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posted on Feb, 28 2020 @ 09:48 AM
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I don't like either party. It's screwed up how everything is drawn so strictly between party lines.

On the left you have people like Yang who argue for UBI and addressing the wealth disparity, which is a huge issue. But then he's also a leftist freakshow that supports sexual perversion, abortion, freeing criminals, and open borders. This sick pack of leftist issues is all self-destructive and I want nothing to do with it. It's insane. Every democrat candidate is part of this "progressivist" platform that wants to regress us back to a pagan caveman era before we developed a code of laws.

On the right sure they stand against the immoral stuff, but then they're all pro big-business. Lower taxes on the wealthy, trickle down economics, outsource jobs and screw over US workers, pay less work harder, it's all your fault because you aren't improving yourself even though college costs more than ever and sends students into decades of debt. They have no plan to address the wealth disparity and I think they want to widen the gap. Every republican is in bed with big business and the working class might as well be expendable. They certainly treat us that way.

Both parties roll out huge budget plans with big government "solutions" to our problems that cost trillions of dollars but are managed by bureaucrats that sit in offices 1000 miles away and decide how best to spend all that money to supposedly solve your problems, but they always end up richer, the plan falling through, and your problems never being addressed. Do you know where else you see the love of huge centralized plans? Communist states.

I want a platform that opposes the immorality of the left but adopts a plan for addressing the wealth disparity. I don't want huge centralized plans, I want the people involved in the solution. No more outsourcing. The student loan bubble that is inflating the cost of college tuition should be popped. We need to take a serious look at UBI and maybe trial it in a town or even a state and see the impact it has on the economy, public and private debt, and people's lives.

For a long time I've believed in moral capitalism but it's a pipe dream. Power corrupts and relying on the rich to do the moral thing is a stupid thing to do because they won't. You can't rely on a corrupt self-serving person to act in other people's best interests.

Idealist models that only work on paper aren't going to save us. Socialism/Communism are not the way to go. Every Communist state has collapsed. We don't need that here. UBI is not socialism. It gives wealth to the working masses who spend it in the free market. It's a capitalist solution.

We need a solution for wealth disparity that works in a corrupt system. UBI might work if it's sold to the rich as a solution that benefits everyone, including them. It certainly gives the poor more money to buy things, which supports their businesses. It could be paid for with a tax rather than by running up more debt, and may help the nation's budget if it replaces other forms of welfare. It directly helps each and every citizen who are each involved in their own part in saving the economy and it doesn't rely on a corrupt bureaucrat to decide how best to spend a huge pile of taxpayer money.

But I don't want it served to me with the democrat's plan for rampant immorality.




posted on Feb, 28 2020 @ 09:49 AM
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a reply to: MarlbBlack

Seen too many Democrat debates this time around to vote for any of them. None of them are realistic candidates.



posted on Feb, 28 2020 @ 10:16 AM
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originally posted by: incoserv
Who's in that 1%?


...virtually EVERYONE serving in national elected offices.



posted on Feb, 28 2020 @ 10:18 AM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

I thought the 1% was just shorthand for "everyone who has more than me" which means I end up in someone else's "1%".



posted on Feb, 28 2020 @ 10:28 AM
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a reply to: Wookiep

There has definitely been a shift, and it's skewed appearances quite a bit.

To give a vastly oversimplified sweeping generalization, Libertarians tend to be fiscally conservative and socially liberal. "I don't give a damn if Bob and Steve down the road want to get married; get the federal government outta my business and lower my taxes", so to speak.

Given that "gay marriage = fine, and big/expensive gov = bad", and the fact that (with the exception of Justin Amash) fiscal conservatism is dead in DC (abandoned in favor of Trumpisim with its trillion dollar annual deficits), politically active Libertarians can certainly appear to be SJW-ish at times when discussing socially liberal ideas, or disapproving of Trump and his absurd spending and tendencies. Because the nation is hyper-polarized ANY criticism of Trump is always met with waves of "TDS/SJW" accusations. Libertarians haven't really changed, the political landscape around them has.

Again, the above is vastly oversimplified, but should get across the general idea.

