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posted on Jan, 21 2006 @ 09:21 PM
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you and i are not so different, even though you may think we are, we're not. I'm an atheist, you're a christian. you dismiss all other gods except your one monotheistic deity, i just go 'one' god further.


God Bless you for pointing out what should be obvious. Not believing in an invisible guy with a beard sitting on a cloud is not the same as not seeing the sacred or eternal.

I'm glad I got to read your post before such beliefs are banned.




posted on Jan, 21 2006 @ 09:34 PM
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somebody asked why "god" would let babies get diseases....hope my response sheds light on what you guys are talking about.


this would never be if sin wasnt introduced into the world 6000 years ago. dont put blame on the one who created you put blame on the one who is trying to destroy you. its what we have inherited. death is the result of sin. a .ache is a result of sin. broken bones, bad music, ignorance, chaos, war, high gas prices, doesnt matter what age. why do you think he sacrifced his son...to give us a way out of this craphole. but we do have freewill and it is our choice. no "god" is forcing anybody to choose anything he simply set it in front of us. mankind had a choice in the begining and got outsmarted and still is today. our possibilities could have been endless if we had done what was right that day. we're all sinners. we were born into sin. not one person isnt without it. there was one and we killed him. and it was the religious people who decided it. he was threatening their empire and had to get rid of him, but little did they know he was able to overcome death. and it is the religious people who are killing him today. but thats another story. babies were caught in the flood 4000 years ago because of sin. old men and women and men too. all of us have it. there was a way to escape it, just as there is now. its not like they didnt know. for years they were told but didnt listen, thought it was stupidity until it was too late. no different today. my advice is not to listen to religion or religious people. thats not what our creator is about. religion keeps us divided and confused. if you really want to know what its all about all you have to do is ask him. be sincere and tell him you want to know. it may not be instant but you will get your answer.

[edit on 21-1-2006 by Funkydung]



posted on Jan, 21 2006 @ 09:37 PM
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I'm Catholic myself and find christian fundamentalism downright scary due to its us/them attitude. I don't like government officials waving vague flags of religion either. It's creepy.

My concern is that yes, there is definitely bitter feelings toward "Christianity" as a whole as if everything beneath that wide umbrella is the same. It's no less ridiculous as saying that all non-"Christians" are evil.

I used to like the Daily Show and have watched it for years but I've just sort of stopped because the jabs at Jesus became more and more forced and less and less funny. As if making any lame joke and linking it with the name Jesus made it funny. Ha ha. The last straw for me was when the Daily Show actually used a very holy prayer in a parody. Just unnecessary and not funny. There is an obvious agenda behind that show. The Colbert Report is so much better but now that's becoming tainted as well.

I saw a lot of outcry over allegations that the Koran was being treated disrespectfully in gitmo. I suspect that situation was just used to make a political statement by smug bitter.s. Otherwise, why would many of the upset people simultaneously mock other religions? It isn't a sign of intelligence to dismiss religions as hogwash and use that as some sort of measuring stick when judging the value of other people's intellect.

When anti-"Christian" sentiment is obviously bitter and contemptuous, it is no less offensive than anti-Semitism, etc. So why is it socially OK I wonder? Why is this a badge of liberalism in some circles? It's right up there with the "I just can't believe that there is even a channel like FOX News." (At least FOX doesn't have Larry King). And that's pretty stupid too. Anyone who gets their news filtered by only one group is an idiot. Everyone needs to get news from as many sources as possible these days more than ever.

We'd all be better off if there weren't so many bandwagons being driven around by angry fools.

