, unsettling even. But your insight is very much appreciated. I hope all ATS and their families take heed, stay safe, and be as well as can be in the coming months.

Thank you again incoserv!

a reply to: incoserv
You put all this together while taking a shower? At any rate, the way you made these interactions and reactions to CoronaVirus easily understandable is commendable. Thank-you!

Why didn't the H1N1 Virus have the same effect on society? It killed thousand of Americans...and that was only 11 years ago.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: incoserv
You put all this together while taking a shower? At any rate, the way you made these interactions and reactions to CoronaVirus easily understandable is commendable. Thank-you!

Why didn't the H1N1 Virus have the same effect on society? It killed thousand of Americans...and that was only 11 years ago.

Pretty much in the shower, but it had been baking in my brain for some time. My mind works that way. I run subroutines in the back ground.

To answer your question at to why this didn't happen with HIV/AIDS, the answer is simple; because a black swan event was not needed at the time.

a reply to: incoserv

We need more critical insight like this. Straight away when seeing HOW the news was reporting this...screamed this was being created and aimed for a specific purpose. What purpose? I don't know and I have no proof or evidence besides living and observing for 35 years. Also, like others, i think this is just the jab. A cross/hook is on the way. Again no evidence just a gut feeling.

If indeed this is not an organic event(s), which I have suspected it is not, we must ask WHY.

Is it a case of global players trying to destroy the world rather than lose their control? As messed up as it sounds i do hope that is the case because that means they really are losing control, some of us will live, and life should be so much better without evil lording over us. And any reason to unleash a plauge /crash markets/cause such chaos would have to be a damn good reason.

Which makes me scared that also possible is everything is proceeding normally and on schedule. First the sickness, the economy tanks, then we get Marshall law...etc etc. Order out of chaos right?

So basically for right or wrong I'm beyond thinking this is some random happening. I'm more interested into why and to what end.

a reply to: SuicideKing33

Still, my best guess is a manufacturerd black swan event. As I said in my OP, of the one-eyed man is King in the land of the blind then putting my one eye out to make you blind might behoove me.

We'll have to sit tight and see where it goes.

a reply to: incoserv

I hear that. I just don't know if its a final hail mary play of desperation or if everything is proceeding normally (from a wannabe god king point of view.)

But if everything is proceeding as it should then why the last 3 years of flipping the f out about trump being elected? Why the dumb attempt at impeachment, that stupid caravan and all the other nonsense that has been steadily escalated?

I'm cautiously optimistic that something better is at the end of all this. But if we are right this is waaaaaay beyond trump and democrats.

originally posted by: SuicideKing33
a reply to: incoserv

I hear that. I just don't know if its a final hail mary play of desperation or if everything is proceeding normally ... But if we are right this is waaaaaay beyond trump and democrats.

I think it's definitely beyond Trump and Democrats.

There's been a push-back internationally against globalism. They call it populism as though that were a dirty word, but at it's root it's people fed up with this very crap. "Nationalists" (again, used a a pejotative term) want outsiders to quit meddling in sovereign affairs and using fabricated crises to manipulate socio-political situations to their advantage.

Hail Mary play or not, I believe it's at least (maybe more likely) a test run to see how far they can push the masses before we either push back or capitulate and line up against the wall in orderly and obedient fashion.

originally posted by: Bigbrooklyn
Basically....PROBLEM....REACTION.....SOLUTION...a reply to: incoserv

back in '64-'65 is was reading some household hardcover books in the family library,...
I picked two books about two different Philosophers... Hegel and Heidegger

your post sums up the Hegel 'truism' --> better known as the 'Hegelian Dialect' (spelling)

the other dude was also MK Ultra stuff but prime Nazi stuff first

months later, at 17 years, 3 months old I found myself in Bootcamp Basic Training in Army

hows that for a waste of philosophy learning ?

ETA


reply to: incoserv… your OP thread seems geared to becoming an Analyst for CFR or similar Illuminist/Globalist Think-Tank...?

a reply to: incoserv

Hats off to you and a bump for this thread.

There's been a push-back internationally against globalism. They call it populism as though that were a dirty word, but at it's root it's people fed up with this very crap. "Nationalists" (again, used a a pejotative term) want outsiders to quit meddling in sovereign affairs and using fabricated crises to manipulate socio-political situations to their advantage.

Pretty much all of our western public services have been crippled by privatizations and austerity programs, yet nearly nobody mentions the obvious mistakes when it comes to the overwhelmed healthcare sectors.

This is as much about nationalism as Bernie Sanders is all about Bernie Sanders, and not about the issues and socialist policies. There certainly are people exploiting the situation to promote all kinds of lies, but even they couldn't grow a thing if corruption and crony capitalism didn't provide a lot of futile ground in the first place.
I don't think it's a mere coincidence, that the masses of sheeple flock to a mere reactionist movement with speaking heads like Tucker, brought to us by oligarchs like Rupert Murdoch. "They" keep calling this a "Foreign Virus" for a reason.

Economic impact coming on April 6th: www.newsobserver.com...