Corona - Covid19 - General Discussion

a reply to: clay2 baraka

Vitamin D takes care of Cytokine storms,
by curtailing the production of T-cells
Reduces the probability and severity of respiratory tract infections by 75%

a reply to: all2human

Curcumin (found in turmeric) has shown promise in regulating cytokine response as well..

originally posted by: drussell41


a reply to: saladfingers123456

I'll only be going out to pick up groceries (not shop, just pick up). I'll wash well after handling the groceries and let everything sit for at least 9 hours before using it.

Well it's 9 days not hours before the buggers dies. Wipe packages with appropriate cleaner then use. fresh same but rinse in fresh water.

This should help you decide What kills coranavirus

originally posted by: puzzled2

originally posted by: drussell41


a reply to: saladfingers123456

I'll only be going out to pick up groceries (not shop, just pick up). I'll wash well after handling the groceries and let everything sit for at least 9 hours before using it.

Well it's 9 days not hours before the buggers dies. Wipe packages with appropriate cleaner then use. fresh same but rinse in fresh water.

This should help you decide What kills coranavirus

Nine days. I could have sworn I read 2 hours for metal and 9 hours for everything else, but thanks for LMK. Frankly, I'm beginning to think this is hopeless.

Sitting here alone in the house and just heard someone cough. We've had two felony thefts here, our neighbors had their car stolen, and another had the copper wiring ripped out right before they moved in. Someone was getting into our backyard too....which is now locked up adequately. Wouldn't it be interesting if, because of COVID-19, you could now hear criminals coming because they couldn't keep from coughing?

"Why, thank you, Criminal, for the early warning." (homeowner gets out weapon of choice and waits to see if something is going to happen)

My husband was in Africa for a while, and he said that hearing a lion bark softly close to your camp was pretty intimidating. I can sympathize with that more now. FWIW, he loves Mitch Hedberg's act on Smokey the Bear: "Smokey is way more intense in person." Thinks it absolutely applies to lions and elephants both. I think it applies to criminals.

Last I heard it survivess 4 days on paper and up to 9 days on metal, plastic and smooth surfaces.

Its really interesting/strange how society operates on a psychological level around situations like this one.

Back in January when this issue started to pop out of China and very few people outside of internet sights such as this one where discussing it, I'd bring it up in casual discussion amongst my friends and family; all of whom where not intrested or labeled me a conspiracy theorist (which to be clear I never discussed the more conspiratorial things discussed here at ATS, simple the mundane things being reported out of China per the MSM).

But now; almost starting this week exactly (three plus months after this whole thing really started) its all people can talk about. Which can be understandable by itself; but not only are they talking about it non stop... everyone thinks they are an expert.

They bring up information available for months with a "Did you hear ... " as if they discovered something everyone else is in the dark about.

Right now in the hall there is a conversation going on about Toilet Paper; "Did you hear stores are running out of Toilet Paper" ... "Yea my wife was at Walmart yesterday and she says the shelves are empty" ... "Wow thats crazy"...

Now I personally don't feel this pandemic is going to be the end of the world, but rather a minor blip in the decade; but I'm also not reckless and made sure I had enough supplies in case I am wrong. But because of that my own wife about a month and 1/2 ago made a joke at my expense on social media and all our friends laughed and had a good time. Now all those same people are freaking out as if the sky is falling.

The key here is to understand that the US has failed to initiate a viable testing apparatus, as the American immunologist Anthony Fauci has just testified to in Congress.

AMERICA HAS FAILED to get a sufficient number of testing out to the American public therefore the US may be subject to the same kind of dystopian actions that now exists in Italy.

I mean, this is an NWO conspiracist nightmare come true but at this point is the only method left.

We could have done as they did in Taiwan where they just have 47 coronavirus cases and few deaths but here in the greatest country in the world, THEY HAVE FAILED therefore we likely are headed for major disruptions and quarantine as in Italy.

a reply to: Willtell
Well, the CDC was in charge. No wonder.

