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Bernie praised bread lines in socialist/communist countries as "a good thing"

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posted on Feb, 24 2020 @ 10:09 AM
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Funny Sanders/AOC Meme: twitter.com...




posted on Feb, 24 2020 @ 10:10 AM
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originally posted by: The2Billies

originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
The #1 food stamp item is soda. Most of the stuff bought with food assistance is junk food so Bernie is on to something. Get rid of food stamps and go to military style MRE's. Basic need met. Don't like it then don't eat it. Take it or leave it. Willing to bet most would leave it alone.


So you agree "bread lines" which means basic food items, are a good thing like Bernie said.
The phrase means, people get in line to get basic food items and basic clothing needs, etc.

I visited East Berlin several times while it was communist. (military and families with their military member were allowed to travel freely in East Berlin as per a treaty). What I saw was people standing in line for strawberries, a line that was more than block long to get a handful. I saw a Black Friday type line to get blue jeans, not designer jeans, just ordinary jeans. It was my personal philosophy not to get into any "bread line" for anything because the people there were highly rationed these items. Bread lines are not just bread, they are in season foods, sometimes even other basics people needed to cook, and many clothing items that they were only allowed one a time and stand in hours long lines for.

You implied you think a line for basic foods is good because it motivates people to go in the military. Really? I got to see how the communist military lived, their food was also scarce and bland, but did meet basic calorie needs even if stale or they ate the same things over and over.

Bernie spent time in Russia and Cuba, and KNEW "bread lines" means basic food items.

Now that you know what a "bread line" is, do you still think it is a good thing? Are you excited about spending a several hours long line to get basic food items, and basic clothing items?



We don't need food lines. If people are really that desperate for food sure, they can get MRE's delivered to their house or pick them up. My point was we don't have a hunger problem in the US. We have a problem of people abusing social programs where soft drinks are the #1 item they desire. No. Drink water and eat a MRE. No need to join the military either. But the number of people on food assistance would fall off a cliff. People are not starving to death in the US.



posted on Feb, 24 2020 @ 10:11 AM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: The2Billies

It's a good thing if you are starving and standing in line!

"Although approximately one out of six Americans experiences food insecurity today, there is a more than adequate amount of food available. Hunger in America can be solved."

ampleharvest.org...


That is complete bull#. Do you ever see people walking around the US bone skinny with a hoard of flies hovering around them? Nobody is starving in this country, unless they are anorexic. Even if you don't have money there are food stamps and food banks.

What I observe is a bunch of overweight people on food stamps and people driving up to the food banks to get free food in better cars then I am driving and I work and provide my families food. And dont tell me people on welfare are fat because healthy food is expensive when their lazy asses are buying there groceries at the nearest gas station with 3-5x markup.



posted on Feb, 24 2020 @ 10:24 AM
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The dude had his honeymoon in Russia during the cold war...

It's gonna be interesting to see how leftists spin his communistic background into something positive. Especially when he's got campaign managers talking about putting conservatives in "reducation camps".

Getting a bad feeling from these basement dwelling neck beards.



posted on Feb, 24 2020 @ 10:40 AM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

People with EBT cards eat far better then me and I work full time. Stop pretending we need socialism when we already have it and don't need anymore.

The poor and lazy are taken care of here



posted on Feb, 24 2020 @ 10:44 AM
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If Bernie gets the nomination I think it will split the party (or possibly completely destroy it). One of my coworkers and I were discussing this last week. He is more involved in the democratic party than I am. He actually volunteers at functions and has a breakfast meeting every week with the democratic leadership in our city. He says folks there are discussing the draw to Bernie's ideals and how it's happening. The younger college folks are all on board with Bernie and his message while the older (like he and I) folks are most certainly not. He is retired military and we are both co-founders of our company. There is definitely a split right now at the local level on the socialists ideals.

We have both come to the same conclusion, if Bernie is selected as the nominee, we will vote Trump. Although I'm not sure any of the other candidates on the democratic ticket are a better choice against Trump.



posted on Feb, 24 2020 @ 10:50 AM
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Bernie doesn't concern me. What concerns me are all these people voting for him. Is there that many losers out there that they feel they need daddy to wipe their bottom and lead them by the hand?



posted on Feb, 24 2020 @ 10:54 AM
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originally posted by: lakenheath24
Bernie doesn't concern me. What concerns me are all these people voting for him. Is there that many losers out there that they feel they need daddy to wipe their bottom and lead them by the hand?


Yes



posted on Feb, 24 2020 @ 11:14 AM
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The Protocols of the Learned Zionist Elders lays it out also... Communism went underground 60yrs ago and reared its ugly head gradually to where we are now. a reply to: seeker1963



posted on Feb, 24 2020 @ 11:15 AM
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Yes...a reply to: lakenheath24



posted on Feb, 24 2020 @ 11:57 AM
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originally posted by: Stupidsecrets

originally posted by: The2Billies

originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
The #1 food stamp item is soda. Most of the stuff bought with food assistance is junk food so Bernie is on to something. Get rid of food stamps and go to military style MRE's. Basic need met. Don't like it then don't eat it. Take it or leave it. Willing to bet most would leave it alone.


