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The Anti-Christian conspiracy

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posted on Feb, 16 2006 @ 04:58 AM
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If anti-christianity, a conspiracy or not, but just in general how people perceive christians, is part of God's plan...then why, why on earth kick up such a fuss? and especially at me, since I seem to playing a part. I guess this is aimed at gps. If i'm supposedly playing a role in the whole grand scheme of things, then why call me a fool, why condemn me...

Again what it comes down to is 'personal opinion'. The problem I find with christianity is that there's no general concensus on 'how to do it', so to speak. There's around 10,000 distinct christian groups, and another 30,000 further denominations. Almost a countless amount of bibles. Completely different views, beliefs, and ideologies on which parts of the bible are correct. Which one is right? Are any of them right? Are they all right, in their own unique way? How can they be all right, if some don't even believe Mary was a virgin, giving birth to Jesus Christ...surely that is a core belief. It brings to light the Holy Trinity, God as the Holy Ghost/Spirit, yet some Christian groups, refuse to believe in that specific part.

That's what I can't stand about Christianity. Their willingness to change their core beliefs, perhaps to fit in with the rest of the world. But just that general slump in attitude, makes them out to be weak willed.

Christianity not only spread around the world, but at the same time as that spread, it thinned out it's core beliefs and the whole reason christianity was created in the first place. If there's any reason Jesus would never come back, it'd be because of the poor state Christianity is in, he'd be ashamed of something that was created because of him.




posted on Feb, 16 2006 @ 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by shaunybaby
If anti-christianity, a conspiracy or not, but just in general how people perceive christians, is part of God's plan...then why, why on earth kick up such a fuss?


Thread title, had something to contribute, no more, no less, no fuss.


Originally posted by shaunybaby
and especially at me, since I seem to playing a part. I guess this is aimed at gps. If i'm supposedly playing a role in the whole grand scheme of things, then why call me a fool, why condemn me...


I've done neither.


Originally posted by shaunybaby
Again what it comes down to is 'personal opinion'.


Relativism, which I don't believe exists beyond the rationalization to advocate hedonism.


Originally posted by shaunybaby
The problem I find with christianity is that there's no general concensus on 'how to do it', so to speak.


Actually there's a whole Book on it... and of course God is more than available as a resource.


Originally posted by shaunybaby
There's around 10,000 distinct christian groups, and another 30,000 further denominations. Almost a countless amount of bibles. Completely different views, beliefs, and ideologies on which parts of the bible are correct. Which one is right?


They're not as different as you may think. I've been to Protestant, Presbyterian, Methodist, Baptist, and a good number of other denominations for a good set of time and found no major conflicts. Baptists are better at starting new churches with the Pastor making the decisions on growth, Presbyterian have elections so to speak. Yes, the organizational structure is different, but it's the same Book.


Originally posted by shaunybaby
Are any of them right?


Many of them are, yes. I don't think I can blanket statement because I haven't been to all of them.


Originally posted by shaunybaby
Are they all right, in their own unique way?


Again, they're not very unique.


Originally posted by shaunybaby
How can they be all right, if some don't even believe Mary was a virgin, giving birth to Jesus Christ...surely that is a core belief. It brings to light the Holy Trinity, God as the Holy Ghost/Spirit, yet some Christian groups, refuse to believe in that specific part.

That's what I can't stand about Christianity. Their willingness to change their core beliefs, perhaps to fit in with the rest of the world. But just that general slump in attitude, makes them out to be weak willed.


That's not why you can't stand Christianity, else in attending various churches you'd see there is a great deal of indistinguishable commonality and that they really haven't changed at all, adhereing to the same Book. You have your reasons, I don't know what they are other than what you've mentioned in "being forced to follow the rules", but I know the reason you've listed here doesn't match.


Originally posted by shaunybaby
Christianity not only spread around the world, but at the same time as that spread, it thinned out it's core beliefs and the whole reason christianity was created in the first place. If there's any reason Jesus would never come back, it'd be because of the poor state Christianity is in, he'd be ashamed of something that was created because of him.


You speak as if he's dead or far away. As if we're kids playing in the house while the parents are away. I'd recommend some reading...or if you don't like reading on your own, you can always go to church and they'll read with you.

[edit on 16-2-2006 by saint4God]



posted on Feb, 16 2006 @ 03:23 PM
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Originally posted by saint4God
you can always go to church and they'll read with you.


yeah i'll go to church so i can be told what's right, what's wrong, and what i should and should not believe in



as for the different groups, some believe in a 6000 year old earth, some more than that, some believe it's millions of years old. some choose not to believe in certain parts such as the virgin birth, some do. JW's are forbidden to have blood transfusions, i'm sure this isn't practiced in that many of the different groups. there are plenty of bibles to go around these different groups. and you say they're not that different?...


