The Anti-Christian conspiracy

reply to post by saint4God


There are many saints who walk amongst the brotherhood of man...

Whether mankind or the church recognizes them is one thing...

The saints know their calling...

Peace

[edit on 11-1-2008 by HIFIGUY]

reply to post by saint4God


ok, this is just someone's view... and it's on THE VIEW
are you really going to take that seriously? hell, there's one woman who isn't sure if the world is round... she's also said other ignorant things

Lying in a hospital bed in this rural hub of Kenya's Rift Valley, a man describes surviving two machete wounds to his head and multiple slashes to his hands. He says he was attacked by people who now live by the rules of tribalism.

ok, this is a ethno-religious conflict... i see no conspiracy against the religion, just two groups in a needless conflict that has no gotten out of hand

"They have to be stopped," he said. "It is the work of the devil."

emphasis yours.

this proves nothing!
seriously, it proves absolutely nothing. i've heard christians say that the following things are the work of the devil:
sunday morning football
any religion not christianity (saving room with that broad statement)
any sect of christianity that isn't their own
blended fabrics
rock music
pokemon
digimon
pretty much anything from japan
blues
jazz
rock
metal
disco
rap
r&b
techno
electro
house (the type of music)
music in general
dancing
buttons
dyed fabric
electricity
radio
television
computers
the internet
bar codes
RFID
hippies
alcohol
tobacco
marijuana
other illegal substances
conditioner (yes, as in the stuff you put in your hair, i'm serious on this one)
any sort of product with a fragrance from shampoo to soap to perfume
any footwear besides "jesus sandals" and boots
hats
sports
star wars
harry potter
lord of the rings
the golden compass
skateboards
scooters (both motorized and the type you just ride around on and push yourself)
hybrid cars
environmentalism
anti-environmentalism
condoms
the pill
federal income tax
feminism
secularism
atheism
socialism
communism
democracy
republicanism (ok, these last two are very archaic, but i'm just saying that it's been said)
magic tricks
magic the gathering
etc
etc
etc
i could keep going and break the character limit 3x over with things that have been accused of being the work of satan.

Nearby, another machete-attack survivor, John Machana, said he thought he was a dead man when he was attacked.

"I was sure they would kill me," he said, nursing slashes to his backside and still lying in his bloodstained clothes.

"They told me the blood in Kenya now had to be pure and clean, and they accused me of being of mixed tribal blood."

...so it's purely ethnic violence...
see, this is just people being bad. the guy even says that they told him he was attacked for his parentage, not his religion!
you kind of lose...

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
ok, this is just someone's view... and it's on THE VIEW
are you really going to take that seriously?

Nope, but this happens on all levels. Often times jokingly at first.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
hell, there's one woman who isn't sure if the world is round... she's also said other ignorant things

Didn't know that, thanks for the additional info.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
ok, this is a ethno-religious conflict... i see no conspiracy against the religion, just two groups in a needless conflict that has no gotten out of hand

"Gotten out of hand" usually means horseplay on the playground for me. Many people died. I cannot see it as a trival event.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
emphasis yours.

this proves nothing! seriously, it proves absolutely nothing.

I did not present it as absolute proof. For those who don't see the puzzle, often times it helps to show how the pieces fit together.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
i've heard christians say that the following things are the work of the devil:
sunday morning football
any religion not christianity (saving room with that broad statement)
any sect of christianity that isn't their own
blended fabrics
rock music
pokemon
digimon
...
etc
(removed other examples for space's sake)

i could keep going and break the character limit 3x over with things that have been accused of being the work of satan.

Not sure your point here.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
...so it's purely ethnic violence...
see, this is just people being bad. the guy even says that they told him he was attacked for his parentage, not his religion!
you kind of lose...

You said:

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
ok, this is a ethno-religious conflict...

So I kind of don't.

Originally posted by saint4God
Nope, but this happens on all levels. Often times jokingly at first.

but there's nothing linking this to anything. it's the statement of one person...
it's also a statement that can be seen as quite valid. especially when you consider that many "saintly experiences" that have been described resemble epileptic fits...
hmm.. odd, you aren't saying there's an anti-islam conspiracy when i often hear people saying that mohammed was an epileptic or a psychotic...

