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The Left is for more controls vs Right no gov at all and Free speech

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posted on Feb, 21 2020 @ 06:26 AM
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Right Wingers are getting a bad name because the left is redefining the phrase "Right wing actions" to deflect that their narrative is a win at any cost to get the Communist society rolling.

Now that is being exposed and is what are genuine Left wing actions. Yet, when a racist comes along they want to say 'right leaning' when they are always by definition Left because of the abuse of power innate with Racism and the desire for more gov constraints on that person the leftist thinks are a POS.

When we are being offered more gov is a dangerous thing throughout history.


Right wing means little to no government laws over the citizens. Right leaning means we prefer less laws that hinder us that are not absolutely necessary.
It is America's COTUS promise that Gov will not hinder the people,but that the people shall hinder the Gov.

But this below is the Communism side that the left wants to put on the Right and pretend the Commies aren't this way:
Left wing is represented in the totalitarian gov.Those Gov's are willing to commit atrocities to gain more power. Often they intend and do attempt to completely clean the proletariat of unwanted thoughts and certain clans of DNA. Hitler was after more Gov controls like our Lefties today because they are from the same cloth.


Here on ATS we are mostly moderates and lean to the left or right.

I am more of a lefty when it comes to the laws on the Environment but more of a Right leaning person over the Man made Global warming lies.

I am 100% for your right to speak freely and I also feel you should be allowed to live freely if you don't harm others. That is a Right leaning one.



I choose freedom for all and to love my neighbor. If we all agree to do this we won't need many laws passed to make us predominantly seeking happiness and building a nice world to live in for all.

I am right leaning on your right to do want you can do without harming others.


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posted on Feb, 21 2020 @ 06:29 AM
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originally posted by: Justoneman
Right wing means little to no government laws over the citizens.


That is patently false, both parties have grown government unceasingly. Libertarians want little to no government.



posted on Feb, 21 2020 @ 06:34 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Justoneman
Right wing means little to no government laws over the citizens.


That is patently false, both parties have grown government unceasingly. Libertarians want little to no government.


Oh don't misunderstand that part.


I don't give them a pass in my years of posting my good man. I agree with that statement about growing the gov (See my RINO's comments over the years here). Right wing however means anarchist lifestyles.



posted on Feb, 21 2020 @ 06:35 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Justoneman
Right wing means little to no government laws over the citizens.


That is patently false, both parties have grown government unceasingly. Libertarians want little to no government.


Its amazing how many republican fall for the used car salesman tactics of the republican party and actually believe the words coming out of their mouth.



posted on Feb, 21 2020 @ 06:37 AM
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originally posted by: interupt42

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Justoneman
Right wing means little to no government laws over the citizens.


That is patently false, both parties have grown government unceasingly. Libertarians want little to no government.


Its amazing how many republican fall for the used car salesman tactics of the republican party and actually believe the words coming out of their mouth.



Agreed. But it is bad on both sides of the aisle.

I am a Libertarian. Card carrying at one time.


Drain the swamp. Only a few R's can stay as far as I can tell NO D's. We need to start over and until people recognize any who are elected and stay are corrupt we won't get it done IMO.
Still people like me who lean Right wing (as in NO GOV AT ALL leaning) are getting the blame for Left wingers (totalitarianism) actions. IMO.
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posted on Feb, 21 2020 @ 06:39 AM
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So then you would consider Antifa to be a group of Right Wingers? I mean they are primarily anarchists.



posted on Feb, 21 2020 @ 06:39 AM
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left, right, left, right, left, right...

the totalitarian tip toe

both sides are a trap



posted on Feb, 21 2020 @ 06:40 AM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
So then you would consider Antifa to be a group of Right Wingers? I mean they are primarily anarchists.


They are the Brown shirts and are for MORE gov control on your speech are they not?