[edit on 16-2-2006 by shaunybaby]



posted on Feb, 16 2006 @ 08:03 PM
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Originally posted by saint4God
Relativism, which I don't believe exists beyond the rationalization to advocate hedonism.


Yes. I really wanted to respond to this... Firstly, I recognize you precluded your words with the fact that it is a belief.

That being acknowledged, it isn't Relativism. Your faith is your personal communion with God, Saint. If it doesn't come down to your personal opinion and experiences, then you are arguing for mass conditioning.

I feel that christians as a whole have a difficult time accepting the suggestion that Morals and Ethics they find important may be as consequential to God as grass is to us. People like to believe that morals and ethics stem from God... no, they stem from man.



posted on Feb, 16 2006 @ 11:58 PM
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People like to believe that morals and ethics stem from God... no, they stem from man.

Ten Commandments?

[edit on 17-2-2006 by Sun Matrix]



posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 06:50 AM
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Originally posted by shaunybaby
yeah i'll go to church so i can be told what's right, what's wrong, and what i should and should not believe in


Awesome, hope to see you there...though, church should be encouraging you to talk to God directly and read the Book on your own. Going by a mere 1 hour a week is not enough food to keep fed.


Originally posted by shaunybaby
as for the different groups, some believe in a 6000 year old earth, some more than that, some believe it's millions of years old. some choose not to believe in certain parts such as the virgin birth, some do. JW's are forbidden to have blood transfusions, i'm sure this isn't practiced in that many of the different groups. there are plenty of bibles to go around these different groups. and you say they're not that different?...



Interestingly enough, when I sat down on a number of occasions with the Jehovah's Witness' and read from the same book, they'd read one sentence and took it to mean someone other than what the rest of the chapter was saying. I have a problem with this. They don't, but I do. Can I read one line of your personal journal and say I know all about your life or "take it to mean" x, y, and z though you'd stated none of those things? I agree with you if you're saying this is a problem and cannot emphasize enough that one should at the very least read the whole chapter if they're unwilling to read the whole book and collection of books. Show me "no blood transfusions" in the Bible please and let's talk.



posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 06:54 AM
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Originally posted by TheCrystalSword
Yes. I really wanted to respond to this... Firstly, I recognize you precluded your words with the fact that it is a belief.


Yeah. It's a conclusion based on study.


Originally posted by TheCrystalSword
That being acknowledged, it isn't Relativism. Your faith is your personal communion with God, Saint. If it doesn't come down to your personal opinion and experiences, then you are arguing for mass conditioning.


I don't follow how you've arrived at that conclusion.


Originally posted by TheCrystalSword
I feel that christians as a whole have a difficult time accepting the suggestion that Morals and Ethics they find important may be as consequential to God as grass is to us. People like to believe that morals and ethics stem from God... no, they stem from man.


God disagrees.



posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 10:33 AM
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Originally posted by saint4God
Show me "no blood transfusions" in the Bible please and let's talk.


I can't. It's not my belief. Go ask the people who refuse to have blood transfusions, because it goes against their beliefs as JWs. Maybe not all JWs believe that, but some, or most, or many atleast do. It's not going to be universal afterall. Beliefs rarely are, as most have their own individual spin.



posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by shaunybaby
I can't. It's not my belief. Go ask the people who refuse to have blood transfusions, because it goes against their beliefs as JWs.


I did, but they weren't much help. I didn't mean to say it as an issuance of personal challenge, but more of a "to the audience"-type statement.


Originally posted by shaunybaby
Maybe not all JWs believe that, but some, or most, or many atleast do. It's not going to be universal afterall. Beliefs rarely are, as most have their own individual spin.


And they should not have spin. Spin = bad. Don't like spin. Like truth.



posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 11:18 AM
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Well if you beleive in the Bible , then you alrdy know why all this is happening .

its just a matter of time .

keep the faith .



posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 02:44 PM
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I've read many of the pages on this topic, roughly 43 pages. Initially,
I felt some tension with anyone who thinks they are right because they are Christian, Atheist, Buddhist, Muslim, etc. maybe its because views create seperation. and Sarcasm for me... You guys ever tried using a little acceptance towards others you don agree with. Accept it. You're talking to yourselves.


An Anti-Christian Conspriracy? OMG... Who cares, get a life and be like Jesus and stop wasting your time being little naggy bitches. Do Christians like to gang up with their church buddies against the Ones who dont believe? Answer: most do. So go ahead and save yourself, and you will automaticaly save others. And shut the scripture switch off for a second a look at yourself. Are you at a computer desk?Are you living like a Human Or a robot?? Are you greedy with your thoughts? Give heaven a rest, theres heaven here. open your eyes, and save your money.

