Here's how I see it..... watcha think?

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

So you voted for someone who has been proven to have handled classified materials illegally, who destroyed government property under subpoena and has committed countless other crimes that she'll never be punished for simply because you don't like the guy? Yeah, that makes total sense.

a reply to: Zimnydran

You left out Hildabeast.

I predicted months ago that she would slime her way in from the side as VP, and I'm sticking with that. Why? Because I can't, for the life of me, imagine that the DNC believes that any of their candidates has a chance against Trump. Hildabeast at least has a (very slight) chance of getting enough voters out. Also, as VP she won't have to debate Trump. And if she's in the race, she can use the election meddling card to protect her from the investigation into her private server that just sparked up again.

And of course, Biden will have to step aside due to health reasons, Hillary becomes president, and she can protect Biden from prosecution, or if he is prosecuted, she can pardon him.

soulwaxer

a reply to: chr0naut

There are programs here that address every single one of those problems you mentioned. Some people simply won't take advantage of them or don't know how to proceed to take the necessary procedural steps and apply to receive the help.

We have Federal programs, State programs, County programs, and City programs that help with medical, food, housing, mental health, addiction, loans, job training, etc.

We have Special programs for children and single mothers.

These programs are available, but you have to be proactive.

a reply to: soulwaxer

I think you are right!

It a race to the deposition versus race to vp candidate.

a reply to: shawmanfromny

James "Hollywood" Woods is an idiot if he thinks the Demon Queen has any chance of being the V.P. pick.

She already failed them once vs. Trump. She had her chance, and won't get another.

The Dems have clearly been signaling Stacey Abrams as their VP pick ever since she lost the Georgia gubernatorial election in 2018, and left herself open for VP in 2020 by not seeking reelection in her seat in the Georgia House of Representatives.

Female: Check
Black: Check
Lacking the baggage a Harris or Demon Queen pick would bring: Check
Young enough to not have a 2x geriatric ticket: Check

Furthermore, they also gave her a nation-wide introduction by having her do the 2019 response to the State of the Union address.

They've clearly been setting up Abrams for the VP nod for a few years now.

oh boy

joe"indian accent" biden and stacey “I want to create a lot of different jobs because people shouldn’t have to go into agriculture or hospitality to make a living in Georgia.”abrams
why the hate towards farmers and hotel workers?
they are fine people too

gaffes galore

a reply to: shooterbrody

Yeah, it's gonna be one helluva show.

I think they're also banking on her Midwest roots to help since she was born in... wait for it... Madison, Wisconsin.

originally posted by: shawmanfromny
THIS.....

BINGO! And then it will be president Hillary in short order. The Trump doj and Ukraine need to pool their resources and get Joe Biden indicted before he becomes the party's nominee.

originally posted by: Zimnydran
Bernie has been using his supporters as pawns. Moved into position to be sacrificed, so that a higher piece can hopefully win the game.
Bernie and the democrats believe that all Sanders needs to do is say.....I'm done, orange man bad, vote for Biden..... and his supporters will obey

The only thing wrong with this theory is... Biden has absolutely ZERO chance of winning over Trump. ZERO. Bernie has a much better chance, and he would get squashed like a bug.

originally posted by: chr0naut
As a non-American, it looks to me as if Sanders is a reasonable candidate with policies that favor the majority of US citizens, not just the ones with the biggest incomes.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Thanks, I really, really needed that after the nCoV thread for the last few days...

Bernie is 100% Communist/Socialist/Fascist.

There is no difference between the 3.

Yes, the dictionary definitions are different.

But the actual, real-world implementation of each is pretty much identical.

originally posted by: shawmanfromny
THIS.....

Jesus. It’s like House of Cards!

Not looking for Hitler, but damn that Biden has zero charisma. I guess that's a step up from Hillary who actually had negative charisma, but you don't win elections with it.

People are like little babies and children and you get their attention by shouting and waving. That's the way we do things in this world. Dignified smart guys end up in universities. Flamboyant and obnoxious guys sail on yachts and date models.

Maybe the numbers will turn out different. Maybe all the Democrats will be inspired to vote harder this time and push things toward Biden and the Republicants will get complacent. Hard to say until it happens.

