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the re-appearence of the MV alta

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posted on Mar, 9 2020 @ 04:33 AM
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iey - appologies this thread is late - i got the alert of its beaching - but was away - so " filed it to do a thread when i return home " - promptly forgot - now doing admin - to cull all dead stuff from comp tablet and phone - oh yeah - forgot that


the synopsis - mearly 2 years ago - the MV alta - a cargo vessel - lost all propulsion in the vicinity of bermuda - a rescue effort by the USCG // USN - safley recovered all crew - but due to weather and distance - nothing was availiable that could take the vessel under tow

for " reasons " - the crew dispesed and found employment on other vessels - and the altas owners and agents nade zero attempots to launch a salvage operation

with no power - all her beacons and AIS were dead - and the ship drifted

a positive sighting was made - nearly 1 year later - by a british research vessel - the ships owners again did nothing

then in feburary 2020 - the vessel was grounded by a storm against the coast of the irish republic - as it then became an " irish problem " - the irish military and specialist civilian contractors - removed toxic hemicals anbd other polutants [ fuels and lubricants ] from the wreck - they hope to recover costs of operations from the insurance policy that was covering the vessel - at the time it was abandoned

the ships owners - still do nothing - and the wreck is " scrap value only " at this point - and its very easy for curcumstances to turn such a salvage operation into a massive financial disaster - so no 3rd party wants to touch it

the irish govt - may have to do something - but they dont want to - unless further environmental issues force them

now the ATS angle

the fact that the vessel driffted un manned from bermuda - to the irish republic - is not that big of a mystery - it was seaworthy when abandoned - with all hatches tight - and its id drift sighting - was at an obvious point

nor is the lack of other sightings - any issue - the north atlantic is a vast expanse of water - and with no electronics - it would be easy to miss - even if within a vessels visual and or radar horizon [ many faint radar returns would be ignored - as they were not a direct threat to a vessels intended track ]

what makes one go hmm - is the blanket claim - that no one knew where it was // tracked it - and its sudden appearence beached on an irish rock outcrop was a " srprise " to everyone

few expect any one to have done anything [ except perhaps a series of notices to mariners - charting its path ] - but such a target - SHOULD have been trackable

it would make a good target for various military units " you exercise today = locate the MV alta "

and its " surprise " landing in the irish republic - makes one wonder whether the irish matitime sruveilience network [ primary - to counter drug and human trafficking vessels ] - is actually working

my " gut instinct " - is that they were for " reasons " - attempting to protect the capabilities - ov various systems - that are mainly public domain already - which begs the question - why ?

but hey - out of time - so - discus




posted on Mar, 9 2020 @ 05:26 AM
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a reply to: ignorant_ape

Hard to believe that any country with access to 5-Eyes satellite surveillance would not have been able to track the ship's drift toward Ireland. Some cloudy days? Okay, but still ...

Cheers



posted on Mar, 9 2020 @ 08:46 AM
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a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

Very easy to believe. Just because they have the way doesn't mean they have the will.

A derelict ship adrift is much lower priority, a hair's width above nil, than anything that could be perceived as a threat to basically security.



posted on Mar, 9 2020 @ 12:53 PM
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maybe easy to find--if one is looking for it

no reason anyone should be eyeballing the middle of the ocean

still, interesting story. wonder if they regret abandoning. probly not worth saving.



posted on Mar, 9 2020 @ 03:55 PM
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a couple of points on ship tracking // detection :

a lot of systems use " wake detection " - as a vessel - generates a huge wake - in proportion to its sixe



a 200m LOA cross chanel ferry [ english chanel ] - with a 22knt opeartional cruise speed

wake is big bright and easy to detect

google will give you more info - on military and civilian apps

obviosly - MV alta - had no wake

also - for tracking live vesselks

lights and thermal [ stack heat ] are big targets - for all but military vessels [ and only a few of those have thermal suppression ]

thats that bit

,y sticking point of personal incredulity - is the plethora of systems out there - that could have tracked this - the need to keep all tested , calibrated and the operators trained

but they claim - no one ever looked - and systems that are SUPPOSED to alert certain authorities of all and every vessel - either failed - or " they " are lying about the fact that systems they publicise - as the tools that are supposed to detect vessels - actually did what they claimed - and detected an errant vessel



posted on Mar, 9 2020 @ 04:22 PM
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No wake because it wasn't under power.




posted on Mar, 9 2020 @ 06:00 PM
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originally posted by: mikell
No wake because it wasn't under power.



At a top speed of 7 1/2 knots she would never leave much of a wake. I’m more concerned about why the owner didn’t sell her to the ship breakers for scrap as opposed to walking away. A small general cargo like Alta has uses. It what we use to refer to a tramp steamer. You still see them plying the Caribbean from island to island.

I would love to have a ship like this, she would make a great research platform or live aboard dive vessel.

It looks like she changed names every few years. I guess she ran out of luck. There is a proper process to change the name of a vessel or bad luck will follow her.




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