[edit on 21-1-2006 by 2nd Hand Thoughts]



posted on Jan, 21 2006 @ 11:59 PM
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so for 4000 years all people were doomed to hell?

wiat, there was a great biblical scale flood that covered the whole earth? i thought it was just a hebrew adaptation of the last part of the epic of gilgamesh.

the world is only 6000 years old? how come people had already developed agricultural communities?

i thought god didn't punish a person for the sins of their ancestors, i guess god is just a spiteful and malicious deity...



posted on Jan, 22 2006 @ 12:37 AM
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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
so for 4000 years all people were doomed to hell?

wiat, there was a great biblical scale flood that covered the whole earth? i thought it was just a hebrew adaptation of the last part of the epic of gilgamesh.

the world is only 6000 years old? how come people had already developed agricultural communities?

i thought god didn't punish a person for the sins of their ancestors, i guess god is just a spiteful and malicious deity...


no. not all people just people who chose to be or ignore the escape route.

no there no telling how old the earth is. man is only 6000 years old according to the bible. man, in the begining, was geniuses...man was created on the 6th day....the first 5 days could have been thousands of years maybe more. in the new testament "god" said a day is as a thousand years to him. and we are in the begining of the 7th day or 7000 years since creation of man....the last day...

nope "god" doesnt punish anybody....except the ones who try and hurt or lie intentionally to his creation(his children) to lead them down the wrong path...you would do the same for your children. again dont blame the creator blame the one who is trying to destroy us. thats why when israel is attacked for the final time it marks his return...to protect it...again one of his gifts to us is free will. we choose to be with him or be with the one who is destroying us. and trust me deception is childs play when the enemy wants your mind. hes had eons to perfect it. the only way we are to know the truth is simple.



posted on Jan, 22 2006 @ 05:27 AM
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Originally posted by Funkydung
somebody asked why "god" would let babies get diseases....hope my response sheds light on what you guys are talking about.


i don't really care about the 'if there were a god, surely there wouldn't be so much bad karma in the world' arguement...well there's a difference, we create all the bad stuff and good stuff in the world, not god. hurricanes and tsunamis, just because they're in regions of high religion population density, doesn't mean they are attributed to a god. ''i believe in god, i just call it N A T U R E''.



posted on Jan, 22 2006 @ 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by saint4God
Glad to see you've joined the family! Good quotes. I'd like to give some tips if I may:

1.) The more commentary you can give on the quotes the better.
2.) Never be swayed by the grumpy people here. You'll see what I mean if you haven't already.

3.) Bible quotes work great on Christians, but make non-Christians turn the channel typically speaking.

Glad to have you here! If I can be of any help, feel free to U2U me.



I WONDER, would you have been so friendly, if this NEW member had an opinion that differed from yours?!?!?!?

Pray, train, study.
God bless.



posted on Jan, 22 2006 @ 01:21 PM
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Originally posted by Funkydung

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
so for 4000 years all people were doomed to hell?

wiat, there was a great biblical scale flood that covered the whole earth? i thought it was just a hebrew adaptation of the last part of the epic of gilgamesh.

the world is only 6000 years old? how come people had already developed agricultural communities?

i thought god didn't punish a person for the sins of their ancestors, i guess god is just a spiteful and malicious deity...


no. not all people just people who chose to be or ignore the escape route.

no there no telling how old the earth is. man is only 6000 years old according to the bible. man, in the begining, was geniuses...man was created on the 6th day....the first 5 days could have been thousands of years maybe more. in the new testament "god" said a day is as a thousand years to him. and we are in the begining of the 7th day or 7000 years since creation of man....the last day...

nope "god" doesnt punish anybody....except the ones who try and hurt or lie intentionally to his creation(his children) to lead them down the wrong path...you would do the same for your children. again dont blame the creator blame the one who is trying to destroy us. thats why when israel is attacked for the final time it marks his return...to protect it...again one of his gifts to us is free will. we choose to be with him or be with the one who is destroying us. and trust me deception is childs play when the enemy wants your mind. hes had eons to perfect it. the only way we are to know the truth is simple.


When the Enemy want your mind? Who or what is the enemy? Satan?

Oh, and WHAT of the pre-'God' peoples of the World? They were there BEFORE 'God" (as you know it) and the Bible.