As for GenX-ers, we're a numerically small generation being largely outnumbered by both our predecessors, and our progeny. "Under-representation" in DC would parallel our natural "Under-representation" in the general population figures, so seeing the President go directly from boomer to millennial wouldn't shock me in the least.
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posted on Feb, 28 2020 @ 08:36 PM
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"left-wing" media is actually owned by right wing Republicans who share your libertarian laissez faire capitalist agenda.


Cool story bro. I'm honestly not interested in a single word you have to say. You sit there with your patronizing tone constantly with this then make statements like "I like Nancy Pelosi I think she's great!". I don't even remotely take you serious.
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posted on Feb, 28 2020 @ 08:39 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Don't worry... It's dfnj2015. No one knows what he is on about but whatever it is, it ain't zen.



posted on Feb, 28 2020 @ 08:47 PM
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I said this before the 2016 election:

The US is going down the crapper....it is unavoidable.

If Hillary wins........it would be a quick flush....maybe 6 months before we go tits up.

It Trump wins.......its a slow flush.......we will still be circling the drain and eventually at some point ..it all goes down.



We are at the end of the slow flush.
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posted on Feb, 28 2020 @ 09:00 PM
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a reply to: RickinVa

only because the people that are in charge, I see everyday there is hope.. I don't run into racism, all we do as a human is hold the door when needed or say whaaadup from time to time.. We obviously are to blame where our country is head but I believe there is hope... there is always hope or why would we be?
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posted on Feb, 28 2020 @ 09:35 PM
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a reply to: Wookiep

Wow.....
I think you actually wrote this for me. Or I could have written nearly the same thing with the thoughts and feelings I have on the subject.
I also consider myself a libertarian when they were actually libertarians.
Now I define my political views as "Constitutional Conservative " because the libertarians went bat # crazy.
I also didn't vote for Trump. I thought he was a shill to help Hillary get elected.
If possible I will vote for him this time around though.
Gen Xers are stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Boomers started the downfall and millenials want to finish it off (painting with a broad brush, sorry no "safe zones").
Quad



posted on Feb, 28 2020 @ 10:33 PM
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Trump is to blame for....(INSERT WEEKLY BS)

Remember when Hillary was going to win?
Remember Russian Collusion?
Remember Impeachment?

The media is not even talking about impeachment anymore and that was to be the end all to Trump. Now it is the 'incompetent response'. They are parrots. Given the script and repeat it over and over and over till it is the truth to the weak minded to be honest.

Trump will pull a 15% Black Vote in 2020.
Trump will pull a major Red State in 2020.
Trump will appoint two more SCOTUS judges.

These are facts. Things that the media does not want to talk about because they still think Biden is a viable candidate. Bernie is just pushing it so his off shore account grows 3x after it is taken away from him.

There is a big shift and it is away from the lies of the US government we have had shoved down our throats for decades.



posted on Feb, 28 2020 @ 10:49 PM
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a reply to: matafuchs
OK?

What about the topic of the thread? Genx'ers getting their shot.



posted on Feb, 28 2020 @ 11:34 PM
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a reply to: daskakik




There is a big shift and it is away from the lies of the US government we have had shoved down our throats for decades.


...said a Gen X'r (me) just like the OP.

There is a shift. Gen X/Boomers/Millennial are all about even on population with Gen X taking over Boomers but still more Millennials.

The issue is like it has always been. Those who are young and active do not vote more than those who have been around the block a few times.

18-30 - Blame the government
30-60 - My taxes are wasted
60-90 - Don't take my benefits

Pretty easy when you think about it...



posted on Feb, 28 2020 @ 11:47 PM
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The shift has been the amount of extremely low IQ individuals populating the earth who are bringing the whole thing down to their level of smart, which aint much. Common sense is dead. When your idea of smart is competing with other idiots it brings the whole thing down. Don't care what people think about that, I'm an observer. I was taught to be, by people. All I see are morons, NPCs and people who only care about themselves and what they can get for themselves. The real ones are dying out. If that's flushing then the whole world is on that path, not just us in this country.



posted on Feb, 29 2020 @ 12:01 AM
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a reply to: matafuchs

But your post was mostly about Trump who isn't a Genx'er.

