NHS Weakest Coronavirus patients will be denied lifesaving care

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: rickymouse

My body still has a strong innate immunity, that actually causes my reaction to the flu vaccine. So, maybe with this virus, a vaccine would be bad for kids, stimulating their immune system might actually make them more susceptible to overreactions.

Pretty much the same here. I've never had a flu shot, and never needed one. The worst flu I ever had made me grouchy(er) for three days. I can't even remember what year that was... early 2000s? Maybe?

I am honestly wondering if the constant flu shots and immunizations in adults lately isn't at least partly responsible. The immune system is like a muscle: use it or lose it. In other words, I see two possible outcomes if I catch a bad case of the darn thing:

• I grouch for a few days, run a fever, eat an onion, go to bed, cover up, let my fever run, and wake up well but dehydrated. Just like any other mean bug.
  
  
• The fact I am older will get me, in which case I'll have led a fuller life than the vast majority of people had the chance to.

In either case, no hospital is needed. The weaker generation can fill up the hospital beds.

TheRedneck

If I start getting sick, I make toast, put some miracle whip on both sides, then put on some diced onions and diced garlic. A couple of medium sized cloves garlic and enough diced onion to make the filling a quarter inch thick. A little sprinkle of salt and pepper too. My dad taught me that, his whole family used that and it knocks out a cold and flu real quickly. I told my daughter about it a couple of years ago....for about the tenth time and she ignored every other time. Her and her coworkers made sandwiches and their symptoms disappeared in a few hours. It is one of my essential meds. It does not taste good with a hot totti though which is a different essential medicine in our house, got to use those medicines apart from another, the brandy and ginger brandy in the hot totti don't seem to taste good with the onion and garlic.

meanwhile, we must provide narcam for 22 yr. old drug addicts who repeatedly OD.

But yah, 82 yr old we just gotta let die....Cuz you know, "money".

You are all talking like ghouls.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: rickymouse
Also remember that this virus only seems to kill or severly effect very young kids and very elderly or sickly people the worst.

Not sure where you got that. It seems to not affect young kids much at all (ZERO deaths 0-9 yr olds), and risk is more like the regular flu (0.2%) up to 49, then it starts going up slowly - highest risk is 70+...

Someone already brought that up and I had taken info from early in the news about it killing kids, which wound up not being true. I guess back a month ago they were generalizing it with other coronaviruses but it is not the same from what I have read after someone here informed me that I was wrong about that already. I did a second post admitting my mistake already.

a reply to: JAGStorm

So here we have it folks, It does not matter if we have socialized healthcare, or private healthcare. In true real world times of pandemics I fear
the only ones truly safe are all the rich people watching us eating popcorn from New Zealand.

It's called the world of dog eat dog.



You know it would be interesting to see what the super-rich are doing?

Are they holed up in their mansions, estates and duplex luxury apartments in NYC?

Since we know that in 911 they warned important people to don’t fly that day.

IF they are en masse kind of missing then we know somethings up.

Can anyone here tell us about the super-rich they know?..just joking.

Btw, the only continent without anyone with the virus is Antarctica. So maybe no one is safe but the aliens or the rich who can get there.

Nationalizing healthcare makes it a limited resource which means it will be denied by the Socialists in charge to whomever they feel is unworthy. I am happy to have a choice to go where I please for the care I need. I don’t need insurance I need healthcare.

a reply to: Willtell

You know it would be interesting to see what the super-rich are doing?

a reply to: JAGStorm

Seems to me that the first thing you would ask would be weather they both need to be hospitalized. I mean maybe the 82 year old just has a mild case that can can be treated at his home with over the counter meds and rest while the 22 year old happens to be critical?
Not everyone who contracts this virus is gonna end up in a hospital ICU, most wont need hospitalization. You are making it sound more like a major natural disaster scenario where they are pulling thousands of severely injured people from collapsed buildings or something.
The only way our healthcare system is going to get overwhelmed by this virus to that extent is if it mutants to a more deadly version or we overreact trying to contain it.

a reply to: rickymouse

I did see a report where a baby was born infected with it though.

a reply to: dawnstar

Not everyone who contracts this virus is gonna end up in a hospital ICU, most wont need hospitalization.

Even if just a % of the population needs care, there will not be enough room, or staff.

www.cnbc.com...