Were they all Pagans? Bound to Hellfire and all that...........?


Have you researched History?

The bible was adapted many, MANY times. What we read today, IS NOT WAS ORIGINALLY WRITTEN.

Ancient Man ( and Woman) worshipped Gods and Goddesses, they believed in a 'Heaven" and their main focus was around FEMALE Deities.


Woman was the bearer of life, the salvation of the species. What of that?



posted on Jan, 22 2006 @ 05:23 PM
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To all you who insist that The Creator God of The Christian Bible is a 'resent construct' of man, where do you get your 'faith' from?

So because a bunch of atheists have been telling you that lie for so long, it must be true?

Creator, creation, flood, saviour, four of the most universally common, ancient beliefs, of peoples said to have no historic connection.

God was with us, spoke to us, advised us but we kept turning from His wisdom and inventing our own gods to try to usurp Him, and now you're trying to say all of mankind just decided to invent a god, out of nothing, but agree on basic elements.

Long before The Bible had a word written, the oral history of our relationship with Him had been passed down through the generations. Yes details have been lost and confused along the way but the core message that God made us, loves us, scattered us but forgives us and will be back give us the life He always intended, has lived, despite the countless 'religions' that have tried to do away with that truth.

Sorry God is like a Rolex, if He wasn't so special no one would have bothered to make and flog the cheap knock ups.

What astouds me is that so few will admit paganism and the occult will be as benificial to 'saving mankind' today as it was back then, but still people want to go backwards to practice those ways but not a bit further back to even concider when God blessed us with increase in healthy people and all their needs.

Well haven't we done a great job, on our own, of producing more sick people and sick land than ever before in history.

People who use 'history' to support their faithlessness have a wonderfull knack of 'stopping' history where it suits them, like the oldest known carved images, ignoring the fact that man had already strayed far from God's ways by the time we were making false idols.



posted on Jan, 22 2006 @ 05:57 PM
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Originally posted by suzy ryan
To all you who insist that The Creator God of The Christian Bible is a 'resent construct' of man, where do you get your 'faith' from?

So because a bunch of atheists have been telling you that lie for so long, it must be true?

Creator, creation, flood, saviour, four of the most universally common, ancient beliefs, of peoples said to have no historic connection.

God was with us, spoke to us, advised us but we kept turning from His wisdom and inventing our own gods to try to usurp Him, and now you're trying to say all of mankind just decided to invent a god, out of nothing, but agree on basic elements.

Long before The Bible had a word written, the oral history of our relationship with Him had been passed down through the generations. Yes details have been lost and confused along the way but the core message that God made us, loves us, scattered us but forgives us and will be back give us the life He always intended, has lived, despite the countless 'religions' that have tried to do away with that truth.

Sorry God is like a Rolex, if He wasn't so special no one would have bothered to make and flog the cheap knock ups.

What astouds me is that so few will admit paganism and the occult will be as benificial to 'saving mankind' today as it was back then, but still people want to go backwards to practice those ways but not a bit further back to even concider when God blessed us with increase in healthy people and all their needs.

Well haven't we done a great job, on our own, of producing more sick people and sick land than ever before in history.

People who use 'history' to support their faithlessness have a wonderfull knack of 'stopping' history where it suits them, like the oldest known carved images, ignoring the fact that man had already strayed far from God's ways by the time we were making false idols.


taking a something you just said:

So because a bunch of atheists have been telling you that lie for so long, it must be true?

let me change the word atheists with christian leaders (for example popes and priest)

we wil get

So because a bunch of christian leaders have been telling you that lie for so long, it must be true?

well before the oral words of a single god there were stories about gods
god of thunder, god of wind , god of peace , god of war, god of hell, god of rain , god of earth , god of the skies.

that leaders of religion picket one out and said that one is the only true god or the leader of all gods will not say they were right that time.



posted on Jan, 22 2006 @ 09:02 PM
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Originally posted by isisinanna

Originally posted by Funkydung

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul


When the Enemy want your mind? Who or what is the enemy? Satan?