Didn't know that, thanks for the additional info.

yeah, that show is something that would rot the brain.
her name is sherri shepherd
she's the textbook example of the UNINFORMED christian (i capitalized it because i'm not applying it to all christians)

Shepherd was criticized heavily after the September 18, 2007 broadcast of The View.[2], in which she stated that she didn't "believe in evolution. Period", she was asked by co-host Whoopi Goldberg "is the world flat?" She first responded "…I don't know" and expanded that she "never thought about it", the co-star of two network programs continued that it was more important to her that she thought about how she was "going to feed [her] child". Barbara Walters replied to this defense of her scientific illiteracy, "You can do both." She then went on to quote scripture.[3]

Similar criticism erupted after the December 4, 2007 broadcast of The View when, during a discussion initiated by Joy Behar about Epicurus, Shepherd attempted to assert that Christians existed in classical Greece, and that the Greeks threw them to the lions (see Persecution of early Christians by the Romans). When confronted on this point, she further claimed that "Jesus came first" (before Greeks and Romans) and stated "I don't think anything predated Christians".[4][5]

"Gotten out of hand" usually means horseplay on the playground for me. Many people died. I cannot see it as a trival event.

i never called it trivial. gotten out of hand in the context of an ethno-sectarian dispute. that's the thing about the english language, meanings change drastically when applied to different situations.

I did not present it as absolute proof. For those who don't see the puzzle, often times it helps to show how the pieces fit together.

Not sure your point here.

just pointing out that the emphasis you added to his statement was kind of pointless in general. it's not a piece to any puzzle. just some guy saying a common line that christians repeat ad nauseum

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
...so it's purely ethnic violence...
see, this is just people being bad. the guy even says that they told him he was attacked for his parentage, not his religion!
you kind of lose...

You said:

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
ok, this is a ethno-religious conflict...

So I kind of don't.

actually, you do... i corrected myself with the second statement because i hadn't finished reading the snippet when i was replying.
i admitted i was wrong about the "religious" part of my original statement with the remark "...so it's purely ethnic violence..."

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
but there's nothing linking this to anything. it's the statement of one person...

Gather the pieces and examine. It takes some time to see the connections. A new thread was started with the Anti-Christian Conspiracy in China. Not by me: www.abovetopsecret.com... . Plenty of information is available, you don't need my statements to validate it.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
it's also a statement that can be seen as quite valid. especially when you consider that many "saintly experiences" that have been described resemble epileptic fits...

None of my saintly experiences have been epileptic, nor resemble it.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
hmm.. odd, you aren't saying there's an anti-islam conspiracy when i often hear people saying that mohammed was an epileptic or a psychotic...

Feel free to make a thread to discuss. For me, I'll prefer to stay on topic.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
Not sure your point here.

Point being is there's a big picture here that's scattered across the globe.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
just some guy saying a common line that christians repeat ad nauseum

How many times repeated doesn't matter. Whether it is true or not does. Ironic statement to make when you'd said in the same post...

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
it's the statement of one person...

Which is it? Am I out on a limb? Or is everyone saying it?



[edit on 12-2-2008 by saint4God]

I'm sure it's been posted before, but I'd like to remind everyone of the good that Christianity has done for the world....

Lets start with the basics..

Spanish Inquisition

Goa Inquisition

Albigensian Crusade

Salem Witch Trials

The Expulsion of Moriscos from Spain

The Spanish Colonization of the Americas

The Portuguese Inquisition

The 'Americanization' of Native Americans

Ku Klux Klan

But the list goes on and on.

Simply put, if there is a religious conspiracy throughout history, who do you think is behind it?

And is this 'conspiracy' being spoken of in this thread really a conspiracy against Christianity, or just a sign of a time where those oppressed throughout history by Christianity simply stand up and say "NO MORE!"

[edit on 12-2-2008 by Rasobasi420]

[edit on 12-2-2008 by Rasobasi420]

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
I'm sure it's been posted before, but I'd like to remind everyone of the good that Christianity has done for the world....

None of which involved Christianity. Back to the topic please?

[edit on 12-2-2008 by saint4God]

reply to post by saint4God


um...those are all explicitly linked to christianity. many of the atrocities committed against native americans are actually quite tame compared to the acts of genocide glorified in the bible....

so, pray tell, why aren't they related to christianity?

People are blasting Christians because they fear it. It is the most reliable and historically correct, and it demands a moral code.
The REAL reason people hate it is because it holds THEM responsible for their actions. Our culture blames everything on someone else. It's never OUR fault, it's HIS fault, or HER fault, or a poor upbringing. Christianity requires people to admit they are wrong, and humans as a species cannot handle it. We feel a need to justify our actions rather than admit our stupidity.

Originally posted by saint4God

None of which involved Christianity. Back to the topic please?

You can't just ignore your religion's history. It's right there in front (or behind) you. And I'm pretty sure I was on topic.

Originally posted by blazingbattleax
People are blasting Christians because they fear it. It is the most reliable and historically correct,

really? can you demonstrate how it's historically correct for you to have 4 separate accounts of a man's last words and 3 separate accounts of the death of that man's betrayer?

and it demands a moral code.

that's a common myth about those who don't like christianity. all but a tiny minority of us love the concept of a moral code, we just prefer one brought about through non-religious means.