ETA

TITLE CHANGE

I want to make it clear.
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posted on Feb, 21 2020 @ 06:43 AM
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a reply to: Justoneman

As I said, their core is made up of anarchists. They don't want any government. Which is why they oppose people that want to use the government to oppress people.



posted on Feb, 21 2020 @ 06:44 AM
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originally posted by: wheresthebody
left, right, left, right, left, right...

the totalitarian tip toe

both sides are a trap


But did you catch that they are all leftist that want more control over you. Right leaning Libertarians want less control over you and to only have laws for necessary reasons like murder laws are.



posted on Feb, 21 2020 @ 06:46 AM
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originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: interupt42

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Justoneman
Right wing means little to no government laws over the citizens.


That is patently false, both parties have grown government unceasingly. Libertarians want little to no government.


Its amazing how many republican fall for the used car salesman tactics of the republican party and actually believe the words coming out of their mouth.



Agreed. But it is bad on both sides of the aisle.

.


Thats because both party are one in the same when it comes to action, just different in their sales tactic and rhetoric.

The democrats are dumb enough to want to give a corrupted govt more power and more money. The republicans are dumb enough to believe their party isnt doing the same.

Until conflict of interest becomes the only issue your party is focused on they are more than likely lying to you , stupid, or corrupted as fk.



posted on Feb, 21 2020 @ 06:46 AM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Justoneman

As I said, their core is made up of anarchists. They don't want any government. Which is why they oppose people that want to use the government to oppress people.


No they are for no Freedoms.

That is leftist. Using anarchy to get us to capitulate is the Playbook.



posted on Feb, 21 2020 @ 06:46 AM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

That may be true but the real roots of the American right is limited government. The right ideology is the same platform as the founding fathers. The left however is creeping more towards the 1920 socialism ideology which is antithetical to the founding of the US government. Honestly, the left in America has a identity crisis they don't know if they should embrace Americansim or Socialism. However, they are the bigger threat of the two big parties. They literally want to change what America stands for. Sure there are corrupt politicians on both side of the aisle, but at least the right is not towing a whole different ideology foreign to the American system.
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posted on Feb, 21 2020 @ 06:47 AM
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SPOT ON!


originally posted by: interupt42

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: interupt42

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Justoneman
Right wing means little to no government laws over the citizens.


That is patently false, both parties have grown government unceasingly. Libertarians want little to no government.


Its amazing how many republican fall for the used car salesman tactics of the republican party and actually believe the words coming out of their mouth.



Agreed. But it is bad on both sides of the aisle.

.


Thats because both party are one in the same when it comes to action, just different in their sales tactic and rhetoric.

The democrats are dumb enough to want to give a corrupted govt more power and more money. The republicans are dumb enough to believe their party isnt doing the same.

Until conflict of interest becomes the only issue your party is focused on they are more than likely lying to you , stupid, or corrupted as fk.





The purpose of this thread is to get our definitions ironed out and cut to the chase on where we are going as a country. We need common ground.

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posted on Feb, 21 2020 @ 06:48 AM
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a reply to: Justoneman

I understand how the divisions are currently defined, it's still a trap.



posted on Feb, 21 2020 @ 06:48 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Justoneman
Right wing means little to no government laws over the citizens.



Libertarians want little to no government.



"That is patently false". Libertarians want Limited government.



posted on Feb, 21 2020 @ 06:50 AM
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originally posted by: wheresthebody
a reply to: Justoneman

I understand how the divisions are currently defined, it's still a trap.



Agreed, we need to educate those around us to the facts. I am sure you try like most of us here do.



posted on Feb, 21 2020 @ 06:51 AM
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a reply to: Justoneman

Not true. They're for total freedom. To the point that they would love to be able to murder those they identify as Nazis with no legal repercussion.



posted on Feb, 21 2020 @ 06:51 AM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Justoneman

Not true. They're for total freedom. To the point that they would love to be able to murder those they identify as Nazis with no legal repercussion.

Then why do they protest free speech?

You know they do.



posted on Feb, 21 2020 @ 06:54 AM
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a reply to: Justoneman

They protest because they are forced to work within the confines of the law. Do you really think any of those tiki torch wielding fascists in Charlottesville would be left alive if there wasn't a police presence?




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