Oh, and WHAT of the pre-'God' peoples of the World? They were there BEFORE 'God" (as you know it) and the Bible.

Were they all Pagans? Bound to Hellfire and all that...........?


Have you researched History?

The bible was adapted many, MANY times. What we read today, IS NOT WAS ORIGINALLY WRITTEN.

Ancient Man ( and Woman) worshipped Gods and Goddesses, they believed in a 'Heaven" and their main focus was around FEMALE Deities.


Woman was the bearer of life, the salvation of the species. What of that?




when the enemy want your mind? yes satan if thats what you want to call him.


pre-god people....the only ones that were here before man were the fallen angels and yeah they were bound to hellfire and all that

yeah i have researched history and its been re-written so many times who knows what kinda crap they are feeding us.

your absolutly right. what we read today is pretty far off thanks to king james and others. if you want to see a better picture of what people of biblical times were seeing in the skies and talking to about "heaven" go to www.bibleufo.com.... its more realistic than the religious backwash people are getting today. thanks to king james we have that word "heaven."


yeah they did worship god and goddesses and believed in a heaven. what your point?

yeah women is the giver of physical life here on this planet but she cannot bear eternal life and she cannot create life

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[edit on 22-1-2006 by Funkydung]



posted on Jan, 22 2006 @ 09:12 PM
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posted on Jan, 23 2006 @ 12:15 AM
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Well Mark Luitzen, that's where we will have to agree to disagree.

I didn't come to my faith through 'religion' but through trying to avoid it.

History held great fasination for me and I found the commonalities of widely dispersed faiths leading me to learn more about where this, 'idea of God', came from.

Then, learning the fact that great nations, civilizations and peoples, did indeed rise and fall against 'the plans of mice and men' and natural forces and resources, but with the use/missuse of wisdom and morality (how and why justice was or wasn't done) and comparing these historic facts to the lessons in The Bible, all the nonsence of the world settled into an understandable sence.

I see the constantly repeated claim, that Christianity, 'just poached pagan beliefs', as part of the conspiracy against Christianity. This is an unsupportable and for some reason, rarely challanged, statement presented and swallowed as fact, that I felt needed to be addressed.

This, of course, is an extreemly condenced version of how I came to describe myself as, Christian, but the point is that I was taught to disbelieve The Bible as the word of God, searched out whether there was a God, and found His word in The Bible describing what science was still argueing about but nature and history proved.

It is only reasonable to admit that the moment man became aware of the concept of God, is not something we can pinpoint, so it is likewise reasonable to admit no one can 'prove' other 'faiths' didn't spring from turning away from The God who made man aware of Him.

I'll stick to what commerce has taught me, all COPIES NEED AN ORIGINAL first, before they can be sold as, in any way, 'valuable'.



posted on Jan, 23 2006 @ 03:29 AM
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Originally posted by suzy ryan
God was with us, spoke to us, advised us but we kept turning from His wisdom and inventing our own gods to try to usurp Him, and now you're trying to say all of mankind just decided to invent a god, out of nothing, but agree on basic elements.

Long before The Bible had a word written, the oral history of our relationship with Him had been passed down through the generations. Yes details have been lost and confused along the way but the core message that God made us, loves us, scattered us but forgives us and will be back give us the life He always intended, has lived, despite the countless 'religions' that have tried to do away with that truth.


just a shame that this all didn't happen now, where it could be properly recorded. it so happens, that it all happened during a time when the only way to record any was paper or by word of mouth, and the odd piece of art. you have all these religions and sects today, do you see anyone going around preaching on mountain tops, being resurected, healing the blind...no you don't. this all happened around 2000 years ago, when it was possible. if that all happened today...no one would take notice, because this is reality, not fiction.