So i've gone about my own hypothesis
of how long this will take until we will be able to resume our normal lives
At the risk of licking handrails
And from what we are still seeing in China it will be at least 4 months.
but more than likely 8
Assuming a wold record will be broken in developing a vaccine by November
So between 4-8 months before normal activities can be expected.

a reply to: drussell41

9 days? latest studies show that the virus could be detected up to three hours later in the air, up to four hours on copper, up to 24 hours on cardboard and up to two to three days on plastic and stainless steel. And... it could be a little more or a little less depending on other conditions.

• Human coronaviruses in general are known to persist on inanimate surfaces such as metal, glass or plastic for up to 9 days (5).

...

5. Kampf G, Todt D, Pfaender S, Steinmann E. Persistence of coronaviruses on inanimate surfaces and its inactivation with biocidal agents. J Hosp Infect. 2020;Feb 6. Pii:s0195-6701(20)30046-3. doi:10.1016/j.jhin.2020.01.022 [epub ahead of print]

Laboratory biosafety guidance related to coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19): interim guidance, 12 February 2020(direct .pdf link)

And

Evidence of clusters of infected family members and medical workers confirmed the presence of human-to-human transmission (12) by droplets, contact and fomite (26-27).

...

26. Guan WJ, Ni ZY, Hu Y et al. Clinical characteristics of 2019 novel coronavirus infection in China. medRxiv preprint first posted online Feb. 9, 2020. doi: dx.doi.org... Accessed February 13, 2020. Google Scholar

27. Zhou P, Yang XL, Wang XG et al. A pneumonia outbreak associated with a new coronavirus of probable bat origin. Nature. 2020 Feb 3. doi: 10.1038/s41586-020-2012-7. [Epub ahead of print] Crossref, Google Scholar

emphasis mine

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19): A Perspective from China

And with regards to viral transmission in general:

Coronavirus Hospitals (23), apartment (62) Phones, doorknobs, computer mouse, toilet handles (23), latex gloves, sponges (68)

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23. Dowell, S. F., J. M. Simmerman, D. D. Erdman, J. W. Juinn-Shyan, A. Chaovavanich, M. Javadi, J. Y. Yang, L. J. Anderson, S. Tong, and M. S. Ho. 2004. Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus on hospital surfaces. Clin. Infect. Dis. 39:652-657. [PubMed] [Google Scholar]

Significance of Fomites in the Spread of Respiratory and Enteric Viral Disease

Yes, potentially 9 days.

originally posted by: drussell41
a reply to: Willtell
Well, the CDC was in charge. No wonder.

I'm not sure if you missed it but it wasn't the CDC you see addressing the nation and telling people what's going on, those guys just stood next to the guy telling us what's going on, and you might have noticed just how awkward they all looked standing there listening.

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Study in Scientific Reports, in 2017:
Universal and reusable virus deactivation system for respiratory protection

Same researcher, last month...I can find very few articles about this:
A biomedical engineer created a mask coated in salt that he says could neutralize viruses like the coronavirus in 5 minutes

I took away good info from it, thought you might, too.

*waves at you* Long time, no see, eh?

a reply to: MotherMayEye

I got something out of it so thanks for that, salt pierces the virus and kills it according to that, please excuse my lamens term.

Very interesting.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed



The treatment was applied to regular surgical masks, too. And they were safe to handle five minutes after exposure.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Nature will find a way comes to mind, good to see you posting again...

Update Mar.13/20 - 11pm EST
Wuhan Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Global Cases (by JHU CSSE)
gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com...#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Canada * 81-Ontario, 64-British Columbia, 29-Alberta, 17-Quebec
4-Manitoba, 2-Grand Princess, 1-New Brunswick, 2-Saskatchewan
Cruise Ship 43-Canadians are currently infected -- Total 118+43=161
www.canada.ca... nuary-4-2018/canadas-pandemic-plan.html

