Noted Right-winger NY Governor Cuomo downplays Trumpvirus fears in press conference

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

Pretty sure I read the other day Corona is 20 times deadlier than the flu.

They're saying 14 times now as in the flu is .1 and Corona is 1.4, but that is numbers from China where the lack of healthcare could have increased the death rate. If you look at the 2018- 2019 flu season in the US 600k went to the Hospital due to complications and 60k died. Now think in China with 40 million walled off in their homes without hospital level care and 1.4% is very feasible, but most likely nothing we will see here. I'm thinking worst case we might see .3.

Ten studies were included in Meta‐analysis, including a total number of 50466 patients with 2019‐nCoV infection. Meta‐analysis shows that, among these patients, the incidence of fever was 89.1%, the incidence of cough was 72.2%, and the incidence of muscle soreness or fatigue was 42.5%. The incidence of acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) was 14.8%, the incidence of abnormal chest computer tomography (CT) was 96.6%, the percentage of severe cases in all infected cases was 18.1%, and the case fatality rate of patients with 2019‐nCoV infection was 4.3%.

Clinical characteristics of 50466 hospitalized patients with 2019‐nCoV infection - Peer reviewed study published in the Journal of Medical Virology.


Granted this is from cases in China which has a generally lower standard of health than that of the U.S.

The recent cases in Washington, and the 6 deaths reported show that there can still be fatal consequences in a first world nation, to say nothing of how it has impacted Italy.

The virus is not a world ending event, nor is it a nothingburger, it will have long ranging consequences though and downplaying the effects it will have on our society does no one any favors.

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

And that study was in hospitalized patients. How many of those patients were hospitalized fort mild to moderate symptoms in China as opposed to having severe cases of the disease?

So the questions then becomes, how many times does the disease take a severe course that would require hospital care as opposed to a mild to moderate course where you beat it at home?

You can bet they weren't wasting space for mild to moderately ill patients in China and may even have been sending severely ill ones home in some cases when things were at their worst.

Here in the states, we're still at the stage where we're tending to try to quarantine even the mildly ill choosing to believe we can completely halt the spread of this illness, but that time has past in other places like China, it never happened in Iran, and I think they're beyond it in Italy.

originally posted by: XCrycek


Trump is in danger too then. Unhealthy diet, bad shape and 70+ of age.

I didn't say unhealthy diet, I said unhealthy as in things like High Cholesterol, Hypertension, Type 2 Diabetes, Substance Use Disorder... This doesn't mean Trump has any of these just because he is 70+.

a reply to: Xtrozero

No, but being 70+ is an increased risk factor all by itself.

a reply to: face23785

The Medicaid and public health programs in New York are almost out of money. The last thing Governor Cuomo wants is for a flood of people coming in for those $2,000 coronavirus tests.

a reply to: face23785

In a country full of hyperpartisans and with a looming election anything that will win votes is on the cards, even schools being shot up by crazy people to are used as political tools, what did you expect .

The only thing I'm sure of is the reports we get through media are not facts, they are misrepresentations of the facts.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

There is no doubt that if you land in the hospital because of it, this is a serious situation for you. However, there is serious doubt as to how many people overall will land in the hospital with it.

The problems will be secondary logistical issues more than anything I think.

a reply to: ketsuko

I totally agree and have been saying as much since the deaths started outside of China.

The impact on goods and services as well the economy will be the biggest killer, well unless this virus mutates into a deadlier form and still manages to be communicable.

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: incoserv

HOW DARE HE CITE FACTS?! Doesn't he know that facts can hurt people's feelings?

Obviously. That’s why he’s lying.

The U.S. healthcare system is actually ranked 27th in the world. Colombia in South America has better healthcare than America does.

Link

So, after Obamacare.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Fair statement

a reply to: face23785

WTF are you talking about?
Did I trip your PSD? Sorry i fI did.

a reply to: ketsuko

WTF can you clarify what you wrote?

originally posted by: Waterglass
a reply to: ketsuko

WTF can you clarify what you wrote?

