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Here's how I see it..... watcha think?

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posted on Mar, 4 2020 @ 05:44 PM
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a reply to: soulwaxer
In a way I did think of that, but I didnt see it as a game changer. Hilary has skin the game and has a real good reason to keep a real close eye on..... on big mouth Joe Biden.
I don't think Hilary would do it though.....It was all fun and games when you think you got the outcome rigged, but Hilary also knows what it really means........ I lost, even though I cheated....... that means the true number of people who hate me is staggering.
I don't believe any democrat can take on Trump....... but what really interest me, is how the Bernie supporters react. I see potential for several different paths....... and I know that Murphy's Law has this way of saying, "Remember me!?"

Initially I asked myself... What would I do if I was a Bernie supporter and the answer is I would vote for Trump just to for paybacks..... just to spite them.
The next likely thing I would do is just stay home on election day and not reward them with my vote.
...... and the last thing I would do, the thing that concerns me most...... I would seek to punish those who wronged me.
After what I have seen over the past 3 years, I think it is reasonable for me to believe that Murphy's Law has a very real chance to insert itself. I hope not, but that damn Murphy's Law seems to have a way of showing up at the perfect wrong time.

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posted on Mar, 4 2020 @ 05:50 PM
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originally posted by: proximo
Um, are you sure you are familiar with Stacy Abrams?

She is in no way likable to the vast majority of the country.


As opposed to the Demon Queen who failed them in 2016 already?

Biden picking the Demon Queen would be right up there in "blunder VP picks" next to McCain picking Palin.



posted on Mar, 4 2020 @ 06:05 PM
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a reply to: TerryMcGuire
So you are easily manipulated..... and therefore everyone else is as well..... a basic human trait, assigning to others their own misgivings.
The greedy thinks everyone is greedy
The self centered believe everyone is self centered

Your premise, in my view is false. I think your experience has caused you to become..... overly re-active.
But I do not for a moment doubt your sincerity.

I often take young people out for a drive, not telling them why and go sit on a bench and ask.... What do you see?
Then I move on to someplace else and ask..... what do you see?
Then I say, now you take me someplace and once again ask..... what do you see?
The answer is never...
I see racism
I see repression
I see a cult of Trump supporters being unkind



posted on Mar, 4 2020 @ 06:11 PM
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originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: chr0naut

There are programs here that address every single one of those problems you mentioned. Some people simply won't take advantage of them or don't know how to proceed to take the necessary procedural steps and apply to receive the help.

We have Federal programs, State programs, County programs, and City programs that help with medical, food, housing, mental health, addiction, loans, job training, etc.

We have Special programs for children and single mothers.

These programs are available, but you have to be proactive.


Yes, but many here would decry those programs as socialism (which they probably are).



posted on Mar, 4 2020 @ 06:18 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Zimnydran

Here's what I think.

Bernie is a socialist. He wants democracy and social programs so that the poorest don't simply die and so that those at the bottom at least have a chance to get 'on the ladder' and out of their situation.

Right wing propagandists see that as Communism, which is something different as it is entirely anti-capitalist.

These same right wing mouthpieces also decry Bernie for his personal wealth and the fact that he supposedly was paid off. This is despite the wealthiness of the right wing candidate and the fact that a Communist shouldn't be motivated by money. In other words, the propagandists cannot see that their 'reasoning' is entirely contradictory as well as based upon misconception.

As a non-American, it looks to me as if Sanders is a reasonable candidate with policies that favor the majority of US citizens, not just the ones with the biggest incomes.


I am guessing you have not done the math. The things he promises require more money..... just for those, than the entire budget already being spent. I am not willing to have my taxes increased to pay for the needs of others.... I need more money, not less.
That being said, I fully support giving our young people a free education. They our all of our kids... of course we want to make their life the best it can be...... But I need something too.
In America the cost per prisoner is about $60k a year, that's a lot of college.
Violent, repeat offenders need to be executed.... not violent first offenders. That would clear out 70% of our prisons and free up money better spent on helping our young people prepare for life........and make our cities safer for everyone.
Everybody wins....... and no one has to give 30% more of their income to the government to misuse



posted on Mar, 4 2020 @ 06:24 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

Most Americans want safety nets for individuals that need them. We DON'T want Socialism across the board.



posted on Mar, 4 2020 @ 06:52 PM
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originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: incoserv

Thank you for your considered questions.
Where to start? ...


Thank you for your well considered reply. Your story is an amazing one and even a bit touching to me. I lived through a similar experience myself about 26 years ago, actually, and consider myself to be a stronger and wiser person for it, as you seem to do, as well. Kudos.

Honestly, much of what you say, I myself have considered. I don't think we've had a real President since Eisenhower. I consider that his last address before leaving office was the last time truth was a welcome and regular occupant of the Oval Office.