Since I think it's mostly a show put on for us by the wealthy elite, I got no dog in the fight either way.

Hilarious!

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originally posted by: incoserv
Can you tell me exactly what it is about Donald Trump that you find so detestable?

Would make for an awesome thread topic BTW, I too am 100% mind blown over the amount of hate for Trump while I feel the EXACT opposite, it just seems so insane. Every time I think about it, it reminds me of how impossible it is to reason with someone who is in a cult... No insult intended by that BTW, just the analogy seems to fit so perfectly and nothing else makes any sense. I would love to have some insight on this as well...

a reply to: chr0naut


Hypothetically, why the hell would I want to "get on the ladder", and better my situation, if it means I'm going to see my tax rate skyrocket the more and better I improve myself? Especially when I could probably get a hefty little income by way of UBI, and free healthcare!

Or, again hypothetically, I've worked my ass off for 30 years to get to a comfortable place. Suddenly, I'm looking at a tax rate of 42% or more. So now I'm supposed to go to work for 60 hours a week, and watch nearly half my income taken (under threat of jail time or a gun) and given to someone who would rather live off of UBI and free healthcare, instead of helping me support our fellow countryman? And just accept it and grin?

And the goal of Socialism is Communism, I believe it was famously put.

a reply to: incoserv

Thank you for your considered questions.
Where to start? OK. I guess that in order to give you "my ''reasons I will need to open up to you a bit. I have taken this approach only a few times here before only to be reproached with stuff like '' so that makes you an expert'' kind of stuff.

Sadly this explanation has been leveled against Trump with no effect on his supporters. Anyway here goes.

In my early twenties, I'm now in my early seventies, I was connived into a cult. Four year later I managed to extricate myself and my mind from it's clutches though the programming took many more years to eradicate. During that period, once I was out I not only read extensively about cults and cultists but the psychological underpinnings of belief systems and how they can imprison a persons mind. Physical prison is one thing but belief systems can imprison a mind as well.

I needed to know what had happened to me. How I had been conned into action upon a number of beliefs that I had previously held and how those previous beliefs had been used to alter my manner of thought to fit with the teachings and offerings of the cult. I did not want to be fooled again.

As I studied specific cults I began to become aware of just how similar they are, ''though teachings may vary''. This expanded into my understanding that cults grow into larger belief systems that after time lose the ''cult'' classification and develop into religious and other types of programming. The more I studied the more I began to look at much of modern society as having sprung from roots that when looked at in hindsight, were really just cults that had ''grown up.''

One thing I learned is that there are two types of cult leaders. There are cult leaders who believe what they are teaching and then there are those who do not. Those who do believe what they are teaching can convince themselves that the skulduggery they end up doing is part of the higher picture they believe in and hence that skulduggery is justified by the greater good being done as they see it. I kind of think this may be the case with the Clintons. I said maybe.

There is the other kind of cult leader which is the cult leader who does not and never has believed in what he is espousing.
This is the con man, the carnival barker. This is the man who will say or do anything to achieve his own goals, what ever those goals are. In this light, I then studied con men of history from the small to the large?

I recall seeing Clinton, who until that time, climb on stage of the Tonight Show or what ever show that was and play his saxophone. I thought to myself at that moment, what a devious tactic, to show how '' cool'' he is, and sure enough, within two weeks he had soared from 5th in the race to leading the pack. I also recall when he was stepping off of the plane and was descending the steps when the question was first put to him about one of his alleged sexual affairs and he answered no he had not had this affair. I looked at his face and his eyes and knew he was lying.

So, Trump. Yeah, I had watched climbers to the throne, one after another through most of my life acting out that first kind of cult leader I described, the one who maybe believed at first what they were representing until the power that was given them over road their better intentions, waiting, waiting for that second type of cult leader to be lifted up and placed there by those who were being used, just as most of us are by politicians, in the Big Cat Seat.

At first I had slim hope that he was not this way. That maybe his experiences in business rather than government could offer us a better more efficient way of running our government. That didn't last long for me though.

Then I began to watch how he presented himself. ''I am the only way'' I am the only one who can fix America'' That kind of stuff. Me me me.. I can fix it because I know all the good people. Crapola.

