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Possible true source of covid 19

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posted on Feb, 23 2020 @ 01:14 PM
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1 Reference ATS disclaimer thread re medical topics

As of today it appears that some cases of covid19 are not related directly to Wuhan and who researchers are again looking for the true source.

This thread posits the theory that a British citizen may have been patient zero , circa 1st December 2019. That c19 has spread direct from here to Wuhan and here to other parts of the world . Hence the unrelated to China clusters .There was early theory January referencing a tourism visit by managers from the wuhan animal market to UK , Warwickshire at the end of November 2019.

Assuming the Chinese visitors used coach trips the usual way they and Japanese do, frequently in England, they'd have been coach tripping along the way to bourton on the water , Gloucestershire as well as Warwick castle , Warwickshire en route to the usual stops. Bourton on the water is a particular UK destination which is very popular and well known for high volume Chinese tourist traffic.

Now an animal market in crowded China is a good place for zoonotic pathogen c19 to spread from or take hold of. But sick animals are not good business and hence rare or routinely excluded or euthanised.
Exotic animals maybe, but dogs and cats are just as likely breeders or victims of the base model Corona viruses which are spread worldwide. They like us and several mammalians do not have prepared antibodies to C19 which could perform that leap to human transmission from anywhere , even a pet rabbit.
Bats, snakes , commercial zoo trade environments in exotic regions may typically fit ebola epidemiology and aetiology but not necessarily coronaviruses .
Commercial trade in animals is health focussed and is not economically conducive to breeding novel viruses even in china anymore.

But .

What it takes to allow a novel zoonotic pandemic pathogen to create itself is more akin to deliberate or extreme reckless behaviour with regard to animal health. And a domestic environment where human animal livingspaces are shared helps . Even the most secretized bioweapons labs may have trouble creating those conditions for lack of human subjects. But a domestic environment with compromised animal and human hosts fit the bill, again.
Novel diseases and known zoonoses are commonly (rarely) prepared for bioterrorism or biocriminal reasons, sometimes for commission of undetected murders (, see eg ncbi documents , known studies , Caro, schultzer etc . ) Using suitable vectors , eg rabbits , which can collect via assisted compromise zoonoses from the natural environment , and infected microbiological cultures harvested from eg skin legions and wounds , unbalanced digestive tract environments eg diahorea urine , comprising bacteria and fungal strains , mycoplasmas both airborne and in colonies , and of course viruses , like coronaviruses.
So many animal vectored pathogens are very simply available with a purposeful attempt at deliberate animal compromise , diversifying into such pleasantries as necrotising fascitis , rabies , botulism , anthrax tularemia ,etc.
Rabbits are good hosts for all because they can live with chronic infections which would shortly kill other animals . A bit like dogs and pigs can eat human solids. But we can't.
Cutting the story short, these conditions existed . Until the rabbit was euthanised at stow vets on 29 th November and cremated 30 th November 2019.
Several people were I'll with exactly correlating symptoms c19. Jokes were made about the next pandemic at the time. This rabbit was then subject of a suspected cover-up paid for with bribery from a known criminal network as it was intended for deliberate targeted attack , part of anti disruption campaigning it took 4 months in development phase beginning with bloodless anal impaction ending with chronic and eventually severe acute infection including true diahorea. Overseen by bsc.chem candidate.
It , rabbit , Vector of multiple zoonotic pathogens by day 90 also infected dog X 1 , with resultant tremorgenic mycotoxicosis, as byproducts of open conditions and facilitated airborne and contact transmission direct from source plus multiple pathogen presence. Presence of left side tremors in human host during pneumonia phase too.
Vets failed to notify apha or phe but notified RSPCA . Avoided links group disclosure , or confidence breach re client given antibiotics and steroid treatments off original missed nai for uninary tract infection. Phe independently notified 11/19@porton.
The several cases of human ill health clustered on rabbit , affected younger hosts less, adult hosts worse . Caused pnumonia after 3-5days , amoxycillin effective taken from day 8 or 9.
Assumed atypical pnumonia from Mycoplasma contamination with accompanying to ringworm . Spread to others immediate and likely via vector associated shopworkers in bourton to Chinese tourist bus , potentially creating Wuhan rapid spread epicentre post excursive shared in closed coach environment prior to return flight.
Add , localised spread much slower than Chinese transmission rate , undetected but effective spread from and within UK to other regions eg Italy , hence non china related cases.