I'm not sure what Trump's motivations are, either. I probably doubt them a little less than you do, but I'm not convinced they are all that altruistic. I've said from the beginning of his campaign, he'd made his billions, he had influence, connections. The only thing left to frost the cake was to get his name down in the history books, and I figure that to be his primary motivation, not principles or real convictions. He's certainly done that. That said, he also knows who's buttering his bread, so I think he's beholden and understands that. At least until he's a lame duck.

Then again, he's a bona fide member of the 1% club, so there's that. Makes me question where his deepest loyalties set.

I don't feel that he's as incompetent as you seem to. He does seem to be pulling in advisors who do not see things as he does, and I respect that. We need different points of view. This has caused him some problems as some of those with different views seem to have turned hostile, but that's a risk, and a safer one, IMO, than surrounding one's self with yes men.

So, you did not convinced me, but I understand your position and I respect it. Actually, I probably felt about Obama much the same way you feel about Trump. It helps to have a healthy amount of skepticism in the electorate, and while I disagree with your position, I am grateful that we are not all smitten and that somebody is keeping a critical eye.

Again, thank you for your thoughtful, open and honest reply.



posted on Mar, 4 2020 @ 06:54 PM
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originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: chr0naut

Most Americans want safety nets for individuals that need them. We DON'T want Socialism across the board.

Anybody with any human compassion should feel ashamed that a country as bountiful as the United States still has people (and more than a few) living in tents and cardboard boxes under freeway overpasses.



posted on Mar, 4 2020 @ 07:43 PM
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a reply to: Blue Shift
You do know that many of "those people"...were offered all of those wonderful things..... but then when they found out that there were rules they had to follow..... they declined the assistance.
The ones you see on television.... on social media....... they are the ones who refused help, the ones who merely fell on hard times..... they are in facilities

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posted on Mar, 4 2020 @ 08:10 PM
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originally posted by: Wardaddy454
a reply to: chr0naut


Hypothetically, why the hell would I want to "get on the ladder", and better my situation, if it means I'm going to see my tax rate skyrocket the more and better I improve myself? Especially when I could probably get a hefty little income by way of UBI, and free healthcare!

Or, again hypothetically, I've worked my ass off for 30 years to get to a comfortable place. Suddenly, I'm looking at a tax rate of 42% or more. So now I'm supposed to go to work for 60 hours a week, and watch nearly half my income taken (under threat of jail time or a gun) and given to someone who would rather live off of UBI and free healthcare, instead of helping me support our fellow countryman? And just accept it and grin?

And the goal of Socialism is Communism, I believe it was famously put.


As someone of a reasonable and middle income, where a large portion of that income goes to living costs, that higher tax rate would be misapplied.

There are some whose disposable income is so large that even living a lavish lifestyle barely touches it. It is these people who should be taxed higher. Many of them pay no tax at all - how fair is that?

It is folly to try and take the most money from those who have the least when the richest pickings are at hand and they would hardly notice the difference.

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posted on Mar, 4 2020 @ 08:18 PM
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originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: chr0naut

Most Americans want safety nets for individuals that need them. We DON'T want Socialism across the board.


When you say socialism across the board, exactly what do you mean?

Social programs should be a catch-all for every instance below a certain threshold, but not above it.

It makes no sense to subsidize those who are already living well. It makes even less sense to gift resources to the exceptionally wealthy.

The support programs should not be comfortable, but they should be bare-bones, for survivability purposes only. If they are making people lazy and content, they need to be revised.



posted on Mar, 4 2020 @ 08:19 PM
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originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: chr0naut
Most Americans want safety nets for individuals that need them. We DON'T want Socialism across the board.

Anybody with any human compassion should feel ashamed that a country as bountiful as the United States still has people (and more than a few) living in tents and cardboard boxes under freeway overpasses.

Not because they need to (no options); but because they want to. Some State .gov's allow them to express their individual right to do so. There will be unexpected consequences (disease spread).
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posted on Mar, 4 2020 @ 08:25 PM
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a reply to: Zimnydran



and remember that one line he uttered while he was bragging about getting the Ukrainian prosecutor fired...... Go ahead call Barak he knows all about it.


Remind you of anyone else?




posted on Mar, 4 2020 @ 08:35 PM
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originally posted by: Zimnydran

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Zimnydran

Here's what I think.

Bernie is a socialist. He wants democracy and social programs so that the poorest don't simply die and so that those at the bottom at least have a chance to get 'on the ladder' and out of their situation.

Right wing propagandists see that as Communism, which is something different as it is entirely anti-capitalist.

These same right wing mouthpieces also decry Bernie for his personal wealth and the fact that he supposedly was paid off. This is despite the wealthiness of the right wing candidate and the fact that a Communist shouldn't be motivated by money. In other words, the propagandists cannot see that their 'reasoning' is entirely contradictory as well as based upon misconception.