coronavirus.1point3acres.com... USA & Canada Updates

Mar.01/20 - 4 more confirm + 20 Canada = Total 24
Mar.02/20 - 3 more confirm + 24 Canada = Total 27
Mar.03/20 - 6 more confirm + 27 Canada = Total 33
Mar.04/20 - 1 more confirm + 33 Canada = Total 34
Mar.05/20 - 14 more confirm + 34 Canada = Total 48
Mar.06/20 - 6 more confirm + 48 Canada = Total 54
Mar.07/20 - 6 more confirm + 54 Canada = Total 60
Mar.08/20 - 6 more confirm + 60 Canada = Total 66
Mar.09/20 - 11 more confirm + 66 Canada = Total 78
Mar.10/20 - 19 more confirm + 78 Canada = Total 97
Mar.11/20 - 21 more confirm + 78 Canada = Total 118
Mar.12/20 - 40 more confirm + 118 Canada = Total 158
Mar.13/20 - 42 more confirm + 158 Canada = Total 200

Feb.27/20 - 131 more confirm + 139 Iran = Total 270
Feb.28/20 - 118 more confirm + 270 Iran = Total 388
Feb.29/20 - 205 more confirm + 388 Iran = Total 593
Mar. 1/20 - 385 more confirm + 593 Iran = Total 978
Mar. 2/20 - 523 more confirm + 978 Iran = Total 1,501
Mar. 3/20 - 835 more confirm + 1,501 Iran = Total 2,336
Mar. 4/20 - 586 more confirm + 2,336 Iran = Total 2,922
Mar. 5/20 - 591 more confirm + 2,922 Iran = Total 3,513
Mar. 6/20 - 1,234 more confirm + 3,513 Iran = Total 4,747
Mar. 7/20 - 1,076 more confirm + 4,747 Iran = Total 5,823
Mar. 8/20 - 743 more confirm + 5,823 Iran = Total 6,566
Mar. 9/20 - 595 more confirm + 6,566 Iran = Total 7,161
Mar.10/20 - 881 more confirm + 7,161 Iran = Total 8,042
Mar.11/20 - 958 more confirm + 8,042 Iran = Total 9,000
Mar.12/20 - 1,075 more confirm + 9,000 Iran = Total 10,075
Mar.13/20 - 1,289 more confirm + 10,075 Iran = Total 11,364

Feb.27/20 - 202 more confirm + 453 Italy = Total 655
Feb.28/20 - 234 more confirm + 655 Italy = Total 889
Feb.29/20 - 239 more confirm + 889 Italy = Total 1,128
Mar. 1/20 - 566 more confirm + 1,128 Italy = Total 1,694
Mar. 2/20 - 342 more confirm + 1,694 Italy = Total 2,036
Mar. 3/20 - 466 more confirm + 2,036 Italy = Total 2,502
Mar. 4/20 - 586 more confirm + 2,502 Italy = Total 3,089
Mar. 5/20 - 769 more confirm + 3,089 Italy = Total 3,858
Mar. 6/20 - 778 more confirm + 3,858 Italy = Total 4,636
Mar. 7/20 - 1,247 more confirm + 4,636 Italy = Total 5,883
Mar. 8/20 - 1,492 more confirm + 5,883 Italy = Total 7,375
Mar. 9/20 - 1,797 more confirm + 7,375 Italy = Total 9,172
Mar.10/20 - 977 more confirm + 9,172 Italy = Total 10,149
Mar.11/20 - 2,651 more confirm + 10,149 Italy = Total 12,462
Mar.12/20 - 2,651 more confirm + 12,462 Italy = Total 15,113
Mar.13/20 - 2,547 more confirm + 15,113 Italy = Total 17,660

www.worldometers.info...