Yes, in the US your health care sucks.

Then someone else calls you on it.

So then, it's oh well it sucks unless you're in one of these groups and it sucks for everyone else.

Classic goalpost shift.

a reply to: ketsuko

Yes, in the US your health care sucks

I agreed with you from my 1st sentence. So WTF is up with you?

originally posted by: incoserv

I'm about to have a gall bladder removal and umbilical hernia repair done laparoscopically at a top-notch clinic that is recognized by the Canadian national health care system as accredited. It's not cheap for a typical Mexican laborer and they'd more likely be enmeshed in the national system, but for this gringo, it's ridiculously inexpensive compared to what it'd cost stateside (total cost probably less than what your deductible would be) and the quality of care is at least what you'd get stateside and, I'd dare say, in some repects probably better.

My co pay is zero, so pretty low...lol

How does this healthcare relate across the population there and not just a higher paying foreigner? I can agree your in good company for what you want to do, but I still suggest if you need open heart or a joint replacement I would not go there.

originally posted by: ketsuko

So the questions then becomes, how many times does the disease take a severe course that would require hospital care as opposed to a mild to moderate course where you beat it at home?

You can bet they weren't wasting space for mild to moderately ill patients in China and may even have been sending severely ill ones home in some cases when things were at their worst.

How many severe cases were stuck in their homes with barely clean potable water?

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: face23785

- The 1.4% mortality rate that's projected by WHO is based largely on the cases in China. In countries with better medical standards, like the US, the mortality rate should be lower

Well, 2 dead out of ..64 cases I believe, is higher than 1.4%

Apparently 6 dead now in King County

So now the Democrats are blaming Trump for a virus that originated in China. The Trump-virus. Another clear and all to obvious ploy to try to discredit Trump and get heart attack waiting to happen Sanders or brain aneurysms and surgery Biden elected.

Sigh. What's next? I know they will blame Trump for Sanders very recent heart attack, and blame him somehow for Biden having to have brain surgery.

YES, the virus seems to mainly kill old people. So Congress better watch out if one of them gets it, it could wipe out nearly all of Congress and the Senate.

Want to know who to blame?

Think:

Where did the virus originate?
A town with a bio-weapons facility

Who does the virus target?
The elderly

Which country has an enormous problem with having too many elderly?


What forms of government are willing to kill or let people die who the elite politicians feel are a threat to society?
Socialism and Communism have both been proven to do that

What people are posing the greatest threat to China right now?
The elderly, because young families are supporting 6 adults and single men are supporting and caring for 2 elderly adults. Their culture demands children care for their parents and never put them in care.

What is the greatest economic threat to China right now?
Too many non-productive elderly using up too much of the social and economic resources

Would the Chinese develop a virus just to kill off the elderly population?
Yes, Mao bragged about killing 700,000 people who he thought were a threat to the greater good of the country, (people who did not believe in communism). This sort of thing is not unthinkable if the greater good of society is the upmost importance and concern of the political elite. Especially if the threat were non-productive and burdensome to society.

Hmmmmm

Of course, if I were a Democrat, I'd say Trump called China and asked them to develop the virus and to send it to the US.

If I were a liberal, I'd say Trump called Putin and had him design the virus and sneak it into China, people have noticed that Russia so far seems to be free of the virus.

If I were a progressive, I'd say Trump is personally responsible for each and every case of the virus in the entire world.

That is the mindset of progressive/liberal/Democrats these days. "It's the far right's fault, it's Trump's fault. What is? Everything!!!!!!!!"

originally posted by: Oathkeeper73

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: JAY1980

It's history. You can't create socialist Utopia without a lot of people dying.

You spelled 'capitalist' wrong.

Hahahahahahahhahhahaha!!
You're not funny...at all

I know, right?