In this theory most fact aspects exactly fit the hypothesis , the source vector probabilities, the proximity to global tourism especially chinese , the timescale from point zero, Chech records , the early circumstancial albeit hearsay evidence eg Warwickshire trip from wuhan , the readiness of receiving environments eg Wuhan animal market managers , further animal hosts , china itself being populous . Therefore sudden case acceleration in china, identifies potential source point circa December 1st and slower spread from source identifies (possible) reason for cases not linked to China. NHS and phe and police and police staff and 2 districts plus ath were alerted but some case managed to avoid detection ref eg TCS likely on purpose. NHS denied notifiables failed microbiology reports or eg dermatology consultantcy Vs ringworm type mycology. Reinfected fungal zoonosis via bloods test, denied zoonoses associations avoiding HSE involvements . Altered entries a and e Nov 19 , etc. This needs proper investigators indicating who ath , mi stations etc pls. PSDs compromised . No riddor report made but deemed required. Proceeded per directions .
There s a chain of evidence giving this a good chance of being relevant it is not a hoax .

edit on 23-2-2020 by DoctorBluechip because: (no reason given)




posted on Feb, 23 2020 @ 02:27 PM
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What a grammatical mess that was - was it done for effect? Why not lay it out in normal language, like most posters here, without odd words and phrasing??



posted on Feb, 23 2020 @ 02:27 PM
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Of course it was something a Brit spread lol. We're already blamed for the world's problems why not add this lol.



posted on Feb, 23 2020 @ 02:51 PM
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a reply to: DoctorBluechip

I live in Warwickshire, 9 miles from Warwick and 25 miles from Bourton-on-the-Water.

If you seriously think that this area is the source of the Coronavirus , then why has not one single case been identified in either Warwickshire or Gloucestershire ?



posted on Feb, 23 2020 @ 03:18 PM
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Naw. I do not think that this virus came from England. Although some research facilities in Canada and America were working on a virus just like the one in China, and they may have been working with a College in England if I remember correctly.

But if it did spread from a research center there, it was probably accidental, caused by inappropriate protection measures, not purposely. I doubt if there is a conspiracy here other than maybe a coverup of mistakes made.

If the virus matches, then there could have been someone who sold the virus to some company in China, or their medical organization, sneaking it out of the lab. That does not mean there was an intentional intent to weaponize it though.

I do not know what happened, maybe someday they will figure out what happened, but they may also never figure out what happened.
edit on 23-2-2020 by rickymouse because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 23 2020 @ 03:29 PM
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It appears that it didn't start in the market in Wuhan, but was brought there from somewhere outside, and it spread through there like a fire through grassland. It also started much earlier than they originally said.


The study believes that patient zero transmitted the virus to workers or sellers at the Huanan seafood market. The crowded market facilitated the further transmission of the virus to buyers, which caused a wider spread in early December 2019.

According to the researchers, the new coronavirus experienced two sudden population expansions, including one on January 6, 2020, which was related to the Chinese New Year's Day holiday.

An earlier expansion occurred on December 8, implying human-to-human transmission may have started in early December or late November, and then accelerated when it reached the Huanan seafood market.

www.globaltimes.cn...



posted on Feb, 23 2020 @ 03:30 PM
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a reply to: alldaylong

Simple answer , because no one here is being routinely tested for c19.

C19 initially could pass for influenza , plus pnumonia is a bacterial infection , as in pnumonia symptoms are caused by the secondary bacterial infections allowed to grow unchecked by initial lung cell damage from the ongoing viral infection .
Pnumonia (chest infection) responds to treatment with antibiotics eg penicillin . People presenting with c19 to local may be treated and recover as having suspected flu , as they're not tested for that either



posted on Feb, 23 2020 @ 03:30 PM
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First, I'd like to say that I am not a doom porn advocate, and you can access my history here, on this board, to see that. However, I have posted about a "supposed" Chinese intellgence officer giving a run down of what this was, and how it was spread. No one would want to believe what he has written. Having said this, though, Dr. Francis Boyle's recent explanations are eerily similar.

What I'm really getting out here is if we don't know, really, what this "virus" is, how it is spread, if it's a bioweapon that is inescapable, then we cannot ultimately prepare in any real way. And that's just assuming that any preparation is possible, for what I pose for consideration is there is no preparation possible, if the worst scenario is true.