The REAL reason people hate it is because it holds THEM responsible for their actions.

well, i can only speak for my own group here

as atheists, we have to hold nobody but ourselves responsible for our actions, and we can only go to those we have wronged for forgiveness...

hmm...i'm not even going to get started on the other groups, but there's really no religion that shuns personal blame, so christianity isn't an exception.

What of original sin? Isn't that automatically blaming a mythological being for the natural corruption of the soul?

But, I think he was referring to taking responsibility for our fate of never ending hellfire for not accepting Jesus.

But what about all of those evangelists claiming 'The Devil made em do it!'? Or Video games, or violent movies, or listening to KISS?

It doesn't look like Christianity, as a rule, is all about personal responsibility. Maybe you are, and if that's the case, good for you. But Christianity? No way!



[edit on 13-2-2008 by Rasobasi420]

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
um...those are all explicitly linked to christianity. many of the atrocities committed against native americans are actually quite tame compared to the acts of genocide glorified in the bible....

so, pray tell, why aren't they related to christianity?

This is what Christianity is, per documentation:

"But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you," - Matthew 5:43-45

Christ said this. Christianity is the following of Christ.

It's not merely one line from the Bible, it is core to the faith...

"But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you." - Luke 6:26-28

"But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked." - Luke 6:35

I'm part native american. The Manifest Destiny had nothing to do with religion but everything to do with territory, resources, imperialism and power. It was not the missionaries who carried the guns. I would've been a target for the Klu Klux Clan if they were in my neighborhood, so why would someone who calls him/herself "christian" be after someone who is Christian? Apparently, the war is not about the faith.

[edit on 13-2-2008 by saint4God]

Originally posted by Rasobasi420

You can't just ignore your religion's history. It's right there in front (or behind) you. And I'm pretty sure I was on topic.

I'm not ignoring my religion's history (see above) and make a practice to study it. What madness brought up is not a part of that history.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
What of original sin?

Our decision and our fault.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
Isn't that automatically blaming a mythological being for the natural corruption of the soul?

Nope. No mythological beings involved. Secondly, that's like blaming a used car salesman for buying a piece of junk.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
But what about all of those evangelists claiming 'The Devil made em do it!'?

What about them? Do you believe them? I don't. Do they repeat what's in the Bible? Nope.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
Or Video games, or violent movies, or listening to KISS?

I wanna rock and roll all night. And, party every day. Regarding violence, the less gratuitous violence the better. Love games, but have to be careful of the message it's sending.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
But Christianity? No way!

Yes way, Ted! People who are not versed (meaning literally) oft get caught in confusing/conflicting messages.

reply to post by saint4God


That's always the 'cop out' isn't it? The statement that they're not 'real Christians' is one I've heard many times before. They are, in fact, real Christians. They are as much a Christian as you are. And if you claim they're not, they have just as valid a claim that you're not.

This is exactly what has lead to such violence between Christian factions.

Some would claim that because you don't handle snakes then you're not a real Christian. Or if you don't eat a biscuit at a certain time of year, or fish on Friday, or whatever.

All real Christians, despite your approval of their actions.

reply to post by Rasobasi420


Yet scripture says otherwise. In several letters Paul speaks of those carrying the name, but are not true Christians. John writes the same thing, and Christ, too, warned of wolves in sheep's clothing, implying there would be those false teachers who carry the name of being followers of Christ without actually being followers of Christ.

Your definition of what constitutes a genuine Christian, on the other hand, is largely post-modern, based on the assumption that personal conception of truth is valid truth.

So your contention seems to be that post-modern thought is valid and scripture is invalid. Would that be a valid statement?

reply to post by madnessinmysoul


Has 'the view' had on their show some backwoods hindi(maybe the world is on an elephants' back, on a turtles' back....) or ignorant muslim,(???) I mean they come in EVERY religion.
It just depends where you CHOOSE to look.

Were they putting her on there to make fun of our religion???
That's Low.

[edit on 13-2-2008 by Clearskies]

reply to post by junglejake


I'm saying that scripture is open to interpretation. And that anyone who claims their interpretation is the absolute correct one, and all others are false is pretty much falling in line with Christianity throughout history.

reply to post by Rasobasi420


That's a valid point, and I agree there are many parts of scripture that can be considered ambiguous, especially without a depth of knowledge of the book as a whole. There are, however, aspects that are clearly spelled out. Those who would say you have to handle snakes to be considered a Christian, or you have to take a certain kind of bread for your communion to be valid have a hard time explaining away Galatians and Colossians. I'm not saying it can't be done, though I've yet to read it, but that it would be difficult.

That, however, leads into my point. What is the motivating factor for your argument, post-modern evangelism, attempting to correct Saint's inaccurate (in your opinion) Biblical doctrine, or some other factor?