Seems to me everybody 18 to 90 blames the government, so you are not really saying much.



posted on Feb, 29 2020 @ 01:03 AM
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a reply to: daskakik

18-90 do blame the gov because we see them in the news taking bribes and looking at us like we were serfs. Douchebagery in Washington says we should DRAIN THE DAMN SWAMP.

Some people are fighting that here on ATS. Check yourselves and learn to vote out YOUR Congressmen if they are caught or your gut tells you they are crooked. People keep ignoring their gut on these criminals and we will not have a free citizenry ever again.



posted on Feb, 29 2020 @ 08:07 AM
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Here is a song for you to meditate upon, while considering the games.



posted on Feb, 29 2020 @ 08:38 AM
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originally posted by: Quadrivium
I also consider myself a libertarian when they were actually libertarians.
Now I define my political views as "Constitutional Conservative " because the libertarians went bat # crazy.


Libertarians haven't shifted. They're the same as they've always been.

Here's the modern breakdown as simple as it gets...

Fiscally and socially liberal = Democrat
Fiscally liberal and socially conservative = Republican
Fiscally conservative and socially liberal = Libertarian

By abandoning fiscal conservatism (in favor of Trumpisim with its trillion dollar annual deficits) Republicans have thrown away the common ground they once shared with Libertarians. That's what shifted.

The good news (if you can call it that) is that Republicans and Democrats are predictably and hopelessly hypocritical. Once a Democrat eventually wins another Presidential election, Republicans will cease and desist immediately labeling and dismissing fiscal conservatives as being "deranged" (the "D" in "TDS"). Once more proclaiming to take up the mantle by making the defect and national debt their #1 issue and screaming about it like their hair is on fire. Until then, being a fiscal conservative is a lonely position to hold in American politics.
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posted on Feb, 29 2020 @ 09:48 AM
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a reply to: Wookiep

Ron Paul people split up and went their various ways politically, some support Trump because they saw the American machine against him like it was against Ron, but he won.
Others went over to Sanders another disrupter, Ron Paul people would never go for a Hillary type.
But the movement that he built in 2008 & 2012 went to his son; some did not follow.

Libertarians should be at odds with the Alt-left they want to control "what is good" and others well "they don't get to choose" if they have a different opinion, remind you of a fictional "mad queen". There is no more argument on merit or superior ideological back forth, it's just demonize all the people with different idea's.

The only one that was doing that was Tulsi Gabbard, and look how the media sidelined her, and her own party treated her.
"just another Russian asset" was the charge, which was 100% ludicrous.
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posted on Feb, 29 2020 @ 09:56 AM
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originally posted by: redmage

originally posted by: Quadrivium
I also consider myself a libertarian when they were actually libertarians.
Now I define my political views as "Constitutional Conservative " because the libertarians went bat # crazy.


Libertarians haven't shifted. They're the same as they've always been.

Here's the modern breakdown as simple as it gets...

Fiscally and socially liberal = Democrat
Fiscally liberal and socially conservative = Republican
Fiscally conservative and socially liberal = Libertarian

By abandoning fiscal conservatism (in favor of Trumpisim with its trillion dollar annual deficits) Republicans have thrown away the common ground they once shared with Libertarians. That's what shifted.

The good news (if you can call it that) is that Republicans and Democrats are predictably and hopelessly hypocritical. Once a Democrat eventually wins another Presidential election, Republicans will cease and desist immediately labeling and dismissing fiscal conservatives as being "deranged" (the "D" in "TDS"). Once more proclaiming to take up the mantle by making the defect and national debt their #1 issue and screaming about it like their hair is on fire. Until then, being a fiscal conservative is a lonely position to hold in American politics.

I agree on most of what you posted but when the libertarians (that I know) start screaming for open
Borders and no government at all, they have gone bat # crazy.
Now as far as the D and the R? Remove them from the ballots.
No Ds and No Rs, just have the candidates' name.
Many people in America do not vote. A lot of the ones that do are lazy and won't research candidates.
They look for a D or an R only.
Remove them and do away with the straight tickets.
Voting is a huge responsibility.
There should not be an easy button.



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