I pose this, really, because trying to nail down a "Patient 0," or a specific country, just spreads more hatred, blame, mass panic. And truly, the whole thing may have simply been an accident......though even if it were, accidents are bound to happen when folks are cooking up killer microorganisms. We are toying with a nature of things that was never meant to be toyed with.
regards and true hopes that everyone stays safe and survives,
tetra50



posted on Feb, 23 2020 @ 03:34 PM
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originally posted by: Lazarus Short
What a grammatical mess that was - was it done for effect? Why not lay it out in normal language, like most posters here, without odd words and phrasing??


I got halfway down and gave up. I was hoping to scroll down in the comments and find a TLDR (too long dont read) explanation for the OP.

Anyone got one?



posted on Feb, 23 2020 @ 03:43 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

Thank you that is as was understood with.link. the timescale fits exactly . If there indeed is some qualifiable link with UK tourism @ the warwickshire reference ( this site ?) ,
And any such assertion of travel from Wuhan to warwickshire and back corresponds with the date ' end of November , beginning of December ,
Then we may very well have a case re the true source. Which would mean notification of some official sort asap pls



posted on Feb, 23 2020 @ 03:49 PM
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originally posted by: Dwoodward85
Of course it was something a Brit spread lol. We're already blamed for the world's problems why not add this lol.


Please, we all know the Americans are to blame for the world's problems and of course COVID-19/sarc.

Most people these days have never even heard of Britain.

We only blame you for losing your own balls to your oppressive government of which the American badasses (my forefathers) denied access to!

Anyways back on topic...the OP didnt leave a source.



posted on Feb, 23 2020 @ 03:56 PM
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originally posted by: DoctorBluechip
a reply to: alldaylong


Pnumonia (chest infection) responds to treatment with antibiotics eg penicillin . People presenting with c19 to local may be treated and recover as having suspected flu , as they're not tested for that either




Penicillin is an antibiotic.

Antibiotics are only effective against bacterial infections; they are completely ineffective against viral infections.

The Coronavirus Covid-19, as its name implies, is a viral infection agent; penicillin would have no effect against Covid-19.

Confusion may lie in the fact that some forms of pneumonia are viral-based, while others are bacterial.

“Pneumonia” is more a description of a lung condition resulting from an infection, or injury, than an identification of a particular disease.
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posted on Feb, 23 2020 @ 03:58 PM
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Too much compression of words in your post. I got less than half way but I got the idea behind it.


I really think that this was a man-made virus that was in a lab, perhaps in the US or Canada, that was stolen and released by accident.

Right at the very beginning, not more than a week in, we were all told by news sources of chinese spies who infiltrated and stole many vials from various labs. A couple were captured, a couple were not. If you lay down only the facts (at least what we know as facts) and leave out every bit of speculation, it seems to point towards that or something very close.

Isn't it odd that at the same time that Chinese nationalist stole vials with biochemical contents right before this virus caught hold?

Isn't it odd that what we are told is ground zero actually houses a lab that's used to store and test such deadly potential?

Isn't it odd that China is trying to keep this under cover so much that even US citizens 'stuck' there haven't even been kicked out of the country or allowed to be released from quarantine to go back to the US?


Some are speculating that the virus is man made and they're still trying to find the true ground zero. I say we already know.... No need for much speculation when all the signs were thrown out right in front of us from the start.


We made it - China stole it - Virus containment obviously failed for some reason, likely stupidity - China was unable to contain the contamination - We're all screwed.....


That's my thought



posted on Feb, 23 2020 @ 04:07 PM
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originally posted by: StallionDuck
Too much compression of words in your post. I got less than half way but I got the idea behind it.


I really think that this was a man-made virus that was in a lab, perhaps in the US or Canada, that was stolen and released by accident.

Right at the very beginning, not more than a week in, we were all told by news sources of chinese spies who infiltrated and stole many vials from various labs. A couple were captured, a couple were not. If you lay down only the facts (at least what we know as facts) and leave out every bit of speculation, it seems to point towards that or something very close.

Isn't it odd that at the same time that Chinese nationalist stole vials with biochemical contents right before this virus caught hold?

Isn't it odd that what we are told is ground zero actually houses a lab that's used to store and test such deadly potential?

Isn't it odd that China is trying to keep this under cover so much that even US citizens 'stuck' there haven't even been kicked out of the country or allowed to be released from quarantine to go back to the US?


Some are speculating that the virus is man made and they're still trying to find the true ground zero. I say we already know.... No need for much speculation when all the signs were thrown out right in front of us from the start.


We made it - China stole it - Virus containment obviously failed for some reason, likely stupidity - China was unable to contain the contamination - We're all screwed.....