Christian Bashers, Maybe if you found a way to treat people fair, then you could accept the Christians as they are right now. They dont treat you fair right now? So what!!! Does the constant recitation of scripture bother you? And you think you're right by telling them the history of how the bible was written is helping the truth? Or is it only making them more pushy? There are some usable quotes in the bible, careful what ones you use, you might upset a Christian.


I just found it intriguing that all the sluggers just kept throwing jabs back and forth trying to state they were right. Being right is a thought, and thats all it is. I dont really give a damn either way....Whats the point? Who cares... WE create the evil that men do, so why instigate, and try to finish the other off? This stupid argument has been around for thousands of years. What did people get? War/Peace Love/Hate/ Black/White Friend/Foe etc. Nothing but a bunch of dumbass humans fighting over duality in their own head, and acting it out on the world.


What if people dont want to listen to you're furthering of Christianities preach and save festival, and you're abrasive and annoying? Or, Are the one saying Christian thinking is a virus? Then you're missing the point... Show me your mind... Thats right, you dont even know who you are, but then you go slugging it out for the "i'm right prize: Its thoughts like these that incite WAR. People dont give a # about what people think, when all they can do is recite scripture, but cant say much from their own experience. If you pray, then PRAY. If people dont follow, then leave em alone.

I was raised RC, and they tried to brainwash me, and to some effect it worked, until I realized as a kid, that Santa was a fake, and God didnt exist. Answer my prayers? Hell NO! Is that because I wasnt a chosen sheep? Whatever.

There are no right and wrong views, there are disciplines, whether they be taught or discovered, but atleast be grounded in a sense of reality. Yes the present moment is where you find all the answers. But who the hell is the person who is experiencing? Take a look!!! There is no need to put labels on GOD, YOU, ME, I.....

You cant GET heaven somewhere else!!! Its like chasing after something that doesnt exist THERE. You can get it HERE, by dropping your stupid mind and all its grasping. People think they are right, and thats the problem, Who cares about being right or wrong? Too many people. Just shut up and live.

I'm gonna wash the dishes now.



posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 03:17 PM
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Wow, these are really gems...


Originally posted by Who Am I
OMG... Who cares, get a life and be like Jesus and stop wasting your time being little naggy bitches.

I dont really give a damn either way....


Apparently you do else you'd not say anything.



Originally posted by Who Am I
Nothing but a bunch of dumbass humans fighting over duality in their own head, and acting it out on the world.

People dont give a # about what people think, when all they can do is recite scripture, but cant say much from their own experience.

Hell NO!

But who the hell is the person who is experiencing?

Its like chasing after something that doesnt exist THERE. You can get it HERE, by dropping your stupid mind and all its grasping.

I'm gonna wash the dishes now.


Well, at least something clean will come out of all of this.

[edit on 17-2-2006 by saint4God]



posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 04:30 PM
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Originally posted by Who Am I

I was raised RC, and they tried to brainwash me, and to some effect it worked, until I realized as a kid, that Santa was a fake, and God didnt exist. Answer my prayers? Hell NO! Is that because I wasnt a chosen sheep? Whatever.



Interesting comment about Santa being fake and God not existing. That is the exact purpose of Santa.
He see's you when you're sleeping, he knows when you're awake, he knows if you've been bad or good................

Then you find out Santa is not real. All you do is take it to the next step.
God, who sees all, is not real.

The strategy is quite effective isn't it. It is untrue, but effective.



posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 05:03 PM
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Originally posted by Sun Matrix

Originally posted by Who Am I
Answer my prayers? Hell NO! Is that because I wasnt a chosen sheep?

Interesting comment about Santa being fake and God not existing. That is the exact purpose of Santa.
Then you find out Santa is not real. All you do is take it to the next step.
God, who sees all, is not real.
The strategy is quite effective isn't it. It is untrue, but effective.

Who am I?, no, it was not cuz you aren't one of the sheep. Trust me when I say that they have no more success than you when they pray for stuff. It could be cuz there is no value in praying, but I feel there is value in prayer, so I would guess that your prayers were likely not answered for another reason. I heard this from a Christian, " God does not give us what we want, God gives us what we need." If there is a God, that sounds right to me.
As for the Santa/God disbelief conspiracy theory... I feel it is more likely that that was just a bonus they discovered after Santa was already a part of the Christmas rituals.



posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 05:10 PM
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so I would guess that your prayers were likely not answered for another reason. I heard this from a Christian, " God does not give us what we want, God gives us what we need."


