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Sanders sends Democratic establishment into panic mode

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posted on Feb, 24 2020 @ 09:47 PM
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originally posted by: StoutBroux

originally posted by: pexx421

originally posted by: StoutBroux
Bernie is political suicide for the Dems, financial suicide for the USA and it's inhabitants. He has no clue how much EVERYTHING is going to cost though. Or where all the money is really coming from. Oh wait, yes he does know where the money is coming from. He want's to TAX anything and everything he can. And it will begin with the average Joe, by increasing taxes on incomes $29,000 and over, increased taxing of their 401k's, retirement and savings plans.

30 trillion in Medicare
1.5 trillion dollars for child care
cancel all student debt
make colleges and universities tuition free
His climate plan already is looming in at around half a trillion
2.5 billion for housing, "Bernie Sanders says ‘housing must be a right’ with $2.5 trillion plan, includes national rent control, community land trust, and housing assistance as an entitlement

Then some of his new taxes:
A house flipping tax -" a 25 percent "House Flipping tax" that would be levied against people who sell a non-owner occupied property at a profit within five years of purchase.
A 2 percent "Empty Homes tax" on the property value of vacant, owned homes

He will tax us to DEATH. Oh, and increased estate taxes.

But hopefully, even if the Dems control the house, they won't approve of all the proposed taxes.



So the question is, will bernies tax be more, or less, than the current taxes from those groups. I’m betting on less.


Well let's see here...…. He's not cutting any taxes, only adding taxes.


93 trillion green new deal
32 trillion Medicare for all

120 trillion dollars for all and the US government takes in about 4 trillion a year.

Any guesses?

I can say that the Electoral college the Democrats were so enthusiastically wanting to eliminate may now show them that a popular candidate isn't the best candidate.


No, that still doesn’t answer the question that I clearly asked. Are the taxes that Bernie plans to institute more than the costs I already pay for all of those mandatory things? If you can’t answer, don’t just make # up.




posted on Feb, 24 2020 @ 10:02 PM
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a reply to: pexx421

How is the Green New Deal a "mandatory thing"?

TheRedneck



posted on Feb, 24 2020 @ 10:23 PM
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It may not be. Doesn’t matter, throw it in there. Will the cost of all his added taxes be more, or less than the costs I currently pay for healthcare, medical costs, drugs, education, dental work, day care?



posted on Feb, 24 2020 @ 10:59 PM
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a reply to: pexx421

Probably a great deal more if you compare apples to apples.

Medicare is divided into four parts: A, B, C, and D. Part A covers in-patient hospital stays. You still have to pay a deductible and co-pays, and Medicare will then cover 80% of the cost, leaving you to pay 20%. There is no maximum out-of-pocket, and only in-patient stays are covered. Ambulance services, ER visits which do not result in admission, and outpatient services are not covered.

Part B covers normal medical care, such as doctor visits. There is a co-pay, there is a deductible, and after the deductible and co-pay, you still pay for part of the bill. Most people also pay for Part B, while Part A is free for lower-income participants.

Part D is the drug program. Premiums range from $13 up and only a portion of the medicine cost is covered.

In short, it's insurance, but it's not good insurance based on what most people consider good insurance. There is no benefit for corrective lenses, hearing, dental, etc.

Part C (which is what I have) is not government-managed. It is managed by private insurers. If a Medicare recipient chooses to use Part C, the insurance company they choose receives payment from the government of funds that would otherwise be allocated to the recipient's government insurance. Private insurers are required to provide at least the same coverage as the government, but they can provide more. For instance, my Part C plan costs me literally nothing additional and provides:
  • More benefits for hospital stays, including no deductible.
  • A low copay for all ambulatory services.
  • $10 copay for rehab services.
  • A maximum limit on hospital costs.
  • Corrective lenses allowance.
  • Hearing aids allowance for in-network.
  • Dental allowance.
  • Over-the-counter medical products free of charge up to a maximum (that includes aspirin and vitamins).
  • Prescription drugs benefit (mine are free if I mail-order, very cheap if I don't).
  • No copay for in-network doctor visits.
That's what private insurance can offer for the exact same cost as the government offers. Under Sander's Medicare For All plan, private insurance will be illegal, and that would include the Part C plans. Based on that, yes, I would say your total medical costs, including taxes for the program and out of pocket expenses, would be quite a bit more than they are today, and your coverage would be extremely limited.

