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Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
So your saying GOD let Satan continue to hang around so we would have a choice between good and evil?
Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
GOD did this so he could in a roundabout way kill his own children-a part of him?
To all disciplines, there are rewards and consequences. In discipline, the administrator wants the recipient to learn, not collapse. In the end though, if the recipient absolutely refuses to grow, then you have to let go. This is part of free will.
Originally posted by jake1997
Why are so many people soo anti christian?
Originally posted by shaunybaby
there's so many religions, maybe 6 or 7 main ones. all of them can't be right. christian heaven and hell doesn't fit in with a reincarnation belief etc. if only one is right and the true religion, lets say for example 'christianity' then the billions of other people in other religions when they say they have a relationship with god, their prayers are answered, god helps them through their day etc...is it lies? misguidence? insanity?... what is it...because surely someone is lying if there is only one real religion. in this case where a religion would be disproved because only one can be true, you can say its because of human nature and their 'need' for god, hence 'the god gene'. they have such a need for god that they make themselves believe that there is one. from all these religions, they all can't have a relationship with god, or have guidence from god. not an actual gene, but basically when someone is born depending on their environmental surroundings will be more likely or less likely to become religious.
people of higher IQs usually are not religious. you think einstein would have come up with half of his theories if he was in church on sundays, praying all the time, waiting around for god to help him through the day...hell no. he wore the exact same thing everyday, shoes, socks, pants, shirt so he didn't have to 'think' about what to wear. i'm a 130, my christian friend is a 117...it's not an exact science but generally if you're religious your IQ is probably lower.
the majority of religious people are taught about their religions from a young and influencial age. When you're 5 or 6, you think there are monsters hiding in your closet and under your bed. you see toy story and at night or when your out of your room you think your toys probably are doing the same. at this age anything that goes in to your head is likely to stay forever, or for a very long time. this is why when they hear bible stories, such as noah's ark, jesus and his cute miracles, it all seems true because they are so young and they don't know anything else.
my primary school was kind of religious, we'd say a prayer before lunch and one at the end of the day. all our christmas plays would be in the church and we'd always be singing hyms in our assemblys. if my home was also this christian i probably would have been f**ked. no opinions of your own, told what to believe...enforced beliefs down to you from your parents, wow what fun. until a certain age you don't really have a choice, heck if a 12 year old doesn't have the choice to go out because he's grounded, he's not going to have much choice on his religion either. it's only until 16, 17 or 18 that you're able to question your beliefs. however, by then religion can be so well implanted that it's 2nd nature.
Predjudice. I think that's it. I didn't see it before, but I see it now. Thanks shaunybaby for giving support to the idea that there is in fact, an Anti-Christian conspiracy. Hasty generalizations and unsubstantiated accusations do not make anything true. In fact, when we judge others in this way, the only thing that can result is living in a world of misconception, lack of understanding and being simply wrong. Remember shauny, every Christian was at one time a non-Christian. One has to make the concious decision to accept God and Jesus as his son. Some of us have to go through a Hell on earth before they finally find the truth. I'm sure that means nothing to you, but I hope and pray that you don't have to go through the same thing before you reach it.
Originally posted by shaunybaby
are you afraid of this anti-christian conspiracy...that perhaps we non-believers might start coming round door to door talking about evolution, and other ungodly things.
Originally posted by shaunybaby
i'm in no way predjudice with my views or opinions.
Originally posted by shaunybaby
i know what your side has to offer, but i can't accept it because i see the bible for something else than how you see it...i see it for a fraud, and just because it's a different opinion to yours doesn't mean i'm predjudice.
Originally posted by shaunybaby
if anything it shows you to be ignorant because you think i haven't looked at both sides of the arguement, you're just assuming and jumping to conclusions.
Originally posted by shaunybaby
ive stated before my early school days were very christian. not strict, but they always tried to teach us about god, the bible, jesus and so on. our parting gift when i left my primary school...we each got a bible. we would have to say a prayer before lunch and at the end of the day. christmas plays in church and singing godly hyms all the time. at age 6, 7, 8, 9 or 10 it is hard personally to say oh this seems wrong etc. i guess if your parents felts strongly about it they could pull you out etc...but mine probably thought it's not doing him any harm. however, that's how i have always felt, christian views and religious views are always forced upon us...you can't deny that. how is a JW coming to your door not forcing beliefs. how is making children sing hyms about god and jesus, making them say prayers not forcing beliefs.
Originally posted by shaunybaby
are you afraid of this anti-christian conspiracy...that perhaps we non-believers might start coming round door to door talking about evolution, and other ungodly things.
Originally posted by MankoW
and I must obey even if there is not a single proof for that
Originally posted by shaunybaby
i was attacking the fact that you said you would 'obey god even if there is no proof'... so no matter how much proof there is for something else...you'll still believe in god because you'll ignore that proof as you ignore the fact that there is no proof for god etc etc...
Originally posted by Al Davison
OK, I know he really does not need me to help but I've gotta say that when you paint all Christians with the same broad brush, well...that's just wrong!
If you read this board long enough you'll find very reasonable. logical, open-minded people of every religious and non-religious bent. You'll find a lot of jerks and trolls, too. You'll also find some who are incredibly close-minded but genuinely nice.
I don't want to start making lists here but, I do want to say that I think it's just wrong to try to paint Saint4God with any of those tired, old stereotypes. We don't agree on quite a few points but we agree upon as much as we disagree and he/she is a genuinely logical, thoughtful, and pleasant person with whom one can have a serious and respectful discussion.
Treat each person as an individual - that's all I'm saying.
[edit on 16-6-2005 by Al Davison]