Originally posted by suzy ryan
Well Mark Luitzen, that's where we will have to agree to disagree.
History held great fasination for me and I found the commonalities of widely dispersed faiths leading me to learn more about where this, 'idea of God', came from.


well it didn't come from jesus, paul or your christian god, it had been around for absolutly thousands of years. even hinduism was a good 4000 years before christianity even got started. that should tell you something.


Originally posted by suzy ryan
I see the constantly repeated claim, that Christianity, 'just poached pagan beliefs', as part of the conspiracy against Christianity. This is an unsupportable and for some reason, rarely challanged, statement presented and swallowed as fact, that I felt needed to be addressed.


constantly repeated? i don't think i've read it more than once on this so called anti-christian thread...maybe not even at all. it's a fact that when christianity found it's way to europe it took over the traditional pagan beliefs.


Originally posted by suzy ryan
It is only reasonable to admit that the moment man became aware of the concept of God, is not something we can pinpoint, so it is likewise reasonable to admit no one can 'prove' other 'faiths' didn't spring from turning away from The God who made man aware of Him.


well the problem with that is that some religions are monotheistic, and some are not. the reason for this is because some people seemed to attach themselves to the idea of many gods (egyptians and greeks) sun gods, gods that held the world on their shoulders, gods of thunder and so on. the thing you'll notice about these is that they are all to do with nature, the sun, thunder etc. if you see ancient tribes that live away from the busy materialistic world today, they have similar beliefs with nature. they do rituals and certain things for the gods of the jungle, to let them hunt well, eat well and so on, and that has been the same practice for them for thousands of years. so the earlier religions have more to do with nature, the sun, thunder, holding up the world etc.

where the christian god is anything but all of that, it's put across as one deity, who in his own image created man...completly different to anything else said about those early religions. which is why christianity did not stem from these early religions, and cannot be thought of as the same god.


Originally posted by suzy ryan
I'll stick to what commerce has taught me, all COPIES NEED AN ORIGINAL first, before they can be sold as, in any way, 'valuable'.


shame there's none of your bible. that must really test your faith. or maybe you ignore it, like you ignore all the bad stuff from the old testament...

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posted on Jan, 23 2006 @ 07:03 AM
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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
well, my personal belief on god(s) is somewhat different than a nonreligious person,


Doesn't sound like it.


Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
but most of the time a religion with a specific deity involved is a comfort mechanism developed to cope with the unexplainable and with hard times.


We've gone over this so much, I think I need some:



Again, I didn't go to God because I couldn't find my fuzzy bunny slippers. What does this have to do with The Anti-Christian Conspiracy?


Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
look at all the horrible diseases. what god would create EBOLA?


Why would God create life at all?


Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
why would a divine being allow injustice to be done in their name?


Why should God micromanage our lives?


Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
why would there be so many different religious beliefs if there was a specific deity?


Why would God force everyone to believe in Him?


Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
just try explaining why you believe there IS a god.


Tell me you truly care about these answers, and I'll answer the questions with answers instead of questions.


Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
it would make things SOOO much easier.


Actually not, you see, all this has gone over before and hasn't made a bit of difference apparently.



posted on Jan, 23 2006 @ 07:07 AM
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Originally posted by vuoto
If there's hijacking going on, it's being done by these new-age slick Redstate Bible thumpers who believe they have some special corner on the faith market.


How open minded of you.



posted on Jan, 23 2006 @ 07:11 AM
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Originally posted by isisinanna
I WONDER, would you have been so friendly, if this NEW member had an opinion that differed from yours?!?!?!?



I don't know may people who have the same opinion as I do isisinanna. The same points apply to you if you like. Here they are for your review:

Glad to see you've joined the family! Good quotes. I'd like to give some tips if I may:

1.) The more commentary you can give on the quotes the better.
2.) Never be swayed by the grumpy people here. You'll see what I mean if you haven't already.
3.) Bible quotes work great on Christians, but make non-Christians turn the channel typically speaking.