TheRedneck



posted on Feb, 24 2020 @ 11:29 PM
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Hehe
Hardballs matthews had to personally apologize on air to bernie after comparing his win to nazis.
Lol
Stupid msnbc
Watching them kiss bernies socialist butt will be hillaryous



posted on Feb, 24 2020 @ 11:31 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
Bernie is politically dense to go and praise Castro. He should forget Castro. So what he did some good in education. Last night he just lost Florida running his mouth on 60 minutes about the good Castro has done. FORGET THAT

That is a political loser.




Florida Dems in uproar after Sanders’ Cuba comments



“Donald Trump wins Florida if Bernie is our nominee,” said one state legislator.

www.politico.com...

He lost the race with that one.
Castro eh comrades?



posted on Feb, 25 2020 @ 01:00 AM
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He's the best thing for the Democrat party.... just flush that turd in 2020 and start over.



posted on Feb, 25 2020 @ 01:10 AM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: Willtell
Bernie is politically dense to go and praise Castro. He should forget Castro. So what he did some good in education. Last night he just lost Florida running his mouth on 60 minutes about the good Castro has done. FORGET THAT

That is a political loser.




Florida Dems in uproar after Sanders’ Cuba comments



“Donald Trump wins Florida if Bernie is our nominee,” said one state legislator.

www.politico.com...

He lost the race with that one.
Castro eh comrades?

At least Bernie Sanders is transparent. We know where he stands by current and past positive comments about Communism.

Bernie has endorsed Communism His Entire Life: www.nbcnews.com...



posted on Feb, 25 2020 @ 02:34 AM
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a reply to: FlyingFox

eh bloomberg would the dems golden goose , not because hes an effective candidate mind you but because hes funding his entire campaign him self . so say he jumps in like he has and some how wins at either a contested convention or by some fluke actually gets the needed delegates to win nomination. that then lets the dnc shift all its accumulated funds to senate and house races while getting to ignore funding the 2020 race as bloomberg has what 50ish billion?

so if it looks REALLY bad they can save the money for next election cycle or try to maintain grip on house and throw money at attempting to take the senate in a hope to stop and or lame duck trump for his 2nd term ,the trick is how they manage to get rid of bernie with out making his base loose it



posted on Feb, 25 2020 @ 07:40 AM
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a reply to: pexx421

How is it a better price when it is going to require massive tax increases and destroy the military by defunding it to pay fo rit?



posted on Feb, 25 2020 @ 08:20 AM
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a reply to: carewemust

Bernie loves castro........
what a turd

he will sell out again
he is simply an old grifter



posted on Feb, 25 2020 @ 08:22 AM
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a reply to: Lumenari

Trump will get his ass handed to him if Bernie gets the nom. The orange sphincter wouldn't be president right now if he had been the nom in 2016



posted on Feb, 25 2020 @ 08:52 AM
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originally posted by: richapau
a reply to: Lumenari

Trump will get his ass handed to him if Bernie gets the nom. The orange sphincter wouldn't be president right now if he had been the nom in 2016

ahahahaha
ahahahaha
wait
wait
ahahahahaha
so "castro is good" bernie is not only going to win, but hand trump his ass?
ahahahaha
www.cnn.com...
even cnn says the commie loving socialist has trouble



"It's not just that he'd lose the presidency, it's that he'd put our candidates at risk," said Rep. Scott Peters of California




Sen. Bob Menendez of New Jersey said "there's no question" Sanders will "create a real challenge for down ballot candidates" if he's the Democratic nominee.




Several Democratic presidential campaigns agree with the premise that Sanders' candidacy is bad for the party, but that's where the agreement ends.