So you agree "bread lines" which means basic food items, are a good thing like Bernie said.
The phrase means, people get in line to get basic food items and basic clothing needs, etc.

I visited East Berlin several times while it was communist. (military and families with their military member were allowed to travel freely in East Berlin as per a treaty). What I saw was people standing in line for strawberries, a line that was more than block long to get a handful. I saw a Black Friday type line to get blue jeans, not designer jeans, just ordinary jeans. It was my personal philosophy not to get into any "bread line" for anything because the people there were highly rationed these items. Bread lines are not just bread, they are in season foods, sometimes even other basics people needed to cook, and many clothing items that they were only allowed one a time and stand in hours long lines for.

You implied you think a line for basic foods is good because it motivates people to go in the military. Really? I got to see how the communist military lived, their food was also scarce and bland, but did meet basic calorie needs even if stale or they ate the same things over and over.

Bernie spent time in Russia and Cuba, and KNEW "bread lines" means basic food items.

Now that you know what a "bread line" is, do you still think it is a good thing? Are you excited about spending a several hours long line to get basic food items, and basic clothing items?



We don't need food lines. If people are really that desperate for food sure, they can get MRE's delivered to their house or pick them up. My point was we don't have a hunger problem in the US. We have a problem of people abusing social programs where soft drinks are the #1 item they desire. No. Drink water and eat a MRE. No need to join the military either. But the number of people on food assistance would fall off a cliff. People are not starving to death in the US.


So does your comment mean you oppose socialism?

If Bernie gets his way, there will be basic needs shortages, that is the way socialism works. The government takes over food production which works the way everything that is run by the government does. Bureaucrats will "run" farms in the usual totally inefficient manner that all government programs work.

So if Bernie gets his way and he thinks food shortages are a good thing, that would most likely happen if he or a socialist were President - and then people will starve - that's what happens when the rich are sucked dry and made poor, the poor get poorer - and everyone is equally poor - then there is no one left to pay for the free healthcare, free college, free anything. Because socialism has used up all the money and made everyone equally poor with basic items rationed. Just like Venezuela.



posted on Feb, 24 2020 @ 12:00 PM
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originally posted by: JAY1980
The dude had his honeymoon in Russia during the cold war...

It's gonna be interesting to see how leftists spin his communistic background into something positive. Especially when he's got campaign managers talking about putting conservatives in "re-education camps".

Getting a bad feeling from these basement dwelling neck beards.


Yep the "reeducation camps" are basically gulags designed to punish "incorrect thinking".

It is frightening that one of Bernies leading campaign workers openly said the US needs "re-education camps."



posted on Feb, 24 2020 @ 12:01 PM
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originally posted by: MRinder

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: The2Billies

It's a good thing if you are starving and standing in line!

"Although approximately one out of six Americans experiences food insecurity today, there is a more than adequate amount of food available. Hunger in America can be solved."

ampleharvest.org...


That is complete bull#. Do you ever see people walking around the US bone skinny with a hoard of flies hovering around them? Nobody is starving in this country, unless they are anorexic. Even if you don't have money there are food stamps and food banks.

What I observe is a bunch of overweight people on food stamps and people driving up to the food banks to get free food in better cars then I am driving and I work and provide my families food. And dont tell me people on welfare are fat because healthy food is expensive when their lazy asses are buying there groceries at the nearest gas station with 3-5x markup.


I said people in East Germany, where I visited 6 different times, people were starving - NOT US soldiers.

The EAST GERMANS were standing in those lines, the EAST GERMAN soldiers were poorly fed, enough calories, but not very palatable, or the same cheap soups/stews every day.


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posted on Feb, 24 2020 @ 12:10 PM
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originally posted by: MRinder
originally posted by: Stupidsecrets

For those of you who mis-read my post: I will bold items your first reading missed, I also inserted the bolded, italic, underlined ( ) to aid you further in getting the meaning of what I wrote.


I visited East Berlin several times while it was communist. (military and families with their military member were allowed to travel freely in East Berlin as per a treaty). What I saw (happening to East German Citizens) was people standing in line for strawberries, a line that was more than block long to get a handful. I saw a Black Friday type line to get blue jeans, not designer jeans, just ordinary jeans. It was my personal philosophy not to get into any "bread line" for anything because the people there were highly rationed these items. Bread lines are not just bread, they are in season foods, sometimes even other basics people needed to cook. I also saw many clothing items that they were only allowed one a time and stood in hours long lines for - that was a "bread line".

You implied you think a line for basic foods is good because it motivates people to go in the military. Really? I got to see how the communist military lived, their food was also scarce and bland, but did meet basic calorie needs even if stale or they ate the same things over and over.



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posted on Feb, 24 2020 @ 12:17 PM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: The2Billies

It's a good thing if you are starving and standing in line!