One by one I watched him list off the rallying cries of a disgruntled group of conservatives. He fed all of those beliefs right back at those who ended up supporting him. Just like I had learned about how cult leaders work. Feed them what they already believe and channel it through yourself. Classic cult leadership 101.

Back to the Clinton's though. Their cult was begun two decades before Trump started his. For all my study and self training I had and always considered them both to be of that first kind of cult leader, though I will admit that even with all of that, I could have been wrong and as well admit that there is a strong likelihood that I have been, wrong.

Biden? Agggg. What a schmo. Sure he may have been trying to do his best for the American people over the years. Sure, maybe. But his reliance on his time with Obama reeks of culthood. I have little doubt that Obama's following was massively cultish as well. Massively.

So, yes, in many ways they are all the same to me. However one thing stands out still to me. Competency. Clinton at least was competent in his filling his roll. As was Bush one. Bush two , though incompetent himself, at least allowed for competency around him, though the direction of that competency is food for another discussion. (Short side note on Bush two,,,I recall a couple of his early speeches to large crowds. He would stand there giving his talk with little effect on the audience, he was not a particularly emotive speaker. Then he would say, ''God Bless America'' and the audience would go wild. Twice I saw him do that early on and both times , as the crowd he would turn and look off stage to his handlers with that little smirk of his as if to say'' look at this , you were right, all I have to do is say ''God Bless America'' )

Obama as well, at least there was a high degree of competency and THAT also for good or bad still demonstrated an acceptable degree of competency for me.

This guy though is in another ball park entirely. I see him as incompetent. Please don't ask me for my list of reasons.

a reply to: chr0naut

There is no contradiction in calling out Bernie’s hypocrisy

Say you have two neighbors


neighbor one and two both never mow their own yards

Neighbor one is constantly on you to mow your yard, and says you are disgusting and immoral for not doing it

Neighbor two says “it’s your yard, do what you want, and I don’t mow mine anyways so who am I to call you out for that”

It’s is correct of me to call out neighbor one for being a hypocrite while not doing so to neighbor two

Bernie is one, trump is two

Bernie says being rich is immoral many times, trump doesn’t

That’s why bernie is a hypocrite that should be called out for his wealth

originally posted by: redmage
a reply to: shawmanfromny

James "Hollywood" Woods is an idiot if he thinks the Demon Queen has any chance of being the V.P. pick.

She already failed them once vs. Trump. She had her chance, and won't get another.

The Dems have clearly been signaling Stacey Abrams as their VP pick ever since she lost the Georgia gubernatorial election in 2018, and left herself open for VP in 2020 by not seeking reelection in her seat in the Georgia House of Representatives.

Female: Check
Black: Check
Lacking the baggage a Harris or Demon Queen pick would bring: Check
Young enough to not have a 2x geriatric ticket: Check

Furthermore, they also gave her a nation-wide introduction by having her do the 2019 response to the State of the Union address.

They've clearly been setting up Abrams for the VP nod for a few years now.

Um, are you sure you are familiar with Stacy Abrams?

She is in no way likable to the vast majority of the country.

originally posted by: Murgatroid

originally posted by: incoserv
Can you tell me exactly what it is about Donald Trump that you find so detestable?

Would make for an awesome thread topic BTW, I too am 100% mind blown over the amount of hate for Trump while I feel the EXACT opposite, it just seems so insane. Every time I think about it, it reminds me of how impossible it is to reason with someone who is in a cult... No insult intended by that BTW, just the analogy seems to fit so perfectly and nothing else makes any sense. I would love to have some insight on this as well...

They don't have a good reason. The truth is they just hate his personality, and have been force fed hatred and lies about him from the media so long reason is long gone. When really pressed for examples they come up with lies like the fine people hoax, or kids in cages - which Trump actually stopped as soon as he found out about it.

It really really says something that made up stories is the best that they can come up with.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Nice post, I think a lot of us will learn from it as well, thanks for taking the time, this topic has been a huge mind bleep for me... Calm dialog seems to have become all but extinct between the left and right lately... BTW did you see my note above about how this would make an excellent thread topic above?