"The striking issue is health care," said Rep. Peters of California. "Now comes Bernie Sanders, [saying] we're going to take away health care from 140 million people, and we're going to substitute it with some untested, unknown plan. He's talking about Denmark. We don't live in Denmark."

lol
he can't even get the support from his own party that he needs
lol

the funny part is he will sell you out again and leave you holding the bag
just like last time

lol
ahahahahaha



posted on Feb, 25 2020 @ 03:10 PM
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The scared Dems seem to be going for Bloomberg.
Biden has one last chance in SC Saturday. If he flubs and Bernie wins SC there is going to be an earthquake and Bloomberg and some Dems will try to get Biden to drop out.


It’s a bad choice the Democrats have. This election has some of the weakest candidates in recent political history. This motley Dem crew against this horrible president is a terrible choice for the American people.



posted on Feb, 25 2020 @ 03:12 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

Yeah who wants record wage growth where the middle class and the poor are seeing the biggest benefits. That's just terrible.



posted on Feb, 25 2020 @ 04:11 PM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Willtell

Yeah who wants record wage growth where the middle class and the poor are seeing the biggest benefits. That's just terrible.


Strangely, you’re right, but for the wrong reasons. Trump has absolutely nothing to do with the “record wage growth”. That was all due to the “push for 15” which caused amazon and Walmart, two of the nations largest employers, to double their wages, which in turn has pushed the bar up for everyone else as well.

And who was it who launched the push for 15?? That’s right. You all know his name!
Say it loud, say it proud! BERNIE SANDERS!!
Making poor working class folk more money before he even GETS the presidency! That’s winning.



posted on Feb, 25 2020 @ 04:39 PM
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a reply to: pexx421

Except the push for 15 has been going on for a long time, it was not until Trump took office and we had very high consumer confidence (because of Trump) that businesses felt safe doing it. So no, I am right, and for the right reasons.

And even if we remove the push for 15, which saw those sectors actually increase by 4-5%, those already making over $15 have seen tremendous wage growth.

Want to know the only group not seeing 3% plus growth? Top earners.

I love how everyone is clamoring to steal Trump's accomplishments.



posted on Feb, 25 2020 @ 05:42 PM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Strange. Because stock buybacks and lack of corporate material investment in productivity are not the actions of businesses feeling confident in the market. At any rate, I’m very interested in seeing this “tremendous growth”. When I started my current career field, the average starting pay was $25 an hour. From what I understand, that starting pay is still $25 an hour. Now, maybe at some places it’s $26 an hour, maybe, but it’s also been 6 years, and I don’t expect inflation has stood still in that time.

So, do we have any comparisons? Gas station attendants, are y’all starting wages tremendously higher than last years? How about nurses. Have the starting wages for rn’s gone up tremendously the last 3 years? Let’s look at the 2 largest industry sectors. Floor sales, I expect have gone up due to the fight for $15. How about truckers? They’re a large employment sector, at least for the next 5-10 years. Have truckers starting wages gone “tremendously higher!!’ In the last 4 years, or have they dropped?

I’d be very interested to know, thanks!



posted on Feb, 25 2020 @ 05:44 PM
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originally posted by: richapau
a reply to: Lumenari

Trump will get his ass handed to him if Bernie gets the nom. The orange sphincter wouldn't be president right now if he had been the nom in 2016

Is Bernie the only one who can beat Trump?

How much are you willing to sacrifice so every citizen and non-citizen in our country can have the "good quality of life" Bernie promises?



posted on Feb, 25 2020 @ 05:47 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: richapau
a reply to: Lumenari

Trump will get his ass handed to him if Bernie gets the nom. The orange sphincter wouldn't be president right now if he had been the nom in 2016

Is Bernie the only one who can beat Trump?

How much are you willing to sacrifice so every citizen and non-citizen in our country can have the "good quality of life" Bernie promises?


I’m willing to sacrifice about $2k a month in my taxes. Because that’s about how much those things he wants to nationalize currently cost me.



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