As a non-American, it looks to me as if Sanders is a reasonable candidate with policies that favor the majority of US citizens, not just the ones with the biggest incomes.


I am guessing you have not done the math. The things he promises require more money..... just for those, than the entire budget already being spent. I am not willing to have my taxes increased to pay for the needs of others.... I need more money, not less.
That being said, I fully support giving our young people a free education. They our all of our kids... of course we want to make their life the best it can be...... But I need something too.
In America the cost per prisoner is about $60k a year, that's a lot of college.
Violent, repeat offenders need to be executed.... not violent first offenders. That would clear out 70% of our prisons and free up money better spent on helping our young people prepare for life........and make our cities safer for everyone.
Everybody wins....... and no one has to give 30% more of their income to the government to misuse


I think the maths doesn't show what you think it does.

Famil y wealth distribution in the US by percentile (2016) - Wikimedia.

Wealth inequality in the United States
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



posted on Mar, 4 2020 @ 08:36 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: chr0naut

The support programs should not be comfortable, but they should be bare-bones, for survivability purposes only. If they are making people lazy and content, they need to be revised.

What ever happens don't define the failures of big daddy .gov as a reason to make it any larger in order to *fix things better* (an even more all encompassing suffocating form of confinement).

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posted on Mar, 4 2020 @ 08:38 PM
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Here's the Joe Biden the American worker needs to remember when they vote in the primaries:

Joe Biden has always been in the pockets of wealthy bankers. His entire purpose as a Senator was to shield wealthy Delaware corporate banks and their precious tax haven status from consumer recourse.



Delaware is essentially a domestic tax haven for corporations, and as a result financial institutions like credit card companies hold tremendous power in the state. As political writer Alexander Cockburn once wrote, "The first duty of any senator from Delaware is to do the bidding of the banks and large corporations which use the tiny state as a drop box and legal sanctuary. Biden has never failed his masters in this primary task. Find any bill that sticks it to the ordinary folk on behalf of the Money Power and you’ll likely detect Biden’s hand at work."


www.gq.com...

He doubled down on his role as the wealthy bank protector just before the great recession by making it even harder for those who aren't part of the DNC's donor class from declaring bankruptcy, and Liz Warren opposed him.

Before this primary is over she will endorse him. That is how corrupt the revolving door between government and the corporate banking industry is. All of this is by design.

When the last Biden boards the corporate rocket to Heaven, they will eagerly use the smoking cinder of this world to propel them to the stars, and they will swear they did it "for the people."

Just say no to Creepy Uncle Joe.



posted on Mar, 4 2020 @ 08:45 PM
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You are giving too much 'analytical' credit to democratic voters. Their OWN political leaders treat them as if they were blind children needing a helping hand crossing the street.



posted on Mar, 4 2020 @ 08:50 PM
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a reply to: Murgatroid

Yes I did. I have noticed as well that conservatives and liberal alike appear to comprehend each other in the same fashion. That is both are finding the other side as being cultish. Thes problems we face are not problems suffered by either side but rather, to my mind,an across the board expression of our willingness to ''follow''



posted on Mar, 4 2020 @ 09:10 PM
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a reply to: TerryMcGuire

It's a good observation, Terry, but if we take it at face value, we run up against a thing not unlike using rockets to move faster than light.

Addressing the primal human need to be led by leaders is impossible from our current position of understanding. We can't get there from here. Trying to fix politics by addressing that would require infinite energy just to come within striking distance of solution.

Which is why humans make war. It requires far less energy to declare the other side the enemy and try to kill it than it does to address the root issue you identified. In fact, it requires infinitely less energy.

Hence, the eternal yin/yang, up/down, right/left, black/white, good/bad, saved/damned, lib/con, and everything that comes with it.



posted on Mar, 4 2020 @ 10:55 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: chr0naut

There is no contradiction in calling out Bernie’s hypocrisy

Say you have two neighbors


neighbor one and two both never mow their own yards

Neighbor one is constantly on you to mow your yard, and says you are disgusting and immoral for not doing it

Neighbor two says “it’s your yard, do what you want, and I don’t mow mine anyways so who am I to call you out for that”

It’s is correct of me to call out neighbor one for being a hypocrite while not doing so to neighbor two

Bernie is one, trump is two

Bernie says being rich is immoral many times, trump doesn’t

That’s why Bernie is a hypocrite that should be called out for his wealth


I think Bernie suggested that being a Billionaire is immoral, not that being rich is immoral.

From a work ethic standpoint, how could anyone have put in that much work to warrant so vast an amount of money?

I do realize that some people have very legally and justly come to a place where they have exceptional wealth, but they are very few.




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