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Originally posted by Excitable_Boy
You show an article about a moron of a teacher.
Originally posted by Excitable_Boy
There are plenty of disgusting articles about Christians if you want to compare notes.
Originally posted by Excitable_Boy
Catholic priests sodomizing very young boys for instance. Shall we compare notes?
Originally posted by Excitable_Boy
Some Christian leader just got arrested for all kinds of nastiness.
Originally posted by Excitable_Boy
Do you really compare stories?
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
saint, i'm sorry, but you're going to have to focus on a more real conspiracy right here on ATS
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
it's a conspiracy by supposed christians (i say supposed because they're giving christians i consider my friends, like you, a bad name) to utterly subvert both atheists and polite, civil, logical, and informed conversation on this forum.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
the conspiracy against christians here is one from the inside. these christians are clearly the thing truly harming you most, those that don't realize that whole "love" message was kind of a big deal.
Originally posted by saint4God
Well, I spoke of three levels so far:
1.) Direct - With the example of theistic satanism
2.) Organized but not as direct - Webrings, societies and groups that are specific in anti-Christianism
3.) Indirect - Those who do not disclose membership to either two, but are representative of the Anti-Christian voice
Feel free to address any or all of the above.
How so?
Feel free to add to the list...but please be specific.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
well, you've yet to really state a clear case for that one
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
same for this one...
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
ok, option D:
Christians who just don't get it and are going against the good teachings teachings of Jesus while still somehow holding on to the mantle of christian.
...though, i'll admit that this isn't so much of a conspiracy as it is a tragedy.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
the topic is sadly dead,
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
there isn't really evidence beyond something circumstantial and inferential on the theistic satanism thing,
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
and it plays to a lot of media hype.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
sadly, this long lived and originally idiotic thread which turned into a back and forth between you and shauny has run out of steam. you don't really have anything new to put forth....
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
so until you do or someone else does, i guess we'll just have to let this thread take a little break
Originally posted by saint4God
People have been against Christianity since...well...Christ. He kinda stirred the pot with radical ideas and talk of love instead of money, power, pride, etc. People don't like this. They like their money, power, pride just fine and asking them to give it up sounds like an offensive against their rights. Here's the thing though, Jesus didn't MAKE anybody do that, yet they still feel they're going to be made to do so if there is a Christian majority.
It's been going on for 2,000 some years and since everyone can duck behind their mask (username/avatar) as to not be accountable for their words, there's a certain liberation allowing people to speak freely. Next time you're hanging out with one of your friends, try striking up a controversial topic with them. It's hard and gets ugly fast. I'm a fan of ATS for this reason. If we choose to be, we can be open and honest without hard feelings and retaliation. After all, we don't really know each other here other than what we've said. It's a comfort level that allows us to express what we think. This goes for both sides. There are silent Christians and Anti-Christians, but here we're allowed to make noise about it. Nice, isn't it? My advice is if it starts to affect your day negatively, it's time to walk away for a moment, then come back with a refreshed perspective.
Why are there Anti-Christians all over the place here? Don't take it personally, nobody knows each other. They have a beef with God. The best we can do is help answer any questions or concerns when requested.
Pray, train, study.
God bless.
[edit on 11-3-2005 by saint4God]
Originally posted by azhure heart
Please don't assume that I have a beef with God.
Why are there Anti-Christians all over the place here? Don't take it personally, nobody knows each other. They have a beef with God.
Originally posted by azhure heart
My relationship with God is just fine, thanks I just have a hard time accepting man-made religions. All that we know of Christ's teachings are handed down to us by the jottings of men - so excuse me for being skeptical.
Originally posted by saint4God
by all means make this communication. He will answer.
Originally posted by newday
Religion teaches everything but how the individual can work directly with God for themselves.
Originally posted by saint4God
Then they're in the wrong church/religion. Both Bible and churches I've attended say to pray to God directly, worship Him daily, and seek answers from Him.
Originally posted by saint4God
This does however point to the subject at hand. The Anti-Christian Conspiracy will seek to divide God and church, because of their strong unity and synergy a majority of the time.
Originally posted by Tassadar
Mr No One,
Here are the fallacies in your last post:
It might stem from the inherent hypocrisy in Christianity
No, Christianity, the belief in Christ, is not hypocritcal.
some Christians maybe, but that's because Christians aren't perfect man, we're just forgiven.
Most Christians (especially evangelicals) will preach tolerance and understanding while they condemn any whose beliefs do not match their own
some example please?
The topic of homosexuality is a perfect example. While most Catholics maintain that the act of homosexuality is a sin, being a homosexual is not a sin as long as you abstain from the act itself.
woah, wait a second
Homosexuality is a sin, just like any other.
Homosexuality is also a choice, made by men, to rebel against God, and their God's plan.
Morality is not relative.
God is just.
Most Christians would say that even admitting to being a homosexual is a crime against God.
Tell me, who? They need to be set straight.
If a Christian is a homosexual, he needs to break out of that bondage.
Admitting it would be confession, admitting your sins to God.
Then they need to seek forgiveness from God's mercy and grace.
and repent (turn around and live a heavenly lifestyle)
It is this level of intolerance that causes a fear and hatred among non-Christians.
The truth is that much of the Church is driven by false motives, and they try to call people to repent when they are also living in sin.
Christ warned against this: Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? - Matthew 7:3
I think if we were to examine the true meanings of the teachings of Christ, absent of the views thrust upon them by religious leaders, we would see that tolerance and understanding are at the heart of everything He taught.
Close.
He taught love.
But he warned against false doctrine, which is the reason for apologists (defenders) of the Christian faith (doctrinally speaking) to perform their duties.
To distort and twist that message into use as a weapon against those who are different from you is, IMHO, the worst sin of all.
Agreed.
However, these are people who are wrong.
Not the Scriptures or God himself.
Cling tightly to what is true.
- Tass