...and feel free to U2U me, isisinanna, if I can be of help. Although I've been asked not to say "Pray, train, study, God bless" to non-believers even though I'd like to, so to make sure there's no impartiality...

Pray, train, study,
God bless you too isisinanna

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posted on Jan, 23 2006 @ 07:43 AM
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Mama Mia, its page 83 and still there is no let up!! Are we going for a world record here?? Can this thread be compiled to form a book? I have just joined ATS a few days ago, but I'm certainly not going back to page 1 of this thread to know what is happening.
Ignorance everywhere is 50/50. The Christian church does not definitely have all the answers. The crap that it tried to force feed the world is now being puked back into its face. If Christ were to return today, he would be aghast at how his teachings have been perverted by the church, and the countless atrocities committed by the church using his name will cause him to swoon. The lies and cover ups done by the church would make even an atheist blush.
Is it any wonder then that the world hates christianity in its present state?
A revolution must take place in the church, failing which christianity will die the death which eventually overtakes the haughty and the corrupt.



posted on Jan, 23 2006 @ 08:23 AM
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Originally posted by carlosox
Mama Mia, its page 83 and still there is no let up!! Are we going for a world record here?? Can this thread be compiled to form a book? I have just joined ATS a few days ago, but I'm certainly not going back to page 1 of this thread to know what is happening.


Why not? It's very educational I think.


Originally posted by carlosox
The Christian church does not definitely have all the answers.


You're right. God does. Nobody else, no man nor any organization. Church is helpful in connecting a person with God through study and fellowship.


Originally posted by carlosox
The crap that it tried to force feed


Thank you for proving JungleJake's point on The Absloute Power of Christianity! thread. It's in his very first post, page 1, post 1, in case you don't care to take the diligence to find it on your own.


Originally posted by carlosox
the world is now being puked back into its face.


How pictorial...


Originally posted by carlosox
If Christ were to return today, he would be aghast at how his teachings have been perverted by the church, and the countless atrocities committed by the church using his name will cause him to swoon. The lies and cover ups done by the church would make even an atheist blush.


And you know this...how?


Originally posted by carlosox
Is it any wonder then that the world hates christianity in its present state?


Per the words of Christ, Christianity would always be hated. I cannot find a period in history where it was not.


Originally posted by carlosox
A revolution must take place in the church, failing which christianity will die the death which eventually overtakes the haughty and the corrupt.


Welcome to the Anti-Christian Conspiracy thread and thanks for proving the point of it.

[edit on 23-1-2006 by saint4God]



posted on Jan, 23 2006 @ 10:30 AM
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Originally posted by suzy ryan
Well Mark Luitzen, that's where we will have to agree to disagree.

I didn't come to my faith through 'religion' but through trying to avoid it.



see I went to christian schools for as long I went to schools, I life in a town with 3200 people and 5+ churches , I can't say i avoided it because there was no way.

I started to dislike religion when I compared religions and the ways they do there things with other things in society for example communism and the ways the gestappo and the Ss did in ww2

and there are many many striking similairity's between the acts of terror and killings in religion and the ways those groups do.

then I began to read the bible again with the knowledge of current day , science fact and science fiction and there by I came to the conclussion that gods of the bible are not more than gods , a couple of years later the movie stargate came out and well it just underligned several more things which I all ready believed to be more acurate. than what the leaders of religions believe.

but we all wil see soon enough as the so called gods or aliens which they were in war with come to us in the coming years.

we will see then when the ships hover over our skies and city's that the religion was wrongly telling lies about what realy happent 2000 to 10000+ years ago.
and that we were woreshiping aliens the whole time. how would people then feel.

I can say then well I told you.
there being aliens and that they are our gods
is more plauseble then that they are all seeing gods.
well they might see much because of all the recent ufo sightings
and they were there throug out the history of man.




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