China has sent more than 30,000 medical staff to Hubei, among which roughly two-thirds were sent to Wuhan. Chinese health officials say that 10% of China’s critical care medical staff are currently deployed in Wuhan to fight against the virus.

Wuhan has also designated 46 hospitals to care for confirmed coronavirus cases, and is racing to re-purpose other locations into medical facilities.

See that last part, racing to re-purpose other locations.

a reply to: JAGStorm

So we looked at a massive spread in New Mexico which was just over 5000 acres. While the idea of owning mass amounts of land was appealing it also was a SHTF destination that was super isolated with a 30 mile dirt road to get to the parcel and completely surrounded by Federal Land.

However, what really struck us is that unless we bugged out way before the SHTF we would be hard pressed to get there. If you billionaire rich your good, but thats about it.

originally posted by: Metallicus
Nationalizing healthcare makes it a limited resource which means it will be denied by the Socialists in charge to whomever they feel is unworthy. I am happy to have a choice to go where I please for the care I need. I don’t need insurance I need healthcare.

There is a limited capacity in US health care system as well. Markets don't magically make resources unlimited and are often worse at dealing with crises situations.

a reply to: ScepticScot

Yep its true for ANY healthcare system regardless of how the care is paid for.

People forget its not just a bed:

Doctors
Nurses (2 patients to one nurse for ICU's in California)
Respiratory Therapists
Aids, Clerks, lab techs, radiology tech etc etc

Equipment both disposable and non

TO give you an idea my hospital has independent union that represents the Registered Nurses. We number just over 4000. Not counting the MD's the hospital employs an additional 10000 or so.

You need all of it to make it work.

a reply to: JAGStorm

Okay.... so it's time to PANIC!!!!
Pull your money out of the stock markets.
Hit the grocers and clear them out of canned foods and powdered milk.
Call your boss and tell him you are talking a two month vacation.
Pull out the camping gear and get lost in the forest.
Whatever...

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: JAGStorm

Okay.... so it's time to PANIC!!!!
Pull your money out of the stock markets.
Hit the grocers and clear them out of canned foods and powdered milk.
Call your boss and tell him you are talking a two month vacation.
Pull out the camping gear and get lost in the forest.
Whatever...

It seems that in every thread someone throws out that PANIC move

It really does not seem like anybody is panicking. Having a conversation? Check, Maybe re-evaluating our normal emergency preparations? Check

a reply to: FredT

It seems that in every thread someone throws out that PANIC move

You forgot to mention the other weird thing people throw out: "oh you're worried about Coronavirus but not the flu?"

Heck ya I'm worried about both, especially if I catch one and then the other. I'd really prefer to not get either. Flu season has been especially bad in our area and is not quite over yet.

a reply to: FredT

And what staff is going to show up?

With such a long incubation period in a hospital, you'd have to figure even with universal precautions that a percentage of staff gets it, another percentage just stays home.

a reply to: DBCowboy

And what staff is going to show up?

People will show up, just like firefighters and police. There are people willing to risk their lives to help others.
I hope now that we know this virus is very contagious that our people have the proper gear. I think that was a problem in China when this started. The medical staff were wearing bags and were not as protected as they should have been.

originally posted by: rickymouse
Someone already brought that up and I had taken info from early in the news about it killing kids, which wound up not being true. I guess back a month ago they were generalizing it with other coronaviruses but it is not the same from what I have read after someone here informed me that I was wrong about that already. I did a second post admitting my mistake already.

Actually, the picture I saw being circulated with people yelling about how horrible this thing is killing children, it turned out they had been killed by carbon monoxide.

a reply to: DBCowboy

If history tells us anything, most of them will show up and keep showing up until they can't walk anymore and we have to try and find a bed for them too.

That's first-responders and healthcare workers in America, my friend.

a reply to: FredT

Lol... how's the stock markets doing today??

So, what should we do? Take more money from those poor low wage workers I mentioned earlier? You know, the ones who ain't going to the doctors or missing work unless they are half dead because they just cant afford to so they are at work sneezing and sniffling while they throw together your big mac?
People are horrified at the thought that they might not try to save the critically ill senior citizen in an emergency situation, but how many people needlessly die every year because they are priced out of our healthcare system?
We ration healthcare already..