"Although approximately one out of six Americans experiences food insecurity today, there is a more than adequate amount of food available. Hunger in America can be solved."

ampleharvest.org...


You do know that Bernie Sanders meant that it is a good thing that ALL citizens of a country have to stand in line for basic food items and basic needs.

You agree that it is a good thing that everyone in the US should have to stand in line to get basic food needs met and to get basic needs like even a cheap pair of jeans.

Interesting.



posted on Feb, 24 2020 @ 12:22 PM
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originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: The2Billies


It is clear that Sanders wants to morph the US into at a minimum a socialist country. In my opinion the US won't do any better than Venezuela. I don't want a President who thinks bread lines are good because everyone is equally poor. That is what happened in Venezuela.


Not exactly. Venezuela is a complex situation and just blaming socialism is lazy.


I have a first generation legal immigrant family member who fled Venezuela. This relative has brothers and sisters still living in Venezuela. They put the blame squarely on socialism, which requires totalitarian and authoritarian methods, to FORCE people to give most of their money to the government.

Which in the end runs out of money altogether once the rich and middle class are sucked dry. This was exactly what Bernie was praising - everyone being equally poor and having to stand in line to get basic needs met.

I think my "in-law" family member and his family who still live in Venezuela know far better how Socialism was the root cause.



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posted on Feb, 24 2020 @ 12:25 PM
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a reply to: The2Billies
It will be interesting to see the dnc candidates asked about the crisis in Venezuela and how their proposed ideas intersect with such.





posted on Feb, 24 2020 @ 12:37 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: The2Billies

*shakes head*

What can anyone say?

The individual right to self-determine is a fundamental foundation of our society, our culture, our heritage.

The US Constitution would not allow this, this, Bernies platforms are the very antithesis of our Constitution.



You mean the constitution that Obama said was outdated?
www.americanthinker.com...

You mean the constitution that progressive/liberals say needs rewriting?
www.thenewamerican.com...
www.npr.org...

I think you do mean that constitution.

I think we agree. This does not bode well for my children and grandchildren that the Democratic Party is moving in this direction.



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posted on Feb, 24 2020 @ 12:39 PM
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Isn't it interesting how the conversation shifts from what do people want when we discuss capitalism to what nobody really needs when we talk about socialism.

People seek to try to figure out what others want and how to supply it in capitalist markets, but with socialist societies, TPTB tell you that you don't really need X, Y, or Z and then proceed to control what you will get.



posted on Feb, 24 2020 @ 12:40 PM
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originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: The2Billies



It is clear that Sanders wants to morph the US into at a minimum a socialist country. In my opinion the US won't do any better than Venezuela. I don't want a President who thinks bread lines are good because everyone is equally poor. That is what happened in Venezuela.

In my personal opinion, Sanders doesn't just want the US to be socialist, but eventually to become communist.

I agree
imo the dnc is in the toilet
they have no one, right now, to lead them out
there have to be decent democratic candidates, i wonder where they are





The days of Conservative versus ????? or visa versa are long over. It is Globalism versus Nationalism now. At least for the Western world or European nations.


It is also Socialism (Democratic Party)
versus
Democratic Republic (Republican Party)

The 2 parties could not be more different and representing totally and completely different visions what the USA should be and how it will treat its citizens.

Socialism requires a heavy hand to work because one has to force people to give up what they earned (taxes) and hand most of it over to the government.

The countries with "free" healthcare also have taxation rates of 60-70% of ones income. Before you scream, wrong.
The income taxes are close to what they are in the US.
However, they also have federal sales taxes that average around 25% (VAT). So everything everyone buys, 25% of what they pay goes to the government as a "hidden" tax.
They also have federal gas tax that averages round $3 per gallon, that is why gas in Europe varies between $5-$6 a gallon, taking more money from the citizen in another "hidden" tax.
Then federal property tax, yes their federal governments tax all property, more "hidden" tax money out of the pockets of citizens.
Then many other little "hidden" taxes that go to the federal government, like an annual tax on every TV in one's home, etc.

Socialism means forcibly (through taxation) taking away between 60-70% of ones income. It also requires a degree of authoritarianism and totalitarianism to work. It also does not trust the individual citizen to properly care for themselves, rather the government must regulate things like not eating properly. (i.e. regulating school lunches to the point they are very nutritious but also not palatable to children and mostly thrown in the trash - whilst confiscating home packed lunches - like we had under Obama) Socialism also does not trust private charities because they think the government is the only one who can properly help citizens in need.

Whereas a Democratic Republic trust their citizens enough to care for themselves and their families. The main point of a Democratic Republic is that it trusts people to take care of themselves and to do what the individual deems the best thing to do to care for themselves. Which is why deregulation is important to conservatives.
Stepping in to help when all other resources have failed through things like Medicaid, Welfare, WIC and a multitude of other government programs, and also relying on private charity to assist, as private charities are far more cost effective and have better results than any bloated government program.




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