That's my thought


What I'masayin is ......we prob don't and won't really know who did what to whom, when , where, etc. All that speculation just fuels more spitfire kneejerk reactions, which is what TPTB want.....

Keep your head, keep cool, and stop looking for the source of "blame," is my position. Do with that what you will, but long ago on this site, we all realized we were in a "spelled" matrix environment, and we cannot then overlook our responsibilities in pushing a particular agenda. So why don't we err on the side of caution, and advise all who read and pay attention, to NOT judge, as we don't really know, and judging only creates an eclipse of civilized behavior and gives those who try for even more controls in a totally controlled environ, the reason to poste-haste, make that true?
Regards, and stay safe,
tetra50



posted on Feb, 23 2020 @ 04:07 PM
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a reply to: DoctorBluechip

BULL-SHYTE !!

NO cases in Gloucestershire, Warwick castle and/or Warwickshire, unlike your false claim.
NONE !

For personal and/or other reasons, you are trying to get the blame off China, where, sorry but, that is where it LAYS.

The UK is not a totalitarian police state like China where this kind of information could be suppressed.

Furthermore, I point you to the following article where Chinese researchers published a paper identifying Chinese lab in Wuhan as the likely source of the coronavirus:

www.zerohedge.com...

QED


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posted on Feb, 23 2020 @ 04:13 PM
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a reply to: rickymouse

If it came from here then it's because of a first attempt production of randomised pathogens collected from the natural environment . The purpose aetiology intent being best described as amateur biocrime over against basic bioterrorism .




The describable conditions of vector animal condition s and treatment include initial antibiotic use and steroid assistance . Festering necrotic tissue , spread diahorea from cumulative digestive tract congestion , fungal sporing colonies and bacterial pustules , subcutaneous skin lesions .
Development period 90-120 days , open unsealed lab or conventional domestic conditions , randomised microbiological pre weaponisation cultures created presupposed to contain conventionally known strains of zoonoses, first attempt but extremely reckless and overlooking the possibility of novel virus results.

Id name of p " kaiju " t at proximity



posted on Feb, 23 2020 @ 04:54 PM
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a reply to: M5xaz

We re quite used to used to seeing unjustified speculation and aware of alleged attempts to politicise the situation from various quarters.

This is not here to play those games.

This thread regards a specific and real situation constituting the existence of a serious biohazard proximal to bourton on the water , a known Chinese tourist destination during the timescale of point source of c19 circa 1st December 19 .

As such the information contained is primarily for the world health organisation researchers or anyone with a serious interest in identifying the definitive source of c19. That must take place in despite of any attempted blockages . Given these facts and others not presently open sourced there are several good justifiable reasons to investigate and rule out this (ex) biohazard as the potential source : that is why it is here.



posted on Feb, 23 2020 @ 05:04 PM
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a reply to: DoctorBluechip

Neighbour you would have done a great service to yourself to have passed your post through Word or grammerly....

Please show evidence for what you are proposing, rather than speculation. I've seen the DNA data for COVID-19, and poked a bit at it in my spare time (I do bioinformatics as part of my job, and was bored). Nothing agrees with what you typed. But hey, I'm open minded, as long as you can back up your supposition, with data.



posted on Feb, 23 2020 @ 05:14 PM
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a reply to: DoctorBluechip

Made in china, simple as that.

The Chinese play fast and loose when it comes to industry regulations, except iPhones and iPads and iDon'tgiveacrap, that's perfectly hermetically sealed, viruses? they don't bat an eyelid.

They created it, as many other countries do, that's what porton down in the UK is for. The funny thing is the tin foil hat wearers claim it's from outer space. c'mon people hundreds of asteroids enter our atmosphere every year, why aren't we all dead yet?

According to the history channel it's aliens.



posted on Feb, 23 2020 @ 05:35 PM
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1 - Considering we're one of the biggest health tourist locations on the planet I don't think people have forgotten us. They may only give a monkeys about the free access to healthcare the moment they land and nothing else though.

2 - We didn't lose our balls mate, we've just got a generations that are to busy staring at their mobile phones or worrying about the latest episode of their favourite (scripted) reality tv shows to actually stand up for their rights. Your American badasses may have stood up against the British, although they did come running back for trade (but that's a debatable subject) the current American government is almost as oppressive as ours is over here more so in fact. The American forefathers were badasses not the current one.

Anyways back to the topic, China will push the blame on anyone other than themselves because they screwed up. We should stick a dome over the whole country and let them figure it out. Family or not, I think people should stop being allowed to come out of China until they have been symptom free for more than fourteen days.




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