Update Mar.14/20 - 11pm EST
Wuhan Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Global Cases (by JHU CSSE)
gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com...#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Canada * 103-Ontario, 73-British Columbia, 39-Alberta, 24-Quebec
4-Manitoba, 4-Grand Princess, 2-New Brunswick, 3-Saskatchewan
1-Prince Edward Island, 1- Newfoundland & Labrador Total= 254
www.canada.ca... nuary-4-2018/canadas-pandemic-plan.html

coronavirus.1point3acres.com... USA & Canada Updates

Mar.01/20 - 4 more confirm + 20 Canada = Total 24
Mar.02/20 - 3 more confirm + 24 Canada = Total 27
Mar.03/20 - 6 more confirm + 27 Canada = Total 33
Mar.04/20 - 1 more confirm + 33 Canada = Total 34
Mar.05/20 - 14 more confirm + 34 Canada = Total 48
Mar.06/20 - 6 more confirm + 48 Canada = Total 54
Mar.07/20 - 6 more confirm + 54 Canada = Total 60
Mar.08/20 - 6 more confirm + 60 Canada = Total 66
Mar.09/20 - 11 more confirm + 66 Canada = Total 78
Mar.10/20 - 19 more confirm + 78 Canada = Total 97
Mar.11/20 - 21 more confirm + 78 Canada = Total 118
Mar.12/20 - 40 more confirm + 118 Canada = Total 158
Mar.13/20 - 42 more confirm + 158 Canada = Total 200
Mar.14/20 - 52 more confirm + 200 Canada = Total 252

Feb.27/20 - 131 more confirm + 139 Iran = Total 270
Feb.28/20 - 118 more confirm + 270 Iran = Total 388
Feb.29/20 - 205 more confirm + 388 Iran = Total 593
Mar. 1/20 - 385 more confirm + 593 Iran = Total 978
Mar. 2/20 - 523 more confirm + 978 Iran = Total 1,501
Mar. 3/20 - 835 more confirm + 1,501 Iran = Total 2,336
Mar. 4/20 - 586 more confirm + 2,336 Iran = Total 2,922
Mar. 5/20 - 591 more confirm + 2,922 Iran = Total 3,513
Mar. 6/20 - 1,234 more confirm + 3,513 Iran = Total 4,747
Mar. 7/20 - 1,076 more confirm + 4,747 Iran = Total 5,823
Mar. 8/20 - 743 more confirm + 5,823 Iran = Total 6,566
Mar. 9/20 - 595 more confirm + 6,566 Iran = Total 7,161
Mar.10/20 - 881 more confirm + 7,161 Iran = Total 8,042
Mar.11/20 - 958 more confirm + 8,042 Iran = Total 9,000
Mar.12/20 - 1,075 more confirm + 9,000 Iran = Total 10,075
Mar.13/20 - 1,289 more confirm + 10,075 Iran = Total 11,364
Mar.14/20 - 1,365 more confirm + 11,364 Iran = Total 12,729

Feb.27/20 - 202 more confirm + 453 Italy = Total 655
Feb.28/20 - 234 more confirm + 655 Italy = Total 889
Feb.29/20 - 239 more confirm + 889 Italy = Total 1,128
Mar. 1/20 - 566 more confirm + 1,128 Italy = Total 1,694
Mar. 2/20 - 342 more confirm + 1,694 Italy = Total 2,036
Mar. 3/20 - 466 more confirm + 2,036 Italy = Total 2,502
Mar. 4/20 - 586 more confirm + 2,502 Italy = Total 3,089
Mar. 5/20 - 769 more confirm + 3,089 Italy = Total 3,858
Mar. 6/20 - 778 more confirm + 3,858 Italy = Total 4,636
Mar. 7/20 - 1,247 more confirm + 4,636 Italy = Total 5,883
Mar. 8/20 - 1,492 more confirm + 5,883 Italy = Total 7,375
Mar. 9/20 - 1,797 more confirm + 7,375 Italy = Total 9,172
Mar.10/20 - 977 more confirm + 9,172 Italy = Total 10,149
Mar.11/20 - 2,651 more confirm + 10,149 Italy = Total 12,462
Mar.12/20 - 2,651 more confirm + 12,462 Italy = Total 15,113
Mar.13/20 - 2,547 more confirm + 15,113 Italy = Total 17,660
Mar.14/20 - 3,497 more confirm + 17,660 Italy = Total 21,157

www.worldometers.info...

Germany

Big Brother contestants have NOT been told about Coronavirus pandemic


wow.....
wonder how the German public feels about this?