Oh c'mon ... I've tried praying before year's ago when I was younger. Asking for him to show me he's real. Just one sign. Felt pretty retarded doing it to. Turn's out, he never followed through. All that power to create an entire universe and mass murdure his own creation's and he can't give me one quick sign?

Guess I don't 'need' to know huh?

Of course I know this will just lead to the whole have faith BS. Have faith in what? A god who could destroy his own creation for thing's that were nothing compared to what we do today? Have faith in a god who let's us have so called free will to commit sins on such a massive scale compared to the petty BS that he felt was justified for killing his own creation? Have faith in a god that claims to be all loving and all forgiving and yet, dare I say it again ... Kills kills kills.

Your all following the wrong god. Embrace satan you wretched souls!



posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 05:17 PM
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Originally posted by Produkt
Felt pretty retarded doing it to. and he can't give me one quick sign?
Guess I don't 'need' to know huh?

Well, if God doesn't exist, you still weren't 'retarded' to hope you could beat the system, and get God to show you his cards.... Good luck on that, btw, if he does exist.
You don't need to know, if God is real, you are not allowed to 'know'. Keep in mind that I don't know.
I never prayed for signs, and never prayed for anything since I was eleven. I only pray two prayers, and I send them out to the universe, nature, the Great Spirit, Gaia, whomever... they are "Thy will be done", and "thank you." I see no point trying to get God, (if real), to do my bidding.



posted on Feb, 17 2006 @ 08:47 PM
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shauny - Some of the Baptist churches were predominantly white. And yesterday a Methodist church was burned. By default any church burned is an attack on the religion. Churches are sacred places to the people that attend no matter what races their members are. It's interesting for anyone to dismiss 9 or 10 churches being burned as simply racial.



posted on Feb, 18 2006 @ 04:55 AM
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not sure about those exact churches but here's something i found:



In June, 1996 that America was "stirred to action" because of a rash of arson attacks on black churches in the South.




Although a least a couple of those churches turned out to be targeted by black people who were mad at the minister or the church or had some other problem with its members.


Sounds like some churches are even possibly burned by their own members.

www.balkanpeace.org...

and for that information i searched yahoo.com for 'churches being burned'.


then there's this one:



NASHVILLE, Tenn. Tennessee authorities have arrested a suspect believed to have set fires that burned two black churches.




Meanwhile in Middlebrook, Virginia, a small fire and anti-gay graffiti were found at a church belonging to the United Church of Christ. The denomination endorsed same-sex marriage last week.


www.wishtv.com...

seems like they're racial crimes or anti-gay crimes. the guy who burned down two black churches, also burned down five homes.

so where did you get these 'predominantly white' churches from. all i see is news about black churches, setting fire to homes, and anti-gay attacks etc.

there's always more to a story and it's very often best to look at a story with an open mind, especially when you get the information from a christian.

a christian told me, 'miracles do happen today'. i said...like what? she said, i haven't been there and seen it, but in this orphanage where there were starving kids, a bowl of soup went round hundreds of children, but carried on lasting. absolute BS. complete lies, minipulation and propoganda that her church has taught her, that she takes for absolute truth. what's true about it? absolutly nothing. it's not proven, it's not even witnessed, yet she believes it.

conclusion you have to come to that it's hard to trust a christian. is she openly lying? is it her fault that she's lying? and what about 2nd hand thoughts, with his white church burning fiasco... i think i'd like to see some websites, and news about those. it's 'deny ignorance' not 'spread ignorance', post links etc.

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posted on Feb, 21 2006 @ 08:40 AM
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Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII
Oh Lord won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz....

You don't need to know, if God is real, you are not allowed to 'know'. Keep in mind that I don't know.
I never prayed for signs, and never prayed for anything since I was eleven. I only pray two prayers, and I send them out to the universe, nature, the Great Spirit, Gaia, whomever... they are "Thy will be done", and "thank you." I see no point trying to get God, (if real), to do my bidding.


Methinks this deserves a:


You have voted BlackGuardXIII for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.


I do think that someone can get their proof and knowledge, just from personal experience, and would like to help with that if you're interested. U2U anytime.



posted on Feb, 21 2006 @ 09:39 AM
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there's always more to a story and it's very often best to look at a story with an open mind, especially when you get the information from a christian.


I lost my job once ... my christian boss and I got into an argument, sort of. More like a heated debate over why I didn't believe in god. Two day's later, she fire's me. Never did anything wrong to be fired. No reason given. She wasn't too nice to me for the two day's it took her to work up the balls to fire me. The only reason I can think of for getting fired was because I openly argued why I didn't believe in god. As I said, I never did anything wrong prior to that.



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